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There is no substantial information on the subsequent official investigation, arrests and trials. This results in a disbalanced article. You guys really need to give an account of this before you get to the (seemingly credible) issues of secret service/foreign government involvement, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.64.31 ( talk) 23:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
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During the copy-edit some points came to light:
Also as the article is of an Italian subject, I am unsure as to whether the article should be using American English, especially for things like metre. Chaosdruid ( talk) 16:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I changed "box" to "lock up garage" Masonmilan ( talk) 13:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC) I changed "process" to "trial" Masonmilan ( talk) 12:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I took (translated) the extra bit from the Italian wikipedia page. Masonmilan ( talk) 15:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Has the kidnapping and murder of Hanns-Martin Schleyer in 1977 been used as a model for the kidnapping of Adlo Moro? If yes, this might be explained in the text. 78.52.147.30 ( talk) 13:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The text of the article commonly refers to the perpetrators of the attack as terrorists, but according to WP:TERRORIST using the term terrorist should be avoided unless widely supported by sources and then only if in text attribution is provided. This would be my first edit, so forgive me if there is intext attribution and I'm not recognizing it. If there isn't and there is no objection I will change such references to a more neutral term such as attackers. - Authorman1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Authorman1986 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I just want to say that I noticed this too, and there's also a whole section about how law enforcement struggled with the fact that people were largely sympathetic or Indulgent (sounds a bit clerical, almost as if a Christian Democrat wrote it). Considering how there's clearly a second side to the story, and how the ruling government at the time had a history of election rigging, it's just as easy to argue they were rebels. Just depends on whether you're to the right or the left of centre.
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I speculate that this article was (machine?) translated from the Italian Wikipedia. For instance, it says, "Enrico Berlinguer spoke of «an attempt to stop a positive political process», but Lucio Magri (representative of the extreme left radical chic) was concerned about the lie, as a reaction to the massacre, laws against freedom, saying that «it would go right on the road that the strategy of subversion wills», and asked to the State «a self-criticism» and a genuine willingness to tackle problems «that are the basis of the economic and moral crisis»." That is not comprehensible to me as a native English speaker. I'd try to improve it but I cannot make out the actual meaning.
Also note that here and inconsistently elsewhere the Italian-style quotation punctuation "«...»" is used. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia's style says that for English Wikipedia, US-style quotation is preferred.
Another quote: "It was also determined that the participation of Germano Maccari." That is not a complete sentence. What was determined about the participation of the Maccari?
There's also a reference to an "exliciti will" that is not explained. There is no Wikipedia article containing "exliciti" aside from this one. That word doesn't appear to exist in English, and I can't find the Latin-seeming phrase "ex liciti" in any real articles in a quick web search. What the heck does it mean?
I think this article needs a fixup by a native Italian-speaking bilingual person. IAmNitpicking ( talk) 13:31, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
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It looks like there are a number of really fringey theories in the article that are presented in a way that treats them as serious and credible. That is problematic. See WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE. Are the sources even RS? - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:30, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
IMO, the page should be titled Kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro. Although the kidnapping was a momentous event, the most important thing is that Moro was murdered. Psychloppos ( talk) 10:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
I am proposing to split the "Subsequent hypotheses, investigations and trials" section, or at least a large portion of it, into an article titled something in the vein of "Aldo Moro murder conspiracy theories" or "Conspiracies about the murder of Aldo Moro". Considering the "inappropriate weight" notice located above the article and the disproportionate length of said section in the article and the common discussion of allegations of involvement of foreign entities in the killing. Bill3602 ( talk) 02:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Maybe that meant something in Italian. It's just gobbledegook in English. 94.191.153.233 ( talk) 10:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Another mistranslation? Or did he have a vegetarian last meal? 94.191.153.233 ( talk) 10:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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There is no substantial information on the subsequent official investigation, arrests and trials. This results in a disbalanced article. You guys really need to give an account of this before you get to the (seemingly credible) issues of secret service/foreign government involvement, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.64.31 ( talk) 23:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi
During the copy-edit some points came to light:
Also as the article is of an Italian subject, I am unsure as to whether the article should be using American English, especially for things like metre. Chaosdruid ( talk) 16:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I changed "box" to "lock up garage" Masonmilan ( talk) 13:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC) I changed "process" to "trial" Masonmilan ( talk) 12:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I took (translated) the extra bit from the Italian wikipedia page. Masonmilan ( talk) 15:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Has the kidnapping and murder of Hanns-Martin Schleyer in 1977 been used as a model for the kidnapping of Adlo Moro? If yes, this might be explained in the text. 78.52.147.30 ( talk) 13:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The text of the article commonly refers to the perpetrators of the attack as terrorists, but according to WP:TERRORIST using the term terrorist should be avoided unless widely supported by sources and then only if in text attribution is provided. This would be my first edit, so forgive me if there is intext attribution and I'm not recognizing it. If there isn't and there is no objection I will change such references to a more neutral term such as attackers. - Authorman1986 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Authorman1986 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I just want to say that I noticed this too, and there's also a whole section about how law enforcement struggled with the fact that people were largely sympathetic or Indulgent (sounds a bit clerical, almost as if a Christian Democrat wrote it). Considering how there's clearly a second side to the story, and how the ruling government at the time had a history of election rigging, it's just as easy to argue they were rebels. Just depends on whether you're to the right or the left of centre.
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I speculate that this article was (machine?) translated from the Italian Wikipedia. For instance, it says, "Enrico Berlinguer spoke of «an attempt to stop a positive political process», but Lucio Magri (representative of the extreme left radical chic) was concerned about the lie, as a reaction to the massacre, laws against freedom, saying that «it would go right on the road that the strategy of subversion wills», and asked to the State «a self-criticism» and a genuine willingness to tackle problems «that are the basis of the economic and moral crisis»." That is not comprehensible to me as a native English speaker. I'd try to improve it but I cannot make out the actual meaning.
Also note that here and inconsistently elsewhere the Italian-style quotation punctuation "«...»" is used. I'm pretty sure Wikipedia's style says that for English Wikipedia, US-style quotation is preferred.
Another quote: "It was also determined that the participation of Germano Maccari." That is not a complete sentence. What was determined about the participation of the Maccari?
There's also a reference to an "exliciti will" that is not explained. There is no Wikipedia article containing "exliciti" aside from this one. That word doesn't appear to exist in English, and I can't find the Latin-seeming phrase "ex liciti" in any real articles in a quick web search. What the heck does it mean?
I think this article needs a fixup by a native Italian-speaking bilingual person. IAmNitpicking ( talk) 13:31, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
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It looks like there are a number of really fringey theories in the article that are presented in a way that treats them as serious and credible. That is problematic. See WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE. Are the sources even RS? - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:30, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
IMO, the page should be titled Kidnapping and murder of Aldo Moro. Although the kidnapping was a momentous event, the most important thing is that Moro was murdered. Psychloppos ( talk) 10:37, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
I am proposing to split the "Subsequent hypotheses, investigations and trials" section, or at least a large portion of it, into an article titled something in the vein of "Aldo Moro murder conspiracy theories" or "Conspiracies about the murder of Aldo Moro". Considering the "inappropriate weight" notice located above the article and the disproportionate length of said section in the article and the common discussion of allegations of involvement of foreign entities in the killing. Bill3602 ( talk) 02:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Maybe that meant something in Italian. It's just gobbledegook in English. 94.191.153.233 ( talk) 10:28, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Another mistranslation? Or did he have a vegetarian last meal? 94.191.153.233 ( talk) 10:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)