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This is a page about Udaipur State under British rule only, not an article on the state of Mewar in general. The dynastic information about rulers of Mewar outside the period of Brith rule appears to be misplaced. There is a separate page for Mewar state in general. Deccantrap ( talk) 18:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
This page categorizes Udaipur/Mewar State as a princely state, which means a native state vassal to the British Raj. Consistent with this definition, the establishment date of the state is listed as 1818. However, it can hardly be debated that the Udaipur/Mewar State existed before the time it came into vassal status [1]. What does the community feel about classifying Udaipur State as a former state instead of princely state?
The above suggestion will allow the vassal period of Udaipur State to be a subset of the time of its existence as a sovereign state. The alternative would be to create another page to address the pre-vassalage state. This alternative would be cumbersome and ineffective.
Please do comment. Deccantrap ( talk) 19:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
References
Suggest that the list of Mewar State rulers be spun off as a separate page. See, e.g., List of English monarchs. If no objections are voiced, I will make it a project sometime in the distant future. Deccantrap ( talk) 03:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Udaipur State → Kingdom of Mewar – A few days ago Sisodias of Mewar was merged here. That merge and expansion of the page has changed what the page is about. It is now about the Kingdom in its historical context and not just the state under Maratha and British. Because historically speaking, there was no state before the british arrived, this must be a kingdom. Also Mewar is a Common Name to include in the title and not Udaipur. See WP:COMMONNAME >>> Extorc. talk 08:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Also; Shouldn't we merge separate article of Guhila and Sisodia dynasty into one here as this is the same family and have separate article for Udaipur state during British period alone ??
At last, House of Mewar
is also used by multiple scholars for this kingdom @
Extorc,
Sajaypal007, and
Abhishek0831996: Please make a comment on my suggestion as well.
Packer&Tracker (
talk)
18:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I do wonder if some of the support- And Yes! State does conflict with the modern definition of State as in a nation-state but Kingdom provides a seamless distinction. Even if I would concede that State and Kingdom are both used equally in sources,(for making a point), still Kingdom is a good disambiguation of State away from nation-state. Also feel free to ping to get my attention and to speed up discussion. >>> Extorc. talk 19:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
A Large proportion of ... kingdoms and Empires?Thanks @ Extorc. I want to withdraw that part of the argument. My opinion was primarily supported by the generic factors that I have canvassed in further details above. I think my specific point about Mewar is taking the discussion away from my main argument and I apologize for bringing it up. Deccantrap ( talk) 20:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
The pdf of History of Rajasthan by Rima Hooja that I'm using doesn't have page numbers labeled. I will add quotes from the book in my citations, kindly add page numbers if you are aware of them. Thanks. >>> Extorc. talk 07:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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This is a page about Udaipur State under British rule only, not an article on the state of Mewar in general. The dynastic information about rulers of Mewar outside the period of Brith rule appears to be misplaced. There is a separate page for Mewar state in general. Deccantrap ( talk) 18:51, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
This page categorizes Udaipur/Mewar State as a princely state, which means a native state vassal to the British Raj. Consistent with this definition, the establishment date of the state is listed as 1818. However, it can hardly be debated that the Udaipur/Mewar State existed before the time it came into vassal status [1]. What does the community feel about classifying Udaipur State as a former state instead of princely state?
The above suggestion will allow the vassal period of Udaipur State to be a subset of the time of its existence as a sovereign state. The alternative would be to create another page to address the pre-vassalage state. This alternative would be cumbersome and ineffective.
Please do comment. Deccantrap ( talk) 19:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
References
Suggest that the list of Mewar State rulers be spun off as a separate page. See, e.g., List of English monarchs. If no objections are voiced, I will make it a project sometime in the distant future. Deccantrap ( talk) 03:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 22:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Udaipur State → Kingdom of Mewar – A few days ago Sisodias of Mewar was merged here. That merge and expansion of the page has changed what the page is about. It is now about the Kingdom in its historical context and not just the state under Maratha and British. Because historically speaking, there was no state before the british arrived, this must be a kingdom. Also Mewar is a Common Name to include in the title and not Udaipur. See WP:COMMONNAME >>> Extorc. talk 08:05, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Also; Shouldn't we merge separate article of Guhila and Sisodia dynasty into one here as this is the same family and have separate article for Udaipur state during British period alone ??
At last, House of Mewar
is also used by multiple scholars for this kingdom @
Extorc,
Sajaypal007, and
Abhishek0831996: Please make a comment on my suggestion as well.
Packer&Tracker (
talk)
18:43, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I do wonder if some of the support- And Yes! State does conflict with the modern definition of State as in a nation-state but Kingdom provides a seamless distinction. Even if I would concede that State and Kingdom are both used equally in sources,(for making a point), still Kingdom is a good disambiguation of State away from nation-state. Also feel free to ping to get my attention and to speed up discussion. >>> Extorc. talk 19:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
A Large proportion of ... kingdoms and Empires?Thanks @ Extorc. I want to withdraw that part of the argument. My opinion was primarily supported by the generic factors that I have canvassed in further details above. I think my specific point about Mewar is taking the discussion away from my main argument and I apologize for bringing it up. Deccantrap ( talk) 20:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
The pdf of History of Rajasthan by Rima Hooja that I'm using doesn't have page numbers labeled. I will add quotes from the book in my citations, kindly add page numbers if you are aware of them. Thanks. >>> Extorc. talk 07:02, 10 July 2022 (UTC)