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A young Christian Russian boy, Michael Ribalenko, was found murdered in the town of Dabossary (Dubasari in Romanian), about 25 miles north-east of Kishinev; the town is situated on the left bank of the river Dnister, and formally was not a part of Bessarabia. Although it was clear that the boy had been killed by a relative (who was later found), the government chose to call it a ritual murder plot by the Jews. The mobs were incited by Pavolachi Krusheven, the editor of the anti-Semitic newspaper "Bessarabetz", and the vice-governor Ustrugov. They used the age-old calumny against the Jews (that the boy had been killed to use his blood in preparation of matzo). Viacheslav Plehve, the Minister of Interior, supposedly gave orders not to stop the rioters. During three days of rioting, the government-organized Kishinev pogrom against the Jews took place. Forty seven (some say 49) Jews were killed, 92 severely wounded, 500 slightly wounded and over 700 houses destroyed. This pogrom is considered the first state-inspired action against Jews in the 20th century. Despite a world outcry, only two men were sentenced to seven and five years and twenty-two were sentenced for one or two years. This pogrom was instrumental in convincing tens of thousands of Russian Jews to leave to the West and to Palestine.
Mikkalai 21:22, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
For reports on Riabalenko case with quotes from "Bessarabetz" and other newspapers see: www.lechaim.ru/ARHIV/137/gordon.htm
Summary: 1. Russian government never called it a ritual murder 2. Bessarabetz published a report that Ribalenko was lost after going to the jewish shop, thus inciting anti-Jewish riots. 3. Boy was killed by a relative (who was later found) -- DonaldDuck 08:59, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
If your are sure that government called it a "ritual murder" please cite official government document to prove it. -- DonaldDuck 14:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
My sources: www.lechaim.ru/ARHIV/137/gordon.htm www.sem40.ru/anti/history/1559/
Löwe makes reference to Dubnov [19][20][21], but Simon Dubnov is heavily biased historian. He called for organising armed jewish groups to kill anti-jewish rioters. So your link should not be taken into account. -- DonaldDuck 11:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Many, many problems with your response:
You need to engage with the information presented, and refute it, rather than simply substituting your own timeline or smearing a source for now reason at all. In line with Wikipedia guidelines, please find some English-language sources that back up your view, or at least address the facts presented. -- Goodoldpolonius2 14:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
You have also violated WP:3RR.
Well, you don't really need to speak russian to edit articles, but your edits will be distorted and heavily biased. If you are not able to read inciting passages from "Bessarabetz" you have to rely on secondary sources.
Did you read my objection? I have pointed to references concerning government involvment [19][20][21].
I will try to make compromise version. -- DonaldDuck 09:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I've recently reverted this anonymous edit. I can find no other online mention of a "Jaacov ben Menachem HaLevi" and no source was cited. If this is legitimate, please restore with a citation. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 18:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the recent page move to Chisinau pogrom. The most commonly known English-language term is "Kishinev pogrom". If someone disagrees, please present your arguments. Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:25, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
It also has to be said that the mayor of Cisinau Schmidt - he was a member of the German community - retreated from his post three days after the pogrom took place. This was his form of protest against the riots. -- 92.206.13.110 ( talk) 13:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
It is not made clear in the article whether the dates are referenced to the old or new calendar dates (October 17 O.S. = October 30). That has important bearing on whether the following statement is accurate:
If the dates of the pogrom are O.S. dates, the statement is (barely) accurate. If the dates are under the current calendar system, they are not. My understanding is that the October Manifesto was a response to, not the cause of, the 1905 uprising. If someone interpreted the October 19-20 dates of the pogrom as O.S. dates, that could explain the impression that they occurred after the October Manifesto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.208.11.42 ( talk) 21:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
And quoting it verbatim without WP:RS social, political, economic context is UNDUE.
First thing first, this NYT piece got the number of the victims wrong (understandably so, see the dates).
See https://www.jstor.org/stable/23877915 and more for details. I have added this caveat. Zezen ( talk) 04:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
There's no discussion nor consensus for the change in article's title. The overwhelming majority of sources refer to the "Kishinev pogrom", back then the town was an integral part of the Russian empire. Somebody please revert the unilateral move. I don't know how to do it properly.--
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The result of the move request was: Moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 13:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Chișinău pogrom (1903) → Kishinev pogrom – Overwhelming COMMONNAME; the name "Chișinău pogrom" doesn't even register on Google NGRAMS (see below). Likewise, the overwhelming primary topic of this name is the 1903 pogrom rather than the 1905 one, which could be a hatnote if an article existed (Google Scholar results below, the 1905 pogrom is not mentioned in the first three pages of results). Although I respect User:Super Dromaeosaurus as an editor, they should be trouted for making this undiscussed move which has no basis in Article titles policy and has caused unnecessary work for other editors. ( t · c) buidhe 12:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh, great. I love wasting my time and working for nothing! Now we'll have to revert all the following changes we made once the article's name is changed back to "Kishinev pogrom":
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_antisemitism&diff=prev&oldid=1004457686 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1004458203 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania&diff=prev&oldid=1004458780 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Antisemitism_in_the_Russian_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1004459098 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=David_Ben-Gurion&diff=prev&oldid=1004460838 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pogrom&diff=prev&oldid=1004461377 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Uganda_Scheme&diff=prev&oldid=1004531391 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion&diff=prev&oldid=1004545655 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Second_Aliyah&curid=5585018&diff=1004456328&oldid=1001639065 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_Zionism&curid=14098762&diff=1004456973&oldid=1001875756 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Blood_libel&type=revision&diff=1004597900&oldid=1004311320 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chaim_Zhitlowsky&diff=prev&oldid=1004456647 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=William_Evans-Gordon&diff=prev&oldid=1004456587 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ephraim_Moses_Lilien&diff=prev&oldid=1004456857 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=B%27nai_B%27rith&type=revision&diff=1004597976&oldid=1003301476 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky&type=revision&diff=1004597988&oldid=1002442834 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pavel_Krushevan&type=revision&diff=1004598145&oldid=992931312 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barukh_Binah&type=revision&diff=1004598353&oldid=994306838 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vladimir_Korolenko&diff=prev&oldid=1004456253 |
User:Super Dromaeosaurus, did you change the title of this pogrom in any other article?-- Watchlonly ( talk) 15:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
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The following piece removed from History of the Jews in Bessarabia. Please merge.
A young Christian Russian boy, Michael Ribalenko, was found murdered in the town of Dabossary (Dubasari in Romanian), about 25 miles north-east of Kishinev; the town is situated on the left bank of the river Dnister, and formally was not a part of Bessarabia. Although it was clear that the boy had been killed by a relative (who was later found), the government chose to call it a ritual murder plot by the Jews. The mobs were incited by Pavolachi Krusheven, the editor of the anti-Semitic newspaper "Bessarabetz", and the vice-governor Ustrugov. They used the age-old calumny against the Jews (that the boy had been killed to use his blood in preparation of matzo). Viacheslav Plehve, the Minister of Interior, supposedly gave orders not to stop the rioters. During three days of rioting, the government-organized Kishinev pogrom against the Jews took place. Forty seven (some say 49) Jews were killed, 92 severely wounded, 500 slightly wounded and over 700 houses destroyed. This pogrom is considered the first state-inspired action against Jews in the 20th century. Despite a world outcry, only two men were sentenced to seven and five years and twenty-two were sentenced for one or two years. This pogrom was instrumental in convincing tens of thousands of Russian Jews to leave to the West and to Palestine.
Mikkalai 21:22, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
For reports on Riabalenko case with quotes from "Bessarabetz" and other newspapers see: www.lechaim.ru/ARHIV/137/gordon.htm
Summary: 1. Russian government never called it a ritual murder 2. Bessarabetz published a report that Ribalenko was lost after going to the jewish shop, thus inciting anti-Jewish riots. 3. Boy was killed by a relative (who was later found) -- DonaldDuck 08:59, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
If your are sure that government called it a "ritual murder" please cite official government document to prove it. -- DonaldDuck 14:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
My sources: www.lechaim.ru/ARHIV/137/gordon.htm www.sem40.ru/anti/history/1559/
Löwe makes reference to Dubnov [19][20][21], but Simon Dubnov is heavily biased historian. He called for organising armed jewish groups to kill anti-jewish rioters. So your link should not be taken into account. -- DonaldDuck 11:03, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Many, many problems with your response:
You need to engage with the information presented, and refute it, rather than simply substituting your own timeline or smearing a source for now reason at all. In line with Wikipedia guidelines, please find some English-language sources that back up your view, or at least address the facts presented. -- Goodoldpolonius2 14:18, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
You have also violated WP:3RR.
Well, you don't really need to speak russian to edit articles, but your edits will be distorted and heavily biased. If you are not able to read inciting passages from "Bessarabetz" you have to rely on secondary sources.
Did you read my objection? I have pointed to references concerning government involvment [19][20][21].
I will try to make compromise version. -- DonaldDuck 09:12, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I've recently reverted this anonymous edit. I can find no other online mention of a "Jaacov ben Menachem HaLevi" and no source was cited. If this is legitimate, please restore with a citation. Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 18:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the recent page move to Chisinau pogrom. The most commonly known English-language term is "Kishinev pogrom". If someone disagrees, please present your arguments. Staszek Lem ( talk) 23:25, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
It also has to be said that the mayor of Cisinau Schmidt - he was a member of the German community - retreated from his post three days after the pogrom took place. This was his form of protest against the riots. -- 92.206.13.110 ( talk) 13:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
It is not made clear in the article whether the dates are referenced to the old or new calendar dates (October 17 O.S. = October 30). That has important bearing on whether the following statement is accurate:
If the dates of the pogrom are O.S. dates, the statement is (barely) accurate. If the dates are under the current calendar system, they are not. My understanding is that the October Manifesto was a response to, not the cause of, the 1905 uprising. If someone interpreted the October 19-20 dates of the pogrom as O.S. dates, that could explain the impression that they occurred after the October Manifesto. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.208.11.42 ( talk) 21:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
And quoting it verbatim without WP:RS social, political, economic context is UNDUE.
First thing first, this NYT piece got the number of the victims wrong (understandably so, see the dates).
See https://www.jstor.org/stable/23877915 and more for details. I have added this caveat. Zezen ( talk) 04:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
There's no discussion nor consensus for the change in article's title. The overwhelming majority of sources refer to the "Kishinev pogrom", back then the town was an integral part of the Russian empire. Somebody please revert the unilateral move. I don't know how to do it properly.--
Watchlonly (
talk)
17:10, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( closed by non-admin page mover) BegbertBiggs ( talk) 13:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Chișinău pogrom (1903) → Kishinev pogrom – Overwhelming COMMONNAME; the name "Chișinău pogrom" doesn't even register on Google NGRAMS (see below). Likewise, the overwhelming primary topic of this name is the 1903 pogrom rather than the 1905 one, which could be a hatnote if an article existed (Google Scholar results below, the 1905 pogrom is not mentioned in the first three pages of results). Although I respect User:Super Dromaeosaurus as an editor, they should be trouted for making this undiscussed move which has no basis in Article titles policy and has caused unnecessary work for other editors. ( t · c) buidhe 12:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh, great. I love wasting my time and working for nothing! Now we'll have to revert all the following changes we made once the article's name is changed back to "Kishinev pogrom":
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_antisemitism&diff=prev&oldid=1004457686 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pogroms_in_the_Russian_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1004458203 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania&diff=prev&oldid=1004458780 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Antisemitism_in_the_Russian_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1004459098 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=David_Ben-Gurion&diff=prev&oldid=1004460838 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pogrom&diff=prev&oldid=1004461377 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Uganda_Scheme&diff=prev&oldid=1004531391 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion&diff=prev&oldid=1004545655 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Second_Aliyah&curid=5585018&diff=1004456328&oldid=1001639065 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=History_of_Zionism&curid=14098762&diff=1004456973&oldid=1001875756 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Blood_libel&type=revision&diff=1004597900&oldid=1004311320 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Chaim_Zhitlowsky&diff=prev&oldid=1004456647 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=William_Evans-Gordon&diff=prev&oldid=1004456587 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ephraim_Moses_Lilien&diff=prev&oldid=1004456857 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=B%27nai_B%27rith&type=revision&diff=1004597976&oldid=1003301476 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky&type=revision&diff=1004597988&oldid=1002442834 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Pavel_Krushevan&type=revision&diff=1004598145&oldid=992931312 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Barukh_Binah&type=revision&diff=1004598353&oldid=994306838 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Vladimir_Korolenko&diff=prev&oldid=1004456253 |
User:Super Dromaeosaurus, did you change the title of this pogrom in any other article?-- Watchlonly ( talk) 15:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)