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What is Wikipedia's policy about stating guilt before a court of law determines guilt? Shouldn't this article say "Jim David Adkisson is charged with being the gunman who fired a shotgun at members of the congregation" instead of "Gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation"? Basel Maven ( talk) 11:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does the link from wrestler David Von Erich lead to this guy?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.232.104 ( talk) 00:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
If you include every shooting in the world you will generate maybe millions of pages each year. WP hates lists but maybe just putting all the smaller shootings in a long list with a single reference outside WP would be better. There is actually a civilian shooting infobox? I will admit in advance that the killers 'political' motivation may make this shooting worth an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo8rge ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
The motivation of the shooter has not been substantiated by a qualified expert in the field. It is irresponsible to publish speculation about hate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.126.95 ( talk) 29 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a Unitarian Universalist church, not a Unitarian church. UUs often are abbreviated as Unitarians in the US, but UUs are no longer an exclusively Christian group, while Unitarians still exist as a Christian movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.190.41.186 ( talk) 14:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
To avoid an edit war, I thought I'd pose this question: Should this article have a {{current}} tag at the top?
I contend that it should be, on the grounds that the shooter hasn't even been indigted (sp?) yet, much less tried. That, and more details may always come in about the shooting--in short, this case is anything but closed. If the {{current}} tag does not belong here, I contend it should be made on a page about the shooter.
Thoughts? toll_booth ( talk) 03:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Adkisson has been indicted by a Knox County grand jury on two counts of felony murder, two counts of first-degree murder, and six counts of attempted first-degree murder. The story is from the Knoxville News Sentinel: [1]
Couldn't this shooting be considered an act of terrorism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.40.95 ( talk) 12:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
David was a E4 hard stripe NCO in the army. not a private. he was busted from an E4 to a private prior to discharge. company level article 15. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.248.74.181 ( talk) 09:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Adkisson left a manifesto in his car, does anyone have links or source to this text? It's quoted from in an interview with David Neiwert, which can be found here: Interview with David Neiwert on youtube, channel talkingsticktv
According to one of his neighbors, he also was upset about Christianity:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/27/neighbors-accused-shooter-everyones-friend-hated-c/
Although the UU isn't really an Christian religion, but it would make sense for the killer to have insane beliefs.
The article mentions that he was partially motivated by his hatred of African Americans. Perhaps there should be more detail about his racial views in the article? Was he a member of Stormfront? Stonemason89 ( talk) 18:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I am from Knoxville (although I live in Fort Lauderdale now) and I made reference to this shooting in a passing comment in another forum. I googled my way to this article because I wanted to make sure I remembered the date correctly. Maybe it is just me, but I find the photograph of Atkins offensive. Would there be any objection to replacing it with photos of Greg McKendry and Lisa Kraeger? Or, in the alternative, just leaving the space blank or, maybe, a photograph of the church. It is a beautiful piece of architecture, at least in my opinion. Atkins is morally, if not legally, deranged and I cannot see what good comes from having his photograph in the article. Mikesartin ( talk) 01:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
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What is Wikipedia's policy about stating guilt before a court of law determines guilt? Shouldn't this article say "Jim David Adkisson is charged with being the gunman who fired a shotgun at members of the congregation" instead of "Gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation"? Basel Maven ( talk) 11:01, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Why does the link from wrestler David Von Erich lead to this guy?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.194.232.104 ( talk) 00:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
If you include every shooting in the world you will generate maybe millions of pages each year. WP hates lists but maybe just putting all the smaller shootings in a long list with a single reference outside WP would be better. There is actually a civilian shooting infobox? I will admit in advance that the killers 'political' motivation may make this shooting worth an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo8rge ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
The motivation of the shooter has not been substantiated by a qualified expert in the field. It is irresponsible to publish speculation about hate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.126.95 ( talk) 29 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a Unitarian Universalist church, not a Unitarian church. UUs often are abbreviated as Unitarians in the US, but UUs are no longer an exclusively Christian group, while Unitarians still exist as a Christian movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.190.41.186 ( talk) 14:49, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
To avoid an edit war, I thought I'd pose this question: Should this article have a {{current}} tag at the top?
I contend that it should be, on the grounds that the shooter hasn't even been indigted (sp?) yet, much less tried. That, and more details may always come in about the shooting--in short, this case is anything but closed. If the {{current}} tag does not belong here, I contend it should be made on a page about the shooter.
Thoughts? toll_booth ( talk) 03:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Adkisson has been indicted by a Knox County grand jury on two counts of felony murder, two counts of first-degree murder, and six counts of attempted first-degree murder. The story is from the Knoxville News Sentinel: [1]
Couldn't this shooting be considered an act of terrorism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.232.40.95 ( talk) 12:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
David was a E4 hard stripe NCO in the army. not a private. he was busted from an E4 to a private prior to discharge. company level article 15. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.248.74.181 ( talk) 09:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Adkisson left a manifesto in his car, does anyone have links or source to this text? It's quoted from in an interview with David Neiwert, which can be found here: Interview with David Neiwert on youtube, channel talkingsticktv
According to one of his neighbors, he also was upset about Christianity:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/27/neighbors-accused-shooter-everyones-friend-hated-c/
Although the UU isn't really an Christian religion, but it would make sense for the killer to have insane beliefs.
The article mentions that he was partially motivated by his hatred of African Americans. Perhaps there should be more detail about his racial views in the article? Was he a member of Stormfront? Stonemason89 ( talk) 18:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I am from Knoxville (although I live in Fort Lauderdale now) and I made reference to this shooting in a passing comment in another forum. I googled my way to this article because I wanted to make sure I remembered the date correctly. Maybe it is just me, but I find the photograph of Atkins offensive. Would there be any objection to replacing it with photos of Greg McKendry and Lisa Kraeger? Or, in the alternative, just leaving the space blank or, maybe, a photograph of the church. It is a beautiful piece of architecture, at least in my opinion. Atkins is morally, if not legally, deranged and I cannot see what good comes from having his photograph in the article. Mikesartin ( talk) 01:11, 6 August 2012 (UTC)