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![]() | This article contains a translation of Kildinsamisk ortografi from nn.wikipedia. Translated on 21 August 2007. |
Several persons relevant for the Kildin Saami orthography development are mentioned, biographic articles for them exist in other language versions of Wikipedia:
Perhaps someone has the capacity to translate them. I myself prefer to write in the German Wikipedia. -- Michael.riessler ( talk) 16:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC) One more:
-- Michael.riessler ( talk) 16:24, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Change from A to B to C is TWO (2) changes, not three. This article seems to be confused on that point. If there have only been two changes, could someone edit this to fix it? (same claim appears in Cryillic alphabet article, btw.) 72.172.1.40 ( talk) 21:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move to this or any other title. There seems to be no consensus on "Sami", "Sámi", "Saami", ... I recommend, pursuant this discussion, that that all articles with "Sami" spelling maintain that spelling throughout that article. I recommend similar consistency within any articles with alternate article title spelling. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:15, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
– WP:CONSISTENCY with all the other articles relating to the Sámi people and languages, their Sápmi homeland, etc., as well as with other unrelated languages (trawl through the listings at Category:Language families, where we use diacritics as appropriate for the case in question). We were using a wild mixture of "Sámi", "Sami", and "Saami", often in the same article (against MOS:CONSISTENCY). "Sámi" dominated in article titles. "Saami" seems to be decreasingly used in current reliable sources. When it comes to "Sámi" versus "Sami", WP's standard practice is to include diacritics any time they are reliably sourceable as belonging there, even if various sources omit them – often low-quality sources, journalism (which frequently omits diacritics for expediency), and sources pre-dating modern Unicode typography. I don't much personally care whether we use "Saami" (which is more familiar to me) or "Sámi", a long as it's consistent both in the titles and in the article text. Alternatively, all of these and all articles presently at the "Sámi" spelling (too many to list here right now) can be put at the "Sami" or "Saami" spelling (except where an official proper name uses another variant). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 12:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 09:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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); it is not technically a proper name but a translation of Sámi girkoráđđi (in a language that doesn't follow English's capitalization rules), so should just be given the same spelling for consistency.— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Some extended discussion between two editors:
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SMcCandlish: I think you're right on as a general principle. The problem is in this specific situation. The job of WP is to reflect the real world use of language, in this case, no matter the cause (a past bastardization), the three varieties are still in common use. One danger in "choosing a winner", is that topics get named things like "Medical cannabis in the United States", despite the fact that the topic is never called that IRL. Seriously, though, I deeply appreciate your involvement in the community. Your efforts shame us all.
Informata ob Iniquitatum (
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I have to admit the use of Sami / Sámi is in inconsistent use. It's a mess, and therefore only have one simple solution! Please keep 'Sami' at least for the Sami parliament and us Forest Sami, the double 'a' spelling is an attempt to set us apart from persons who happen to have it as the first name on the Internet same for the use of 'Sámi'. While it have no place whatsoever in orthography and pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.208.94.161 ( talk) 23:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
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![]() | This article contains a translation of Kildinsamisk ortografi from nn.wikipedia. Translated on 21 August 2007. |
Several persons relevant for the Kildin Saami orthography development are mentioned, biographic articles for them exist in other language versions of Wikipedia:
Perhaps someone has the capacity to translate them. I myself prefer to write in the German Wikipedia. -- Michael.riessler ( talk) 16:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC) One more:
-- Michael.riessler ( talk) 16:24, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Change from A to B to C is TWO (2) changes, not three. This article seems to be confused on that point. If there have only been two changes, could someone edit this to fix it? (same claim appears in Cryillic alphabet article, btw.) 72.172.1.40 ( talk) 21:05, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move to this or any other title. There seems to be no consensus on "Sami", "Sámi", "Saami", ... I recommend, pursuant this discussion, that that all articles with "Sami" spelling maintain that spelling throughout that article. I recommend similar consistency within any articles with alternate article title spelling. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:15, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
– WP:CONSISTENCY with all the other articles relating to the Sámi people and languages, their Sápmi homeland, etc., as well as with other unrelated languages (trawl through the listings at Category:Language families, where we use diacritics as appropriate for the case in question). We were using a wild mixture of "Sámi", "Sami", and "Saami", often in the same article (against MOS:CONSISTENCY). "Sámi" dominated in article titles. "Saami" seems to be decreasingly used in current reliable sources. When it comes to "Sámi" versus "Sami", WP's standard practice is to include diacritics any time they are reliably sourceable as belonging there, even if various sources omit them – often low-quality sources, journalism (which frequently omits diacritics for expediency), and sources pre-dating modern Unicode typography. I don't much personally care whether we use "Saami" (which is more familiar to me) or "Sámi", a long as it's consistent both in the titles and in the article text. Alternatively, all of these and all articles presently at the "Sámi" spelling (too many to list here right now) can be put at the "Sami" or "Saami" spelling (except where an official proper name uses another variant). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 12:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 09:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Notes:
{{
R from unnecessary disambiguation}}
{{
R to diacritic}}
); it is not technically a proper name but a translation of Sámi girkoráđđi (in a language that doesn't follow English's capitalization rules), so should just be given the same spelling for consistency.— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Some extended discussion between two editors:
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@
SMcCandlish: I think you're right on as a general principle. The problem is in this specific situation. The job of WP is to reflect the real world use of language, in this case, no matter the cause (a past bastardization), the three varieties are still in common use. One danger in "choosing a winner", is that topics get named things like "Medical cannabis in the United States", despite the fact that the topic is never called that IRL. Seriously, though, I deeply appreciate your involvement in the community. Your efforts shame us all.
Informata ob Iniquitatum (
talk)
04:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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I have to admit the use of Sami / Sámi is in inconsistent use. It's a mess, and therefore only have one simple solution! Please keep 'Sami' at least for the Sami parliament and us Forest Sami, the double 'a' spelling is an attempt to set us apart from persons who happen to have it as the first name on the Internet same for the use of 'Sámi'. While it have no place whatsoever in orthography and pronunciation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.208.94.161 ( talk) 23:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)