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Which news coming to highlight there was NO kuki Anglo war, how will this article shape. Wanted to here your opinion.
https://www.ifp.co.in/manipur/there-was-no-anglo-kuki-war-of-1917-1919-federation-of-haomee
https://www.morungexpress.com/four-naga-tribes-anglo-kuki-war-issue
http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=36..050823.aug23 KoubruNongpok ( talk) 04:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Haoreima, this page is on the rebellion/war as the case may be, but not about the name "Anglo-Kuki War". Any pertinent information about the rebellion itself is lackng. Given that, a huge section on the controversies regarding the name is WP:UNDUE. Can you please reduce this section to 3-4 lines? Note especially that none of the people you have cited here are historians.
If you fail to do this, I will be obliged to delete it and rewrite it in my own fashion. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Note all sources used for documenting history must be WP:HISTRS. Do not use web sites, newspapers, politician statements etc. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
== There was No Anglo kuki war 1917-1919. == Infozenith.
The Federation of Haomee on Tuesday stated that there was no Anglo-Kuki War, 1917-1919 in Manipur and that there is no country of Kuki in Manipur. It said the state government should punish those who make false history of the state. Speaking to the media on Tuesday at Federation of Haomee office located at Dewlahland, federation spokesperson Y Shyamkumar said that there was an incident of the Khongjai people supporting Chingakham Sanajaoba by paying a tax of Re 1 instead of Rs 3 while he was fighting against Churachand (King). here is a document of clarification from 12 Khongjai (who were arrested during battle) and it is mentioned by the chief commissioner of Assam submitted to the secretary to the government of India, foreign and political department, vide letter number 631P political department, branch, Shillong dated June 27, 1919, Shyamkumar said. The responsibility of creating war was imputed to Sanajaoba and he was sent to Andaman Nicobar as a prisoner, Shyamkumar added. Non-incident Anglo-Kuki War has a centenary stone pillar at Kuki Inn and there is a pillar with the name of Chief Minister N Biren at Asian village, Saikhul block too, the spokesperson of FoH said, adding that there is a stone pillar of the Anglo-Kuki war in every Kuki village.He asked which government gave them permission to construct the Anglo Kuki war gate at Leisang village, from Moirang to Churachandpur. It should be clarified by the state government to the public, Shyamkumar demanded. He also said that the Federation of Haomee had submitted a memorandum to Union Home Minister Amit Shah about the Anglo-Kuki war on October 15, 2019 who replied to the Federation of Haomee and addressed the chief secretary of Manipur to break down all stone pillars of Anglo-Kuki war. Even MP Leishemba Sanajaoba had clarified that there was no Anglo-Kuki War, Shyamkumar said and drew the attention of the chief minister to look into the matter and punish all who claim wrong history. Manipurinfo ( talk) 00:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
respected verifier of this Google authority please be noted that while verification to some mater pleased do study the matter i.e. in this pages what u have verified kuki are the inhabitants of Myanmar. Then how they are indian or manipuri. Please be noted that war of bomb that they fire to manipur which we still cannot sleep, many of our brothers sister are death,rape, torture, kills. Have not you heard what we manipuries suffer please do make sense. With regards
A public for His Goodness 103.226.184.242 ( talk) 18:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
This article needs serious verification before projecting it as war against British Raj in India (Anglo Kuki War in the lead section including infobox) while even Anglo Manipur War is being questionable as war or rebellion based on analysis of what relation in political authority did British had prior to 1891 over Manipur (princely state)
[1]" The prevailing traits of self-importance and self exalhation among the Thadous is understood when it is remembered that for long they comnposed the 4th levies of Manipur State and were allowed to do very much as they pleased with all among whom they took up their abode. At times their ambition have got the better of them and they broke out in open rebelllion in 1918-1919"
[2]" It has been asserted, that some of the principal chieftains of the southern or Kookee tribes, could raise a force of 8,000 men ; but this we may safely pronounce to be an exaggerationthe mutual distrust, which has been before - -alluded to as existing among them, is wholly incompatible with the unity of feeling by which such a force could alone be assembled. For purposes purely defensive, a body of from five to six hundred men might be collected ; but when -the limited extent of their cultivation, and the restlessness which characterises all savages, are considered, it is evident that even for self-defence, it is highly improbable, they could long be kept together. Small parties of from 10 to 30 men, have however frequently made incursions into the border villages along the line of frontier, and in Cachar, whole tracts of fertile country were, up to a very recent period, deserted,from an apprehension of these attacks. The plunder of.property is less the object of the marauders than the acquisition of heads, which are considered essential to the due performance of the funeral rites of their vjllage chieftains, and to obtain which, they will undertake long and difficult journeys,and remain concealed for days together in the jungle bordering on the different lines of communication, between distant villages ; they spring on the unwary traveller, decapitate him in an instant, and plunging into the forests, are far on their way home, before the murder becomes known in the village of the miserable victim
. [3]The Khongjai tribes of Kukis -This important tribe of kuki has only in comparatively recent times come under the rule of Manipur in its entirety.
Since the Khongjais came under Manipur,they do not form large hunting parties that they used to
All this historical books shows the dubious nature of exaggerate in using the term anglo kuki war by kuki historians while describing the rebellion against force recruitment of soldiers .The administrative power kuki village chief had were also not independent one. đ˛ ęŻęŻ¨ęŻęŻĽęŻŞ ęŻęŻĽ ęŻęŻĽęŻęŻęŻ (talk) 09:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Kautilya3 Also I was not trying to disrupt edit, this topic is full of controversy and the use of term Anglo Kuki War seems dubious none of the British records mentioned any war against Kuki. Here is what you have written yourself on Anglo-Manipur War talk page
Some newish editors started contesting whether it was a "war" or a "rebellion". It is not easy to make a decision. The Manipuri sources are pretty much unanimous in calling it "Anglo-Manipur War", a term that they made up themselves, while the British sources have used terms like "expedition" or "punitive expedition".
I see every kuki sources are also very unanimous in calling it "Anglo Kuki War which is a term they made up themselves while British sources used the term rebellion đ˛ ęŻęŻ¨ęŻęŻĽęŻŞ ęŻęŻĽ ęŻęŻĽęŻęŻęŻ (talk) 23:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
BL, AAC, IOR&PP, IOR/L/MIL/17/19/42: 1919: âDespatch on the Operations Against the Kuki Tribesâ Macquoid to Keary, 27 April 1919, Appendix â II & III. See also Shakespear 1929: 236â237.
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Which news coming to highlight there was NO kuki Anglo war, how will this article shape. Wanted to here your opinion.
https://www.ifp.co.in/manipur/there-was-no-anglo-kuki-war-of-1917-1919-federation-of-haomee
https://www.morungexpress.com/four-naga-tribes-anglo-kuki-war-issue
http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=36..050823.aug23 KoubruNongpok ( talk) 04:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Haoreima, this page is on the rebellion/war as the case may be, but not about the name "Anglo-Kuki War". Any pertinent information about the rebellion itself is lackng. Given that, a huge section on the controversies regarding the name is WP:UNDUE. Can you please reduce this section to 3-4 lines? Note especially that none of the people you have cited here are historians.
If you fail to do this, I will be obliged to delete it and rewrite it in my own fashion. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:40, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Note all sources used for documenting history must be WP:HISTRS. Do not use web sites, newspapers, politician statements etc. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 15:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
== There was No Anglo kuki war 1917-1919. == Infozenith.
The Federation of Haomee on Tuesday stated that there was no Anglo-Kuki War, 1917-1919 in Manipur and that there is no country of Kuki in Manipur. It said the state government should punish those who make false history of the state. Speaking to the media on Tuesday at Federation of Haomee office located at Dewlahland, federation spokesperson Y Shyamkumar said that there was an incident of the Khongjai people supporting Chingakham Sanajaoba by paying a tax of Re 1 instead of Rs 3 while he was fighting against Churachand (King). here is a document of clarification from 12 Khongjai (who were arrested during battle) and it is mentioned by the chief commissioner of Assam submitted to the secretary to the government of India, foreign and political department, vide letter number 631P political department, branch, Shillong dated June 27, 1919, Shyamkumar said. The responsibility of creating war was imputed to Sanajaoba and he was sent to Andaman Nicobar as a prisoner, Shyamkumar added. Non-incident Anglo-Kuki War has a centenary stone pillar at Kuki Inn and there is a pillar with the name of Chief Minister N Biren at Asian village, Saikhul block too, the spokesperson of FoH said, adding that there is a stone pillar of the Anglo-Kuki war in every Kuki village.He asked which government gave them permission to construct the Anglo Kuki war gate at Leisang village, from Moirang to Churachandpur. It should be clarified by the state government to the public, Shyamkumar demanded. He also said that the Federation of Haomee had submitted a memorandum to Union Home Minister Amit Shah about the Anglo-Kuki war on October 15, 2019 who replied to the Federation of Haomee and addressed the chief secretary of Manipur to break down all stone pillars of Anglo-Kuki war. Even MP Leishemba Sanajaoba had clarified that there was no Anglo-Kuki War, Shyamkumar said and drew the attention of the chief minister to look into the matter and punish all who claim wrong history. Manipurinfo ( talk) 00:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
respected verifier of this Google authority please be noted that while verification to some mater pleased do study the matter i.e. in this pages what u have verified kuki are the inhabitants of Myanmar. Then how they are indian or manipuri. Please be noted that war of bomb that they fire to manipur which we still cannot sleep, many of our brothers sister are death,rape, torture, kills. Have not you heard what we manipuries suffer please do make sense. With regards
A public for His Goodness 103.226.184.242 ( talk) 18:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
This article needs serious verification before projecting it as war against British Raj in India (Anglo Kuki War in the lead section including infobox) while even Anglo Manipur War is being questionable as war or rebellion based on analysis of what relation in political authority did British had prior to 1891 over Manipur (princely state)
[1]" The prevailing traits of self-importance and self exalhation among the Thadous is understood when it is remembered that for long they comnposed the 4th levies of Manipur State and were allowed to do very much as they pleased with all among whom they took up their abode. At times their ambition have got the better of them and they broke out in open rebelllion in 1918-1919"
[2]" It has been asserted, that some of the principal chieftains of the southern or Kookee tribes, could raise a force of 8,000 men ; but this we may safely pronounce to be an exaggerationthe mutual distrust, which has been before - -alluded to as existing among them, is wholly incompatible with the unity of feeling by which such a force could alone be assembled. For purposes purely defensive, a body of from five to six hundred men might be collected ; but when -the limited extent of their cultivation, and the restlessness which characterises all savages, are considered, it is evident that even for self-defence, it is highly improbable, they could long be kept together. Small parties of from 10 to 30 men, have however frequently made incursions into the border villages along the line of frontier, and in Cachar, whole tracts of fertile country were, up to a very recent period, deserted,from an apprehension of these attacks. The plunder of.property is less the object of the marauders than the acquisition of heads, which are considered essential to the due performance of the funeral rites of their vjllage chieftains, and to obtain which, they will undertake long and difficult journeys,and remain concealed for days together in the jungle bordering on the different lines of communication, between distant villages ; they spring on the unwary traveller, decapitate him in an instant, and plunging into the forests, are far on their way home, before the murder becomes known in the village of the miserable victim
. [3]The Khongjai tribes of Kukis -This important tribe of kuki has only in comparatively recent times come under the rule of Manipur in its entirety.
Since the Khongjais came under Manipur,they do not form large hunting parties that they used to
All this historical books shows the dubious nature of exaggerate in using the term anglo kuki war by kuki historians while describing the rebellion against force recruitment of soldiers .The administrative power kuki village chief had were also not independent one. đ˛ ęŻęŻ¨ęŻęŻĽęŻŞ ęŻęŻĽ ęŻęŻĽęŻęŻęŻ (talk) 09:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Kautilya3 Also I was not trying to disrupt edit, this topic is full of controversy and the use of term Anglo Kuki War seems dubious none of the British records mentioned any war against Kuki. Here is what you have written yourself on Anglo-Manipur War talk page
Some newish editors started contesting whether it was a "war" or a "rebellion". It is not easy to make a decision. The Manipuri sources are pretty much unanimous in calling it "Anglo-Manipur War", a term that they made up themselves, while the British sources have used terms like "expedition" or "punitive expedition".
I see every kuki sources are also very unanimous in calling it "Anglo Kuki War which is a term they made up themselves while British sources used the term rebellion đ˛ ęŻęŻ¨ęŻęŻĽęŻŞ ęŻęŻĽ ęŻęŻĽęŻęŻęŻ (talk) 23:44, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
BL, AAC, IOR&PP, IOR/L/MIL/17/19/42: 1919: âDespatch on the Operations Against the Kuki Tribesâ Macquoid to Keary, 27 April 1919, Appendix â II & III. See also Shakespear 1929: 236â237.
References