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Hi, I just want to be sure before deleting a lot of content, but IP Address 71.190.224.64 added names like Lee Kang-to and Yang Baek from the K-drama series Gaksital. I doubt very strongly that these are real people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.178.201 ( talk) 21:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
The way the article is written, most of it is simply unsubstantiated claims. Someone should provide citations, even if in Korean, for peer review. Dare0021 ( talk) 03:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
The term "genocide" is clearly misleading, as Korea's population grew rapidly during the colonial era, the average life span increased by over ten years, and there were no Japanese massacres of Koreans on the peninsula after the March 1 uprising in 1919. This nationalist Korean historiography only ends up giving pro-Japanese historiographers ammunition for their own distortions.
While the article is fine overall, I think it could use some touching up for POV. While the Japanese did many horrible things in Korea, tossing around accusations like that of mass genocide is starting to push this. I make this comment not because I'm trying to hide Japanese atrocities on the Korean peninsula but because I feel that wild distortions only give fuel to those who attempt to whitewash historical crimes.
The portion on the role religion is also a bit confusing as well.
There are some implications that the initial missionaries had attempted to undermine and despose of the old Yi Dynasty, but I have yet to see any historical evidence supporting such claims. Talk of Japanese funding of missionaries is also without any real merit. At most, the Japanese attempted to court an already existing Korean church in hopes of using it as a tool to maintain control, but that had quickly fallen apparent within the first few years. The vast majority of churches, both Catholic and Protestant, took a neutral stance with a passive acceptance of what most viewed as an inevitable Japanese occupation.
Koreantoast 07:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I heavily edited the prelude to this article, for a start. I'm sure the writer meant well, but statements like "almost 500 years of uninterrupted peace" and "largely benevolent administrative Confucianist bureaucracy" just left a bad taste in my mouth. Joseon's Yi dynasty began with a soldier's coup d'etat against his own king in deference to the foreign Ming dynasty, and since then settled into an effective yet repressive bureaucracy that was extremely resistant to change.
Sure, Joseon had its share of greatness as well, but almost without fail the ruling bureaucracy, suspicious of any possible threat to their power, repressed such innovations. The invention of the Korean writing system, Hangul, is an achievement deservedly hailed as one of the greatest in our history. Yet it was derided by the male Confucianist ruling class as "Eun-mun," the woman's letters. Pioneering mapmaker Kim Jeong-ho traveled extensively to map the peninsula. For his troubles he was imprisoned and tortured under accusation of being a spy. Naval admiral Lee Sun-shin won victory after brilliant victory against the Japanese invading forces during the Imjin wars. Also imprisoned and tortured. And so on. Sometimes I think the only reason the creator of Hangul wasn't imprisoned and tortured was because he was a king himself. Oh well.
As a people, we are still trying to overcome some of the Joseon dynasty's worse legacies; authoritarianism, sexism, regionalism... It just doesn't help to gloss over Joseon's serious flaws, which constituted much of the reason it was so helpless in the first place.
Maybe I should edit some of the other parts of the article, I don't know.
I'm certainly no historian.
I do agree words like genocide shouldn't be thrown around lightly; that only cheapens the word. Some of the Japanese atrocities would probably count, however. Japan's largescale conscription of young women for military prostitution (the "comfort women," a tragicomedic example of the Japanese propensity for euphemism) exactly suits the criteria set forth by the ICTR in its decision to convict Akayesu for genocide.
--Eldir, a.k.a. Jee Hyung Lee
1. The sentences are worded in a way that they are difficult to understand, as observed by the tag. 2. The section implies that Christian missionaries deliberately tried to help the Japanese occupation of Korea using unwitting Korean converts, and succeeded. 3. The whole article looks like it's been written by an anti-Christian anti-Japan fanatic. 4. The article throws around words with little concern. Ex. Legendary 5. Translation of proper nouns. Ex. Righteous Army
I would say the whole article needs to be rewritten by someone who knows the subject and is NOT some fanatic. 59.93.135.124 13:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Eugeneccampbell 00:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Sennen goroshi blanked the lead with no rationale or attempt to reword it. [1] This is a very sensible thing to do as a Wikipedian? -- Caspian blue ( talk) 14:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The list of independence activists should be its own article. It's really long and will only get longer toobigtokale ( talk) 01:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, I just want to be sure before deleting a lot of content, but IP Address 71.190.224.64 added names like Lee Kang-to and Yang Baek from the K-drama series Gaksital. I doubt very strongly that these are real people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.178.201 ( talk) 21:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
The way the article is written, most of it is simply unsubstantiated claims. Someone should provide citations, even if in Korean, for peer review. Dare0021 ( talk) 03:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
The term "genocide" is clearly misleading, as Korea's population grew rapidly during the colonial era, the average life span increased by over ten years, and there were no Japanese massacres of Koreans on the peninsula after the March 1 uprising in 1919. This nationalist Korean historiography only ends up giving pro-Japanese historiographers ammunition for their own distortions.
While the article is fine overall, I think it could use some touching up for POV. While the Japanese did many horrible things in Korea, tossing around accusations like that of mass genocide is starting to push this. I make this comment not because I'm trying to hide Japanese atrocities on the Korean peninsula but because I feel that wild distortions only give fuel to those who attempt to whitewash historical crimes.
The portion on the role religion is also a bit confusing as well.
There are some implications that the initial missionaries had attempted to undermine and despose of the old Yi Dynasty, but I have yet to see any historical evidence supporting such claims. Talk of Japanese funding of missionaries is also without any real merit. At most, the Japanese attempted to court an already existing Korean church in hopes of using it as a tool to maintain control, but that had quickly fallen apparent within the first few years. The vast majority of churches, both Catholic and Protestant, took a neutral stance with a passive acceptance of what most viewed as an inevitable Japanese occupation.
Koreantoast 07:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I heavily edited the prelude to this article, for a start. I'm sure the writer meant well, but statements like "almost 500 years of uninterrupted peace" and "largely benevolent administrative Confucianist bureaucracy" just left a bad taste in my mouth. Joseon's Yi dynasty began with a soldier's coup d'etat against his own king in deference to the foreign Ming dynasty, and since then settled into an effective yet repressive bureaucracy that was extremely resistant to change.
Sure, Joseon had its share of greatness as well, but almost without fail the ruling bureaucracy, suspicious of any possible threat to their power, repressed such innovations. The invention of the Korean writing system, Hangul, is an achievement deservedly hailed as one of the greatest in our history. Yet it was derided by the male Confucianist ruling class as "Eun-mun," the woman's letters. Pioneering mapmaker Kim Jeong-ho traveled extensively to map the peninsula. For his troubles he was imprisoned and tortured under accusation of being a spy. Naval admiral Lee Sun-shin won victory after brilliant victory against the Japanese invading forces during the Imjin wars. Also imprisoned and tortured. And so on. Sometimes I think the only reason the creator of Hangul wasn't imprisoned and tortured was because he was a king himself. Oh well.
As a people, we are still trying to overcome some of the Joseon dynasty's worse legacies; authoritarianism, sexism, regionalism... It just doesn't help to gloss over Joseon's serious flaws, which constituted much of the reason it was so helpless in the first place.
Maybe I should edit some of the other parts of the article, I don't know.
I'm certainly no historian.
I do agree words like genocide shouldn't be thrown around lightly; that only cheapens the word. Some of the Japanese atrocities would probably count, however. Japan's largescale conscription of young women for military prostitution (the "comfort women," a tragicomedic example of the Japanese propensity for euphemism) exactly suits the criteria set forth by the ICTR in its decision to convict Akayesu for genocide.
--Eldir, a.k.a. Jee Hyung Lee
1. The sentences are worded in a way that they are difficult to understand, as observed by the tag. 2. The section implies that Christian missionaries deliberately tried to help the Japanese occupation of Korea using unwitting Korean converts, and succeeded. 3. The whole article looks like it's been written by an anti-Christian anti-Japan fanatic. 4. The article throws around words with little concern. Ex. Legendary 5. Translation of proper nouns. Ex. Righteous Army
I would say the whole article needs to be rewritten by someone who knows the subject and is NOT some fanatic. 59.93.135.124 13:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Eugeneccampbell 00:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Sennen goroshi blanked the lead with no rationale or attempt to reword it. [1] This is a very sensible thing to do as a Wikipedian? -- Caspian blue ( talk) 14:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
The list of independence activists should be its own article. It's really long and will only get longer toobigtokale ( talk) 01:34, 23 June 2023 (UTC)