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I am new here, I just logged/join on to point this out to an administrator or moderator, I am not jewish myself but I don't think a jewish person would particularly like what someone wrote in the Kosher mammals section:
I think that is very offensive and uncalled for. There must be a way to see the IP address of the user or person who wrote that to put a ban on him/her.
That IP is somewhere around Winsdor, Canada. Thought you would like to know...
This could use some more scripture references. For example, which verse is the no mixing of milk and dairy based on? Is it Exodus 23:19? (I'm not Jewish, so I'm not sure.) -- Steven Fisher 06:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The section about cheese is confusing on the issue of Orthodox use of Rennet. While I do suppose that Rennet derived from a Kosher animal that was shecheted properly would indeed be itself Kosher. If, however, you used that rennett to make cheese, it would be considered mixing of milk and meat by Orthodox Jews, and thus not Kosher. I think that section needs revision. Elipongo 20:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, the above writer is mistaken. Rennet from a kosher animal is used in cheese making and is considered perfectly kosher, as long as it was done by a Jewish person or in the presence of a Jewish person as to avoid mistakes (sort of like wine). The proportion of meat to milk is such that the meat is considered Batel, meaning, insignifcant. a proportion of 1/60 is needed for an ingredient to be considered Batel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.109.240 ( talk) 19:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
This sentence in the overview.. Reasons for food being non-kosher include the presence of ingredients derived from non-kosher animals or from kosher animals that were not properly slaughtered, a mixture of meat and milk, wine or grape juice (or their derivatives) produced by only a Rabbi, the use of produce from Israel that has not been tithed, or even the use of cooking utensils and machinery which had previously been used for non-kosher food requires clarification. It is a run-on, and the further you get into it the more confusing it becomes. It needs to be re-worded. I added a tag for needing clarification, this was then removed by User:FeldBum, who stated as justification that the overview doesn't need citations. I'm not asking for citations, but for clarification. I'm leaving this note here and on FeldBum's talk page to clarify my intentions in reverting his reversion. 173.24.56.177 ( talk) 18:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The article might explain the difference between "glatt kosher" (preferred by most Orthodox US Jews) and "non-glatt kosher," a less restrictive and less expensive standard preferred by many Conservative US Jews. See for example: http://www.forward.com/articles/478/ Lack of Meat Choices Not Kosher, Say Conservative Shuls in St. Paul By Nathaniel Popper Published July 21, 2006, issue of July 21, 2006. [article omitted] Hcunn ( talk) 04:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, the word "glatt" does'nt mean "lung", it is "smooth". Also - it is written "גלאט" and not as spelled in the article. 24.80.33.230 19:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I am removing the picture "A Jewish man eating kosher food in a restaurant in Israel". Reason: this picture is not representative of kosher food. It just shows some falafel balls, pittas and a salad. While these items are kosher (if prepared properly!), they do not seem to be especially representative in any way.
Bazuz ( talk) 14:37, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
“ | The consumption of eggs which have started to hatch was regarded as falling under the ban on eating parts of live animals; the Yoreh De'ah argues that if there is blood in the yolk, then hatching must have begun, and therefore consumption of the egg would be forbidden | ” |
Is this talking about eating of raw eggs? How can something be considered "living" if it's e.g. fried and scrabbled even if there is blood. If this is talking about all eggs (raw and cooked) then can someone with more knowledge please expand on it? 71.155.243.176 ( talk) 06:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Does the prohibition on mixing milk and meat apply only to red meat, or are poultry and/or fish included? 16:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
This section is a bit confusing. E.g. "The Torah permits only land animals that chew their cud and have cloven hooves." I think perhaps what is meant is "Among land animals the Torah permits only those that chew their cud and have cloven hooves." The first implies that only land animals are approved, and only some of them. Then, "The Torah lists winged creatures that may not be consumed." Does that mean anything else that is winged that is not mentioned here is permitted? This should be explicitly mentioned. (note: the list of forbidden winged creatures given here is not comprehensive - the Torah also explicitly forbids e.g. ostrich, no?) Does the Torah explicitly forbid monkfish? If not, why is it listed here? Eel would be a more common example of a forbidden sea creature. Stick to what Torah says, or Talmud, or rabbinic councils, and leave out examples. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Some Jews take the not cooking a calf in its mothers milk more literaly than others and thus have different iterperatations so many things arent 100% agreed upon concensus (for that law) and I believe it should be stated that some believe it to different extents. Or maybe it should go in the kosher/kashrut article this is just an observation-- Shimonnyman 11:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Calf? Anyway, the Karaite view can be briefly touched upon in kashrut. JFW | T@lk 16:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't mention anything about the growing concerns on just how humane Jew-Kosher slaughter 'techniques' are on cattle. I have a movie I could donate for this subject if any Wikipedians wish it so.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.132.100 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 28 November 2006
Update: The signing was done by me, Daniel Thomase Ainsworth. There should be no problem here and my addition/recommendation is legitimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.138.86 ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 29 November 2006
This animal was a matter of discussion on the Mexican Hebrew Community about if is or not Kosher. I think it is but I am not sure. Does anyone can see information about this?
[ [1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxmordon ( talk • contribs) 21:54, 10 December 2006
Does any one know if fungi like mushrooms can be eaten or not according to Kosher rules? it is not green or a plant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barry White ( talk • contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC).
Fungi are kosher, subject to the condition that they aren't infested with non-kosher animals. Pontificake 20:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
One of the Kosher Mammals is down as: Beef Taco Hot Pockets (shown below)
Image: Http://www.hotpockets.com/graphics/hot/products/db/beeftaco 400.jpg
A Joke? Edwardando 15:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
A link was just put up to the British Columbia Kosher website. I haven't removed it, but my feeling is that it should be removed along with the links to the OU, the O-K, and the Star-K. We'll end up with a link farm to every single hechsher out there if we let it get out of hand, IMHO. Thoughts? —
Elipongo (
Talk|
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05:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I think that would be exactly the right idea. Topic under "Kosher Foods": hekshure with a short summary and a "link farm" to a long list. Informative, balanced. -- Deeptext
The article mentions rigorous cleaning for Passover, but does not describe the ritual of it. I think that would be sensible to add. (Feather, candle, crumbs. I don't have the time right now to check my memory of the timing and procedure.) -- 156.56.195.52 01:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Kosher gelatin can be made from pig skins??? -- Inahet 19:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The hyrax article suggests that zoologists now reckon they don't actually chew the cud. Has there been any Jewish reaction to this idea? (Probably not "Yippee!! break out the hyrax!!") Also, the list of examples doesn't include any animals which neither chew the cud nor have cloven hoofs: should it be made clear that they're not kosher? jnestorius( talk) 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
(outdent)Actually, this really needs to be changed. Explicitly saying they were wrong isn't necessary. However, presenting a falsehood as a fact is clearly unacceptable. The options are to change it to a direct quote of any acceptable translation (since the factual accuracy would then be irrelevant), or to change it to, "The hare, because it was believed to chew its cud but does not have cloven hooves (Leviticus 11:6)".
The current phrasing directly asserts that it chews its cud, which appears to be false. I have no desire to challenge people's interpretations of scripture or religious values. However, in an encyclopedia, facts and beliefs shouldn't be used interchangeably.
Bladestorm
15:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
It says that breast milk is considered parve, but does not give a cite. Furthermore, is it permitted for adults to drink it (ugh) or only infants? Rpresser 17:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a parve section about whats parve Why fish and milk can go together that mushrooms are parve even tho they arent plants. I am not very good at this and someone who knows more about this stuff should consider it. Barry White 21:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)I think there should be a parve section saying what is parve and what is not because of the rule of not to mix meat and milk together; yet it is ok if fish and milk are in contact with each other. Also to explain eggs and fungi and other stuff I do not know are also parve although I am a novice I think that if a parve section was added it would make the quality of this article better. I will wait for someone who knows what there doing to do an edit because I hardly know anything about kashrut except of what i have read in the first 5 books of moses and that was years ago and right now i am on Isaiah. Thanks for your time. Barry White 09:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC) ect i know that the blood and fat of animals is prohibited but why is blood from fish kosher?? Barry White 09:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
What is the difference between this article and the articles called "kashrut" and "kosher"? I think they should all be merged. -- Gilabrand 09:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
According to this blog post [2] by Professor Marc B. Shapiro, it seems that sturgeon may well be kosher. -- Dj789 ( talk) 15:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
If kosher laws prohibit the animal from suffering in the slaughter and PREPARATION of the animal (as it says in the wiki article), does that preparation include the conditions of the farm that the animal is raised in? In other words, are factory farms with caged animals unkosher? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.198.26 ( talk) 07:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The laws of kashrut don't directly prohibit suffering.
The reasoning people impose on the halakha is that it "must be" in order to minimize pain and suffering. The law doesn't give explanations and reasons why, it just says what it says.
Really, what must be stressed, is that it is 'more' humane than the alternative. A shekht animal was still slaughtered, and the animal probably did not find it a pleasant experience. No, probably did not find it enjoyable at all.
The rules you are thinking of are probably 1) that the blade must be smooth - without a nick 2) so the meat does not pull and 3) that the animal must be healthy. In order to accomplish 1 and 2, you have a smooth and sharp blade and, generally, one slice. Even as humane as this method may be, there is still the likelyhood that the animal feels pain, and still a short possibility that the animal does not die right away. If the animal does not die right away, there are two choices: shooting the animal (or similar "euthanasia") will render it unkosher, but the alternative (letting it die on its own) definitely allows the animal to suffer. It is up to the policy of the meat producer which they will choose ... the kosher meat is worth more, but the bad publicity might not be worth it.
Number 3 is a longer topic, but it touches on the topic humane slaughter (or humane-er slaughter) a couple of ways. It effects how the animals are raised, for example: some hekhshers will not allow for the animal to be penned (white veal) or legs tied (frois du gras -- pardon if I got the words wrong, it's a duck). It also effects the slaughter itself, for example: you can't just cut off a diseased leg and have the rest of the animal be kosher.
As for what the article itself might say, things could always be written better, which is the whole idea behind Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.63.24 ( talk) 19:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that statement "Koshat is now available either directly in local stores or by order everywhere in the world" is somewhat overly generalized. -- bonzi ( talk) 14:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I heard somewhere that the prohibition against blood had something to do with the fact that animals eat meat that has blood in it, and the Jews wanted to separate themselves from the animals in terms of how they ate. Can anyone confirm/deny this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.210.194 ( talk) 18:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
If someone has a moment (and the knowledge) would it be possible to discuss the meaning and root of the related Hebrew terms parve, pareve and kashrut as well as perhaps the English (?) term kosher? I'm curious. Thanks. jengod 08:48, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Is the picture of a winged-insect on a stalk of celery really necessary? Bugs on food seems to be a random picture at first glance to most. Shouldn't pictures reflect the main topic of the page? Insects on food isn't closely related to Kosher foods. It's the equivalent of posting a picture of a murder on a page about laws because murders aren't allowed according to laws. Occamsrazorwit ( talk) 18:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering- the ad for Hebrew National shows they only use "kosher cuts of beef". what makes some cuts kosher and others not, if it's the same animal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curiousnonjew ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
not all parts of an animal are considered kosher, these are however still sold to non-jews of course! Markthemac ( talk) 02:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Can't seem to find the page ... what makes a candle kosher? ie: Shabbos, Havdaloh, Channukah, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.12.229 ( talk) 17:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
@ Debresser:) You reverted my edit, and cited WP:BRD, but then you violated that process by not "When reverting, be specific about your reasons in the edit summary". I would like to know your reasoning; I thought mine was clear in my edit summary: "off-topic subject is an almost universal rule in Jewish law, not specific or related to kashrut", but I can elaborate, if its unclear to you. — Boruch Baum ( talk) 10:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest taking this question to WP:WikiProject Judaism. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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I am new here, I just logged/join on to point this out to an administrator or moderator, I am not jewish myself but I don't think a jewish person would particularly like what someone wrote in the Kosher mammals section:
I think that is very offensive and uncalled for. There must be a way to see the IP address of the user or person who wrote that to put a ban on him/her.
That IP is somewhere around Winsdor, Canada. Thought you would like to know...
This could use some more scripture references. For example, which verse is the no mixing of milk and dairy based on? Is it Exodus 23:19? (I'm not Jewish, so I'm not sure.) -- Steven Fisher 06:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The section about cheese is confusing on the issue of Orthodox use of Rennet. While I do suppose that Rennet derived from a Kosher animal that was shecheted properly would indeed be itself Kosher. If, however, you used that rennett to make cheese, it would be considered mixing of milk and meat by Orthodox Jews, and thus not Kosher. I think that section needs revision. Elipongo 20:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, the above writer is mistaken. Rennet from a kosher animal is used in cheese making and is considered perfectly kosher, as long as it was done by a Jewish person or in the presence of a Jewish person as to avoid mistakes (sort of like wine). The proportion of meat to milk is such that the meat is considered Batel, meaning, insignifcant. a proportion of 1/60 is needed for an ingredient to be considered Batel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.109.240 ( talk) 19:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
This sentence in the overview.. Reasons for food being non-kosher include the presence of ingredients derived from non-kosher animals or from kosher animals that were not properly slaughtered, a mixture of meat and milk, wine or grape juice (or their derivatives) produced by only a Rabbi, the use of produce from Israel that has not been tithed, or even the use of cooking utensils and machinery which had previously been used for non-kosher food requires clarification. It is a run-on, and the further you get into it the more confusing it becomes. It needs to be re-worded. I added a tag for needing clarification, this was then removed by User:FeldBum, who stated as justification that the overview doesn't need citations. I'm not asking for citations, but for clarification. I'm leaving this note here and on FeldBum's talk page to clarify my intentions in reverting his reversion. 173.24.56.177 ( talk) 18:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The article might explain the difference between "glatt kosher" (preferred by most Orthodox US Jews) and "non-glatt kosher," a less restrictive and less expensive standard preferred by many Conservative US Jews. See for example: http://www.forward.com/articles/478/ Lack of Meat Choices Not Kosher, Say Conservative Shuls in St. Paul By Nathaniel Popper Published July 21, 2006, issue of July 21, 2006. [article omitted] Hcunn ( talk) 04:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
As far as I know, the word "glatt" does'nt mean "lung", it is "smooth". Also - it is written "גלאט" and not as spelled in the article. 24.80.33.230 19:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
I am removing the picture "A Jewish man eating kosher food in a restaurant in Israel". Reason: this picture is not representative of kosher food. It just shows some falafel balls, pittas and a salad. While these items are kosher (if prepared properly!), they do not seem to be especially representative in any way.
Bazuz ( talk) 14:37, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
“ | The consumption of eggs which have started to hatch was regarded as falling under the ban on eating parts of live animals; the Yoreh De'ah argues that if there is blood in the yolk, then hatching must have begun, and therefore consumption of the egg would be forbidden | ” |
Is this talking about eating of raw eggs? How can something be considered "living" if it's e.g. fried and scrabbled even if there is blood. If this is talking about all eggs (raw and cooked) then can someone with more knowledge please expand on it? 71.155.243.176 ( talk) 06:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Does the prohibition on mixing milk and meat apply only to red meat, or are poultry and/or fish included? 16:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
This section is a bit confusing. E.g. "The Torah permits only land animals that chew their cud and have cloven hooves." I think perhaps what is meant is "Among land animals the Torah permits only those that chew their cud and have cloven hooves." The first implies that only land animals are approved, and only some of them. Then, "The Torah lists winged creatures that may not be consumed." Does that mean anything else that is winged that is not mentioned here is permitted? This should be explicitly mentioned. (note: the list of forbidden winged creatures given here is not comprehensive - the Torah also explicitly forbids e.g. ostrich, no?) Does the Torah explicitly forbid monkfish? If not, why is it listed here? Eel would be a more common example of a forbidden sea creature. Stick to what Torah says, or Talmud, or rabbinic councils, and leave out examples. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 16:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Some Jews take the not cooking a calf in its mothers milk more literaly than others and thus have different iterperatations so many things arent 100% agreed upon concensus (for that law) and I believe it should be stated that some believe it to different extents. Or maybe it should go in the kosher/kashrut article this is just an observation-- Shimonnyman 11:44, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Calf? Anyway, the Karaite view can be briefly touched upon in kashrut. JFW | T@lk 16:01, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't mention anything about the growing concerns on just how humane Jew-Kosher slaughter 'techniques' are on cattle. I have a movie I could donate for this subject if any Wikipedians wish it so.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.132.100 ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 28 November 2006
Update: The signing was done by me, Daniel Thomase Ainsworth. There should be no problem here and my addition/recommendation is legitimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.138.86 ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 29 November 2006
This animal was a matter of discussion on the Mexican Hebrew Community about if is or not Kosher. I think it is but I am not sure. Does anyone can see information about this?
[ [1]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxmordon ( talk • contribs) 21:54, 10 December 2006
Does any one know if fungi like mushrooms can be eaten or not according to Kosher rules? it is not green or a plant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Barry White ( talk • contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC).
Fungi are kosher, subject to the condition that they aren't infested with non-kosher animals. Pontificake 20:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
One of the Kosher Mammals is down as: Beef Taco Hot Pockets (shown below)
Image: Http://www.hotpockets.com/graphics/hot/products/db/beeftaco 400.jpg
A Joke? Edwardando 15:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
A link was just put up to the British Columbia Kosher website. I haven't removed it, but my feeling is that it should be removed along with the links to the OU, the O-K, and the Star-K. We'll end up with a link farm to every single hechsher out there if we let it get out of hand, IMHO. Thoughts? —
Elipongo (
Talk|
contribs)
05:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I think that would be exactly the right idea. Topic under "Kosher Foods": hekshure with a short summary and a "link farm" to a long list. Informative, balanced. -- Deeptext
The article mentions rigorous cleaning for Passover, but does not describe the ritual of it. I think that would be sensible to add. (Feather, candle, crumbs. I don't have the time right now to check my memory of the timing and procedure.) -- 156.56.195.52 01:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Kosher gelatin can be made from pig skins??? -- Inahet 19:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The hyrax article suggests that zoologists now reckon they don't actually chew the cud. Has there been any Jewish reaction to this idea? (Probably not "Yippee!! break out the hyrax!!") Also, the list of examples doesn't include any animals which neither chew the cud nor have cloven hoofs: should it be made clear that they're not kosher? jnestorius( talk) 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
(outdent)Actually, this really needs to be changed. Explicitly saying they were wrong isn't necessary. However, presenting a falsehood as a fact is clearly unacceptable. The options are to change it to a direct quote of any acceptable translation (since the factual accuracy would then be irrelevant), or to change it to, "The hare, because it was believed to chew its cud but does not have cloven hooves (Leviticus 11:6)".
The current phrasing directly asserts that it chews its cud, which appears to be false. I have no desire to challenge people's interpretations of scripture or religious values. However, in an encyclopedia, facts and beliefs shouldn't be used interchangeably.
Bladestorm
15:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
It says that breast milk is considered parve, but does not give a cite. Furthermore, is it permitted for adults to drink it (ugh) or only infants? Rpresser 17:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a parve section about whats parve Why fish and milk can go together that mushrooms are parve even tho they arent plants. I am not very good at this and someone who knows more about this stuff should consider it. Barry White 21:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)I think there should be a parve section saying what is parve and what is not because of the rule of not to mix meat and milk together; yet it is ok if fish and milk are in contact with each other. Also to explain eggs and fungi and other stuff I do not know are also parve although I am a novice I think that if a parve section was added it would make the quality of this article better. I will wait for someone who knows what there doing to do an edit because I hardly know anything about kashrut except of what i have read in the first 5 books of moses and that was years ago and right now i am on Isaiah. Thanks for your time. Barry White 09:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC) ect i know that the blood and fat of animals is prohibited but why is blood from fish kosher?? Barry White 09:58, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
What is the difference between this article and the articles called "kashrut" and "kosher"? I think they should all be merged. -- Gilabrand 09:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
According to this blog post [2] by Professor Marc B. Shapiro, it seems that sturgeon may well be kosher. -- Dj789 ( talk) 15:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
If kosher laws prohibit the animal from suffering in the slaughter and PREPARATION of the animal (as it says in the wiki article), does that preparation include the conditions of the farm that the animal is raised in? In other words, are factory farms with caged animals unkosher? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.198.26 ( talk) 07:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The laws of kashrut don't directly prohibit suffering.
The reasoning people impose on the halakha is that it "must be" in order to minimize pain and suffering. The law doesn't give explanations and reasons why, it just says what it says.
Really, what must be stressed, is that it is 'more' humane than the alternative. A shekht animal was still slaughtered, and the animal probably did not find it a pleasant experience. No, probably did not find it enjoyable at all.
The rules you are thinking of are probably 1) that the blade must be smooth - without a nick 2) so the meat does not pull and 3) that the animal must be healthy. In order to accomplish 1 and 2, you have a smooth and sharp blade and, generally, one slice. Even as humane as this method may be, there is still the likelyhood that the animal feels pain, and still a short possibility that the animal does not die right away. If the animal does not die right away, there are two choices: shooting the animal (or similar "euthanasia") will render it unkosher, but the alternative (letting it die on its own) definitely allows the animal to suffer. It is up to the policy of the meat producer which they will choose ... the kosher meat is worth more, but the bad publicity might not be worth it.
Number 3 is a longer topic, but it touches on the topic humane slaughter (or humane-er slaughter) a couple of ways. It effects how the animals are raised, for example: some hekhshers will not allow for the animal to be penned (white veal) or legs tied (frois du gras -- pardon if I got the words wrong, it's a duck). It also effects the slaughter itself, for example: you can't just cut off a diseased leg and have the rest of the animal be kosher.
As for what the article itself might say, things could always be written better, which is the whole idea behind Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.63.24 ( talk) 19:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that statement "Koshat is now available either directly in local stores or by order everywhere in the world" is somewhat overly generalized. -- bonzi ( talk) 14:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
I heard somewhere that the prohibition against blood had something to do with the fact that animals eat meat that has blood in it, and the Jews wanted to separate themselves from the animals in terms of how they ate. Can anyone confirm/deny this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.210.194 ( talk) 18:04, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
If someone has a moment (and the knowledge) would it be possible to discuss the meaning and root of the related Hebrew terms parve, pareve and kashrut as well as perhaps the English (?) term kosher? I'm curious. Thanks. jengod 08:48, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Is the picture of a winged-insect on a stalk of celery really necessary? Bugs on food seems to be a random picture at first glance to most. Shouldn't pictures reflect the main topic of the page? Insects on food isn't closely related to Kosher foods. It's the equivalent of posting a picture of a murder on a page about laws because murders aren't allowed according to laws. Occamsrazorwit ( talk) 18:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering- the ad for Hebrew National shows they only use "kosher cuts of beef". what makes some cuts kosher and others not, if it's the same animal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curiousnonjew ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
not all parts of an animal are considered kosher, these are however still sold to non-jews of course! Markthemac ( talk) 02:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Can't seem to find the page ... what makes a candle kosher? ie: Shabbos, Havdaloh, Channukah, etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.12.229 ( talk) 17:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
@ Debresser:) You reverted my edit, and cited WP:BRD, but then you violated that process by not "When reverting, be specific about your reasons in the edit summary". I would like to know your reasoning; I thought mine was clear in my edit summary: "off-topic subject is an almost universal rule in Jewish law, not specific or related to kashrut", but I can elaborate, if its unclear to you. — Boruch Baum ( talk) 10:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
I would suggest taking this question to WP:WikiProject Judaism. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:55, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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W.r.t the dispute at hand, the core question appears to be Is a section on "Pikuach nefesh" in this article
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My understanding is that this is a subject of rabbinical debate, and I have no idea what the consensus (if any) might be, but I assume that the "chemical transformation" of the distillation process might be a factor. (I'm not even Jewish, but I vaguely recall hearing about this issue when some French company launched a premium-priced vodka based on grapes -- not a grape-flavored vodka, mind you, but a neutral vodka distilled from wine.) Anyway, would it be worthwhile adding a sentence or two about this to the wine discussion? Throbert McGee ( talk) 23:27, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
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