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The result of the move request was: pages moved. Andrewa ( talk) 04:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
– "Kriti" is also the Modern Greek name for the island of Crete, and that exact form is not infrequently used in English (in the botanical literature, for example, it appears to be ubiquitous). It is difficult to see a primary topic between the Carnatic musical form, the island, and the dozen or so other, less notable, entries on the dab page.
I would like to note that Kriti is well-linked, so if this move request is successful, there will be around 140 links to fix [1]. – Uanfala (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I have been requested to reopen the above RM. I have initially declined to do so, but there are some new arguments raised that should be discussed, and I think that here is the place to do that. Watch this space! Andrewa ( talk) 22:08, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
For any others watching this space...
In particular, the editor in question said the move is flawed as it implies that Kriti is a musical composition, rather than the form that underlies many thousands of compositions and the centrepiece of most Carnatic performances. The musical meaning is clearly the primary meaning, with long-term significance over the YouTube video, and the island is normally called "Crete" in English. ... if ... disambiguation is needed, then an appropriate disambiguating term must be found. I have omitted their objections to the process, as indicated... those can be discussed at wp:MR (but I think they are quite baseless anyway).
So the issues as I see them are:
Some comments already on those! I'm still eager to see any other views on any of these issues.
Pinging Crouch, Swale and Necrothesp as the other participants.
As noted, there are many incoming links, and I'm responsible for fixing them. Any help welcome! But maybe we should resolve the issue of titling first. Andrewa ( talk) 22:37, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
I still agree that there is no primary topic. Kriti (music) would be acceptable if the disambiguator is disputed, although I confess that even rereading the article I see no real problem with the current disambiguator. It may not be a specific musical composition, but it is certainly a type of musical composition. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
If a disambiguator was required, then Kriti (music), as proposed above, would seem appropriate and consistent with e.g. Vadi (music) and Mudra (music), other terms used in Carnatic music. It seems clear to me though that no disambiguator should be required, as the musical term is the clear primary topic. As described at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC it has long-term significance as a fundamental concept in Carnatic music, which has been in use for centuries. None of the other meanings listed on the disambiguation page has comparable significance. To look at them one by one:
This leaves the musical meaning as the only meaning with long-term significance, and the page on that subject should be moved back to the base name, where it has been stable for 18 years. -- 188.28.133.216 ( talk) 23:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I have suggested at Talk:Kriti (musical composition)#Disambiguator that the page now at Kriti (musical composition) should be moved to Kriti (music). Please discuss there. Andrewa ( talk) 02:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: pages moved. Andrewa ( talk) 04:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
– "Kriti" is also the Modern Greek name for the island of Crete, and that exact form is not infrequently used in English (in the botanical literature, for example, it appears to be ubiquitous). It is difficult to see a primary topic between the Carnatic musical form, the island, and the dozen or so other, less notable, entries on the dab page.
I would like to note that Kriti is well-linked, so if this move request is successful, there will be around 140 links to fix [1]. – Uanfala (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
I have been requested to reopen the above RM. I have initially declined to do so, but there are some new arguments raised that should be discussed, and I think that here is the place to do that. Watch this space! Andrewa ( talk) 22:08, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
For any others watching this space...
In particular, the editor in question said the move is flawed as it implies that Kriti is a musical composition, rather than the form that underlies many thousands of compositions and the centrepiece of most Carnatic performances. The musical meaning is clearly the primary meaning, with long-term significance over the YouTube video, and the island is normally called "Crete" in English. ... if ... disambiguation is needed, then an appropriate disambiguating term must be found. I have omitted their objections to the process, as indicated... those can be discussed at wp:MR (but I think they are quite baseless anyway).
So the issues as I see them are:
Some comments already on those! I'm still eager to see any other views on any of these issues.
Pinging Crouch, Swale and Necrothesp as the other participants.
As noted, there are many incoming links, and I'm responsible for fixing them. Any help welcome! But maybe we should resolve the issue of titling first. Andrewa ( talk) 22:37, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
I still agree that there is no primary topic. Kriti (music) would be acceptable if the disambiguator is disputed, although I confess that even rereading the article I see no real problem with the current disambiguator. It may not be a specific musical composition, but it is certainly a type of musical composition. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 08:55, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
If a disambiguator was required, then Kriti (music), as proposed above, would seem appropriate and consistent with e.g. Vadi (music) and Mudra (music), other terms used in Carnatic music. It seems clear to me though that no disambiguator should be required, as the musical term is the clear primary topic. As described at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC it has long-term significance as a fundamental concept in Carnatic music, which has been in use for centuries. None of the other meanings listed on the disambiguation page has comparable significance. To look at them one by one:
This leaves the musical meaning as the only meaning with long-term significance, and the page on that subject should be moved back to the base name, where it has been stable for 18 years. -- 188.28.133.216 ( talk) 23:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
I have suggested at Talk:Kriti (musical composition)#Disambiguator that the page now at Kriti (musical composition) should be moved to Kriti (music). Please discuss there. Andrewa ( talk) 02:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)