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..a reminder that WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA apply here, as well. TFOWR 19:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Discussions to either support the article or recommend closure must take place in the proper AfD forum. The article's talk page is simply to discuss improvement of the article. While it is true that foreign sources may be used in articles. The conversations using this article to deny responsibility to translate are being taken out of context. Here is the WP:NONENG policy in whole:
This is a BLP, of which we required strict adherence to the policy regarding sources. Many statements have been made in, about, and around the subject of this article that cannot be verified. I have requested translation. Accordingly, before notability can be established, translation must be provided. Policy clearly states that if requested by other editors, the original content AND the translation must be provided. If they cannot be provided, then the unsourced material must be deleted. Short of that, this article fails notability and verifiability. No reliable sources are available to support inclusion. It's not personal, it's just policy. Cindamuse ( talk) 00:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the translation is quite poor. Secondly, it still doesn't back up what you are saying - that he's known for designing and playing the worlds only playable chromatic santur. Thirdly, this is not a third party reference. Please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's Reliable Sources guidline. This is the last time I will say that references need to be from a third party. If you come up with a third party reference, please place a link to it here. I still think that you are struggling with this because no third party references in English actually exist. Beeshoney ( talk) 20:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
As it doesn't seem practical to do anything else here is the text in full:
We should change our Point of view
Kourosh Zolfagharkhani who is graduated from Music college of Art University is currently the Secretary of Arts Group in lnternational Center for Dialogue Among Civiitizations. His B.A. Thesis is dedicated to Santour (Dulcinmer) and the design of chromatic intervals in this musical instrument. His thesis will be published in a separate book in near future. we had an interview with him on chomatic Santour design, the content of which is as follows:
I worked on the translation to improve its quality. Sozlati ( talk) 20:17, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice to have this information on the page. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps this part which was removed from the article can be included again? "Zolani left home as a young adult to pursue his passion at the University of Art in Tehran. There, he studied classical composition." Sozlati ( talk) 21:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I accept that BLP's are required to be sourced carefully, but unless the material is contentious - and most of the stuff here isn't contentious - it should be bought up on the talk page before being removed as that keeps everyone happy and involved in the process - and noone feels driven off. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 22:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
You do not need to tune your instrument for every key
Alireza Miralinaghi, Mehr Newspaper, 8 June 2001
Santour players and Santour lovers read this! Kourosh Zolfagharkhgani (Zolani), the Santour player and graduated in music composition from the university, has created a new method of tuning the traditional nine-bridge Santour to reach to the chromatic intervals in this instrument.
This innovative method was discussed on his thesis. Also, he has composed and performed several pieces based on this new method. The performances were videotaped.
In his method to reach to the desired intervals, the bridges on the table of the instrument get rearranged whereas the structure of the resonance box stays the same. Eliminating the limitation in the Santour to participate in more complex music has been always a challenge for the composers and the players. Kourosh Zolani’s method is unique and only one of its kind.
Kourosh explained in the short conversation that he talked about the initial idea with some of the known musicians and none of them encouraged him. One of the well-known music professors even did not give him a chance to explain it and said the idea was impossible. This story is an example of the difficulties that researchers are facing in Iran.
Thomasshane ( talk) 22:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Are these sources sufficient to add the following statement to the article? Senior editors, please add it to the article, if it is useful.
His work has been featured on the radio programs such as the Jon Lewis Show [1] in 6PR 882 Radio station [2] in Perth, Australia, and is now streaming on various Internet radio sessions, including: Mog [3], Napster [4], Yahoo music [5], and Last.fm [6].
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Thank you! Sozlati ( talk) 05:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I've removed some of the "weasel" tags from the article as examples are clearly given around them (and the relevant edit summaries explain what I've done). I have left one in the lead section - it'd be nice to have some examples of pieces that have been written on his new chromatic santur. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 23:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
There are now 14 footnotes, can this be removed? -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 07:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
If this person is notable (as a lot of people are saying) then we could really do with a DAY, MONTH, YEAR Date of Birth, rather than a year and an age range. If he is notable this shouldn't be hard to find - most other BIO's of notable people have a full Date of Birth. If anyone finds a reference (because I can't) please put a link to it below. Thanks. Beeshoney ( talk) 09:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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..a reminder that WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA apply here, as well. TFOWR 19:26, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Discussions to either support the article or recommend closure must take place in the proper AfD forum. The article's talk page is simply to discuss improvement of the article. While it is true that foreign sources may be used in articles. The conversations using this article to deny responsibility to translate are being taken out of context. Here is the WP:NONENG policy in whole:
This is a BLP, of which we required strict adherence to the policy regarding sources. Many statements have been made in, about, and around the subject of this article that cannot be verified. I have requested translation. Accordingly, before notability can be established, translation must be provided. Policy clearly states that if requested by other editors, the original content AND the translation must be provided. If they cannot be provided, then the unsourced material must be deleted. Short of that, this article fails notability and verifiability. No reliable sources are available to support inclusion. It's not personal, it's just policy. Cindamuse ( talk) 00:02, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
First of all, the translation is quite poor. Secondly, it still doesn't back up what you are saying - that he's known for designing and playing the worlds only playable chromatic santur. Thirdly, this is not a third party reference. Please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's Reliable Sources guidline. This is the last time I will say that references need to be from a third party. If you come up with a third party reference, please place a link to it here. I still think that you are struggling with this because no third party references in English actually exist. Beeshoney ( talk) 20:45, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
As it doesn't seem practical to do anything else here is the text in full:
We should change our Point of view
Kourosh Zolfagharkhani who is graduated from Music college of Art University is currently the Secretary of Arts Group in lnternational Center for Dialogue Among Civiitizations. His B.A. Thesis is dedicated to Santour (Dulcinmer) and the design of chromatic intervals in this musical instrument. His thesis will be published in a separate book in near future. we had an interview with him on chomatic Santour design, the content of which is as follows:
I worked on the translation to improve its quality. Sozlati ( talk) 20:17, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
It would be nice to have this information on the page. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 13:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps this part which was removed from the article can be included again? "Zolani left home as a young adult to pursue his passion at the University of Art in Tehran. There, he studied classical composition." Sozlati ( talk) 21:16, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I accept that BLP's are required to be sourced carefully, but unless the material is contentious - and most of the stuff here isn't contentious - it should be bought up on the talk page before being removed as that keeps everyone happy and involved in the process - and noone feels driven off. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 22:32, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
You do not need to tune your instrument for every key
Alireza Miralinaghi, Mehr Newspaper, 8 June 2001
Santour players and Santour lovers read this! Kourosh Zolfagharkhgani (Zolani), the Santour player and graduated in music composition from the university, has created a new method of tuning the traditional nine-bridge Santour to reach to the chromatic intervals in this instrument.
This innovative method was discussed on his thesis. Also, he has composed and performed several pieces based on this new method. The performances were videotaped.
In his method to reach to the desired intervals, the bridges on the table of the instrument get rearranged whereas the structure of the resonance box stays the same. Eliminating the limitation in the Santour to participate in more complex music has been always a challenge for the composers and the players. Kourosh Zolani’s method is unique and only one of its kind.
Kourosh explained in the short conversation that he talked about the initial idea with some of the known musicians and none of them encouraged him. One of the well-known music professors even did not give him a chance to explain it and said the idea was impossible. This story is an example of the difficulties that researchers are facing in Iran.
Thomasshane ( talk) 22:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Are these sources sufficient to add the following statement to the article? Senior editors, please add it to the article, if it is useful.
His work has been featured on the radio programs such as the Jon Lewis Show [1] in 6PR 882 Radio station [2] in Perth, Australia, and is now streaming on various Internet radio sessions, including: Mog [3], Napster [4], Yahoo music [5], and Last.fm [6].
{{
cite episode}}
: Check date values in: |airdate=
(
help); Missing or empty |series=
(
help); Unknown parameter |Station=
ignored (|station=
suggested) (
help)
Link to the radio interview with Jon Lewis
Thank you! Sozlati ( talk) 05:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I've removed some of the "weasel" tags from the article as examples are clearly given around them (and the relevant edit summaries explain what I've done). I have left one in the lead section - it'd be nice to have some examples of pieces that have been written on his new chromatic santur. -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 23:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
There are now 14 footnotes, can this be removed? -- Eraserhead1 < talk> 07:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
If this person is notable (as a lot of people are saying) then we could really do with a DAY, MONTH, YEAR Date of Birth, rather than a year and an age range. If he is notable this shouldn't be hard to find - most other BIO's of notable people have a full Date of Birth. If anyone finds a reference (because I can't) please put a link to it below. Thanks. Beeshoney ( talk) 09:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
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