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Is this NPOV?
...but due to his incompetence...
Is this common knowledge that it was his fault? / I96danma 21:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The article presents a far too antiseptic a view of a venal and ruinous figure of severe military ineptitude. Missing information may be coming.
You don’t specifically point out what occurred due to his incompetence, what the context of the line is. But it is generally excepted that Voroshilov was incompetent as far as I’m aware. Dorromikhal ( talk) 16:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
There is disconnection here. The intro mentions his heroic work at Stalingrad. Yet the body of the article says nothing about this. The intro mentions dropping a ceremonial sword. The body does not mention anything about this either, when it happened, where, etc. The intro and the body need to be consistent, at least. Bigmac31 ( talk) 18:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I’ve watched the documentary series warlords which claims he dropped a sword that I think Churchill gave to Stalin in celebration of the victory at Stalingrad but I don’t consider the documentaries all that good so I wouldn't use it as a source. It is the only instance in which I have heard of this incident but I haven’t read anything about Stalingrad yet so that’s to be expected I guess. It is at least proof this is not just claimed at this Wikipedia page. Dorromikhal ( talk) 16:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we can call him incompetent, that decision should be left to the reader. Also we call him brave and clumsy. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 08:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
че, Ворошилов аж 7 лет жил ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.88.210.181 ( talk) 21:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Maybe an assessment section could be created to were historian’s opinions on Voroshilov can be collected. Than such the rest of the article could be made more neutral while no information is lost. Dorromikhal ( talk) 17:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
There were suggestions that Stalin was blackmailing Voroshilov. See The Secret Life of Joseph Stalin; A Hidden Life, by Roman Brackman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.176.183 ( talk) 13:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
its strange that about his tank, the kv-1, there is absolutely nothing mentioned on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.82.134.21 ( talk) 21:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Guys, I had to lock the article because of the recent edit war. Can you sort out your differences on the talk page rather than edit war? Alex Bakharev ( talk) 05:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I have restored the status quo before the start of the edit war and protected the article. Protection is not an endorsement of any version. If you get any consensus please drop me a note and I will unprotect the article Alex Bakharev ( talk) 00:51, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
@ Alex Bakharev: My suggestion, change infobox picture and create a "Gallery" section.. I've seen it in other articles. See below;-- TIAYN ( talk) 06:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
It is not clear what his birth name was from this article. Instead it implies Voroshilov was a name he took like a lot of the other Communists.
I think the “Soviet political and military career” is too long and propose creating separate interwar, WWII and postwar sections to make the article easier to navigate. Dorromikhal ( talk) 21:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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As he died on December 2, shouldn't the article be written that he felt unwell on a "late autumn night" vice "winter night" ? 83.20.177.163 ( talk) 08:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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Is this NPOV?
...but due to his incompetence...
Is this common knowledge that it was his fault? / I96danma 21:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The article presents a far too antiseptic a view of a venal and ruinous figure of severe military ineptitude. Missing information may be coming.
You don’t specifically point out what occurred due to his incompetence, what the context of the line is. But it is generally excepted that Voroshilov was incompetent as far as I’m aware. Dorromikhal ( talk) 16:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
There is disconnection here. The intro mentions his heroic work at Stalingrad. Yet the body of the article says nothing about this. The intro mentions dropping a ceremonial sword. The body does not mention anything about this either, when it happened, where, etc. The intro and the body need to be consistent, at least. Bigmac31 ( talk) 18:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I’ve watched the documentary series warlords which claims he dropped a sword that I think Churchill gave to Stalin in celebration of the victory at Stalingrad but I don’t consider the documentaries all that good so I wouldn't use it as a source. It is the only instance in which I have heard of this incident but I haven’t read anything about Stalingrad yet so that’s to be expected I guess. It is at least proof this is not just claimed at this Wikipedia page. Dorromikhal ( talk) 16:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we can call him incompetent, that decision should be left to the reader. Also we call him brave and clumsy. -- Ysangkok ( talk) 08:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
че, Ворошилов аж 7 лет жил ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.88.210.181 ( talk) 21:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Maybe an assessment section could be created to were historian’s opinions on Voroshilov can be collected. Than such the rest of the article could be made more neutral while no information is lost. Dorromikhal ( talk) 17:38, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
There were suggestions that Stalin was blackmailing Voroshilov. See The Secret Life of Joseph Stalin; A Hidden Life, by Roman Brackman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.176.183 ( talk) 13:23, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
its strange that about his tank, the kv-1, there is absolutely nothing mentioned on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.82.134.21 ( talk) 21:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Guys, I had to lock the article because of the recent edit war. Can you sort out your differences on the talk page rather than edit war? Alex Bakharev ( talk) 05:52, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
I have restored the status quo before the start of the edit war and protected the article. Protection is not an endorsement of any version. If you get any consensus please drop me a note and I will unprotect the article Alex Bakharev ( talk) 00:51, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
@ Alex Bakharev: My suggestion, change infobox picture and create a "Gallery" section.. I've seen it in other articles. See below;-- TIAYN ( talk) 06:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
It is not clear what his birth name was from this article. Instead it implies Voroshilov was a name he took like a lot of the other Communists.
I think the “Soviet political and military career” is too long and propose creating separate interwar, WWII and postwar sections to make the article easier to navigate. Dorromikhal ( talk) 21:43, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
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As he died on December 2, shouldn't the article be written that he felt unwell on a "late autumn night" vice "winter night" ? 83.20.177.163 ( talk) 08:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)