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As Scout Schultz was intersex, we should use "they," not "he," to describe them. The BBC uses "they." Zigzig20s ( talk) 14:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
According to MOS:GENDERID, Wikipedia should use "a person's latest expressed gender self-identification". Apparently, this would be male, seeing as Schultz called 911 to report a man with a knife - that man in fact being himself. Rhoark ( talk) 03:42, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Please include the part on how Scout called in the 9-1-1 call himself. Source: http://www.ajc.com/news/gbi-georgia-tech-student-called-911-before-shooting/WTH4NAGX30oJJEAEK98biN/ Starked1 ( talk) 03:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Excluded from this article is the fact that Scout left a total of three suicide notes in his/her room, suggesting that this was a premeditated occurrence. The article need not definitely state that this was "suicide by cop," but it is certainly a factor in the large picture that should not be neglected, as there is a wide audience who are of this mindset. Hoermann3 ( talk) 02:35, 20 September 2017 (UTC) GT Alum, former GT psychiatric services patient Hoermann3 ( talk) 02:35, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Scout was actually born Dec 7 1995. I went to HS with them and graduated with them. This saddens me so much. A fix would be greatly appreciated. And a memorial Service will be held on the 8th of October in Lilburn. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/scout-schultz-obituary?pid=1000000186711557 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3405:1EF0:8A3:EABD:36EC:3C65 ( talk) 16:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that statement is quite accurate, at least not using publicly available information. It has not been disclosed anywhere, AFAIK, whether the multitool/knife was extended while it was being carried. The photos instead show that, at the time the photos were taken sometime after the shooting, the knife was not extended. It appears that the AJC may have been a bit sloppy in their wording in the sourced article. Rob.the.batman ( talk) 01:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
The lede used to say they were intersex and the president of an LGBT organization on campus. I think this should be restored because it provides some important context which is mentioned in the vast majority of reliable third-party sources. Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
In agreement with WP:FAVORITE, I believe that the subject is not notable and therefore unworthy of an article. Not every mentally-ill person shot by the police necessitates an article, even if it receives national news coverage. Analogously, every US Senate vote is a matter of public record and covered in international press, but they do not usually merit an article. As this event is neither controversial, with several suicide notes having been left, nor unusual, as suicide-by-cop is a relatively routine and straightforward procedure that makes up more than a third of all killings by police in the US, the only thing that stands out here is gender identity, which does not lend credibility, but rather makes the article a pet project. Were Schultz to commit suicide in any other manner there would not have been an article, as the individual and the event are simply not of encyclopedic merit. Every suicide by cop receives national attention, very few have articles. I move that the article be nominated for deletion. 24.144.13.189 ( talk) 21:59, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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As Scout Schultz was intersex, we should use "they," not "he," to describe them. The BBC uses "they." Zigzig20s ( talk) 14:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
According to MOS:GENDERID, Wikipedia should use "a person's latest expressed gender self-identification". Apparently, this would be male, seeing as Schultz called 911 to report a man with a knife - that man in fact being himself. Rhoark ( talk) 03:42, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
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Please include the part on how Scout called in the 9-1-1 call himself. Source: http://www.ajc.com/news/gbi-georgia-tech-student-called-911-before-shooting/WTH4NAGX30oJJEAEK98biN/ Starked1 ( talk) 03:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Excluded from this article is the fact that Scout left a total of three suicide notes in his/her room, suggesting that this was a premeditated occurrence. The article need not definitely state that this was "suicide by cop," but it is certainly a factor in the large picture that should not be neglected, as there is a wide audience who are of this mindset. Hoermann3 ( talk) 02:35, 20 September 2017 (UTC) GT Alum, former GT psychiatric services patient Hoermann3 ( talk) 02:35, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Scout was actually born Dec 7 1995. I went to HS with them and graduated with them. This saddens me so much. A fix would be greatly appreciated. And a memorial Service will be held on the 8th of October in Lilburn. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/scout-schultz-obituary?pid=1000000186711557 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3405:1EF0:8A3:EABD:36EC:3C65 ( talk) 16:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I don't think that statement is quite accurate, at least not using publicly available information. It has not been disclosed anywhere, AFAIK, whether the multitool/knife was extended while it was being carried. The photos instead show that, at the time the photos were taken sometime after the shooting, the knife was not extended. It appears that the AJC may have been a bit sloppy in their wording in the sourced article. Rob.the.batman ( talk) 01:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
The lede used to say they were intersex and the president of an LGBT organization on campus. I think this should be restored because it provides some important context which is mentioned in the vast majority of reliable third-party sources. Zigzig20s ( talk) 18:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
In agreement with WP:FAVORITE, I believe that the subject is not notable and therefore unworthy of an article. Not every mentally-ill person shot by the police necessitates an article, even if it receives national news coverage. Analogously, every US Senate vote is a matter of public record and covered in international press, but they do not usually merit an article. As this event is neither controversial, with several suicide notes having been left, nor unusual, as suicide-by-cop is a relatively routine and straightforward procedure that makes up more than a third of all killings by police in the US, the only thing that stands out here is gender identity, which does not lend credibility, but rather makes the article a pet project. Were Schultz to commit suicide in any other manner there would not have been an article, as the individual and the event are simply not of encyclopedic merit. Every suicide by cop receives national attention, very few have articles. I move that the article be nominated for deletion. 24.144.13.189 ( talk) 21:59, 26 September 2017 (UTC)