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Can we agree to a "Truce" so that comments can be solicited? Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Further_dispute_resolution -- Lukobe 17:23, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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I believe the "He's dead" ending of the article is unnecessary and a little melodramatic. Please edit this.
No video of this one yet?
What difference does it make if these people (or you people) are Korean, Jewish, or Hindu for that matter? These were human beings.. like you and me, that suffered a tragedy that nobody on earth could possibly ever deserve.
Koreans broadcasted the earlier beheading of a U.S. civilian Nicholas Berg on a major TV channel. They started censoring because now one of their own got victimized.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405130057.html
Under the title, Horrifying Decapitation Scene, MBC's News Desk reported the incident from the very beginning. The tape contained a U.S. civilian named Nicholas Berg, tied with a rope, sitting in front of five men wearing headscarves. The men then read aloud what seemingly sounded like a statement of reason for the execution. Berg was then slain to death immediately afterwards. MBC's News Desk failed to omit graphic details of this execution and one of the five men holding Berg's cut-off head filled the TV screen. KBS's News 9 and SBS's 8 News did not broadcast the latter part of the execution and covered the knife from being seen on screen.
Anyway, yes, this is hypocrisy. But what does this have to do with the discussion of this article? -- Lukobe 16:29, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
As a Korean who have been mourning for Kim's death, I'm really angry to see those ogrish dot com links to execution pictures. I don't see any reasons why we should link to those disturbing pictures. Are there any historic value to those pictures? Or is that picture something so precious that we should preserve dispite its very disturbing nature? Is that what you guys call "freedom of speech" huh? I have removed links from the page. Please don't put those links. Imagine you are one of families or friends of the victim. How would you feel if you see those pictures floating around the internet only to satisfy some perverts?
If we really need to picture, why can't we find some from newspaper websites. Do we so desperately need the photo that we should link to websites like Ogrish.com? -- 202.126.109.10 22:57, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I see someone's reverted again. I am not going to get involved in an edit war, so here I leave it. I guess we'll see what ends up happening. -- Lukobe 23:47, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
-- Lukobe 04:57, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hypocrisy. Koreans broadcasted the earlier beheading of a U.S. civilian Nicholas Berg on a major TV channel. They started censoring because now one of their own got victimized. They've got no right to complain. http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405130057.html : "Under the title, Horrifying Decapitation Scene, MBC's News Desk reported the incident from the very beginning. The tape contained a U.S. civilian named Nicholas Berg, tied with a rope, sitting in front of five men wearing headscarves. The men then read aloud what seemingly sounded like a statement of reason for the execution. Berg was then slain to death immediately afterwards. MBC's News Desk failed to omit graphic details of this execution and one of the five men holding Berg's cut-off head filled the TV screen. KBS's News 9 and SBS's 8 News did not broadcast the latter part of the execution and covered the knife from being seen on screen." 07:10, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
OK, now I see someone else has added the links back, and they've been removed again. I think this makes three cycles, i.e., the beginning of an edit war. And I don't think there are enough comments on this page yet. I am thinking of posting this page to "Request for comments" to get the opinion of other Wikipedians. Otherwise I don't see an end to it.
BTW, Chajath, in reference to your last point, Wikipedia is not a form of mass media, in my opinion. It is an encyclopedia, a reference source. Hence, in my view, informational liberalism wins out. There is no point in having an encyclopedia without informational liberalism, actually. -- Lukobe 17:18, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It is not correct for Wikipedia to censor links to such material - we have Abu Ghraib, Goatse.cx, Shock Site, Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, and Paul Johnson. WhisperToMe 02:14, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I understand why someone might object to having links to the photos here - one might question why anyone would want to access them. At the same time, having inactive links on the page seems pointless. Either make them live or get rid of them. This makes Wikipedia less consistent and makes the page look amateurish and unprofessional. -- Ce garcon 07:35, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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Can we agree to a "Truce" so that comments can be solicited? Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution#Further_dispute_resolution -- Lukobe 17:23, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Link has been posted on Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Article_content_disputes
I believe the "He's dead" ending of the article is unnecessary and a little melodramatic. Please edit this.
No video of this one yet?
What difference does it make if these people (or you people) are Korean, Jewish, or Hindu for that matter? These were human beings.. like you and me, that suffered a tragedy that nobody on earth could possibly ever deserve.
Koreans broadcasted the earlier beheading of a U.S. civilian Nicholas Berg on a major TV channel. They started censoring because now one of their own got victimized.
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405130057.html
Under the title, Horrifying Decapitation Scene, MBC's News Desk reported the incident from the very beginning. The tape contained a U.S. civilian named Nicholas Berg, tied with a rope, sitting in front of five men wearing headscarves. The men then read aloud what seemingly sounded like a statement of reason for the execution. Berg was then slain to death immediately afterwards. MBC's News Desk failed to omit graphic details of this execution and one of the five men holding Berg's cut-off head filled the TV screen. KBS's News 9 and SBS's 8 News did not broadcast the latter part of the execution and covered the knife from being seen on screen.
Anyway, yes, this is hypocrisy. But what does this have to do with the discussion of this article? -- Lukobe 16:29, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
As a Korean who have been mourning for Kim's death, I'm really angry to see those ogrish dot com links to execution pictures. I don't see any reasons why we should link to those disturbing pictures. Are there any historic value to those pictures? Or is that picture something so precious that we should preserve dispite its very disturbing nature? Is that what you guys call "freedom of speech" huh? I have removed links from the page. Please don't put those links. Imagine you are one of families or friends of the victim. How would you feel if you see those pictures floating around the internet only to satisfy some perverts?
If we really need to picture, why can't we find some from newspaper websites. Do we so desperately need the photo that we should link to websites like Ogrish.com? -- 202.126.109.10 22:57, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I see someone's reverted again. I am not going to get involved in an edit war, so here I leave it. I guess we'll see what ends up happening. -- Lukobe 23:47, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
-- Lukobe 04:57, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hypocrisy. Koreans broadcasted the earlier beheading of a U.S. civilian Nicholas Berg on a major TV channel. They started censoring because now one of their own got victimized. They've got no right to complain. http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405130057.html : "Under the title, Horrifying Decapitation Scene, MBC's News Desk reported the incident from the very beginning. The tape contained a U.S. civilian named Nicholas Berg, tied with a rope, sitting in front of five men wearing headscarves. The men then read aloud what seemingly sounded like a statement of reason for the execution. Berg was then slain to death immediately afterwards. MBC's News Desk failed to omit graphic details of this execution and one of the five men holding Berg's cut-off head filled the TV screen. KBS's News 9 and SBS's 8 News did not broadcast the latter part of the execution and covered the knife from being seen on screen." 07:10, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
OK, now I see someone else has added the links back, and they've been removed again. I think this makes three cycles, i.e., the beginning of an edit war. And I don't think there are enough comments on this page yet. I am thinking of posting this page to "Request for comments" to get the opinion of other Wikipedians. Otherwise I don't see an end to it.
BTW, Chajath, in reference to your last point, Wikipedia is not a form of mass media, in my opinion. It is an encyclopedia, a reference source. Hence, in my view, informational liberalism wins out. There is no point in having an encyclopedia without informational liberalism, actually. -- Lukobe 17:18, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It is not correct for Wikipedia to censor links to such material - we have Abu Ghraib, Goatse.cx, Shock Site, Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, and Paul Johnson. WhisperToMe 02:14, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I understand why someone might object to having links to the photos here - one might question why anyone would want to access them. At the same time, having inactive links on the page seems pointless. Either make them live or get rid of them. This makes Wikipedia less consistent and makes the page look amateurish and unprofessional. -- Ce garcon 07:35, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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