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Someone wrote on the article that she was 11.I think she was 11 in late-2007.Why does it say she's 11 in the whole article and not in the participants article?! 138.88.43.78 ( talk) 23:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
PLEASE REVIEW THE GUIDELINES FOR THE TALK PAGES!! This is not the place to discuss the show. This is a talk page for the ARTICLE! Xylogirl07 00:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
It is in New Mexico. -- Alx xlA 05:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Is Bonanza Town real, or did they just put up some buildings for the show? It is Real. Daman1234 18:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
It was filmed at Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.242.173 ( talk) 18:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor inserted the word "not" in the opening paragraph: "Participants were not paid $5000...". Please cite a source for this claim. The only source I could find was a Times article that said $5000 was paid. Matt Fitzpatrick 17:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It was specifically said on the show that each participant recieved $5000.
At the end of eatch episode the council awards a cash prize (a gold star worth $20,000) to one of the kids in the city. The article needs to be corrected. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/fall_preview_2007/?source=reprise+google+Upfront_Kid-Nation+Kid
There is nothing to correct. This is true.
I like the charts. They exhibit an encyclopedia-like obsessiveness. They would be better understood with an accompanying explanation of what the column categories and color-codes mean, as well as why some of the participants haven't been assigned a color. Barte 02:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Everyone was assigned a color by the Town Council during the first episode. Three kids left the show (Jimmy, Cody, and Randi) and that is why they have a black spot on the chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelgirl ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I haven't found any information from the CBS website about when these 40 days took place in real life; it seems like January or February based on the cold weather. If anyone can find out, that would be an important piece of information to add, especially based on the cold weather affecting them in the second episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmitchelf ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
It was approximately around Febuarary and March. I'm not completely sure, but one of the kids was missing from school for approximately 40 days around this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.1.36 ( talk) 17:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
It was filmed from Apr.1 - May 10. I know this for an absolute fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.242.173 ( talk) 18:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
In an interview with Sophia and her mother Lori on the "Television Without Pity" website, the filming dates are given as April 1 to May 10. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.118.41 ( talk) 03:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The kids use an old form of United States currency known as Buffalo Nickels, officially Indian Head Nickels.
Thanks 24.46.123.59 15:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Can I assume that since she celebrated her birthday in the last episode and Jimmy, who is now gone, is the only contestant listed as being 8 years old, that Mallory is now the youngest contestant still on the show? I was thinking of adding that in the chart the way it says that Jimmy was the youngest. Ospinad 20:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we say what the two choices were instead of just saying which one they chose? including the ones where they didn't win either... Ospinad 20:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know enough about tables to make an informed suggestion about how to fix this, but — if a Yellow Team member's name is placed in the table in yellow, it is nearly impossible to see! Is it possible to use a darker yellow, or perhaps a yellow outlined in black? — Roger 01:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that CBS.com has "Welcome to Bonanza City, New Mexico" (here) as the title for Episode 1 and "Hungry for Fresh Meat" (here) for Episode 2. Tv.com has "I'm Trying to Be a Leader Here" (here) for Episode 1 and "To Kill or Not to Kill?" (here) for Episode 2. I changed our Overall Summary chart to reflect CBS' titles, because they are the network broadcaster. Please discuss. - zachinthebox ( User • Talk) 21:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm POSITIVE NASCAR Fan24 is right. I remember.
I just removed the {{ clean-up}} tag. The article looks pretty good to me. If someone else thinks it should be there, feel free to put it back, but please also provide a reason here. Thanks - Reuvenk T C 13:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I think having the results in a table is clearer -- Ahkat 21:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is easier and looks better to leave the columns to just Name (with color), Age, State, and Notes, to consolidate the other columns back to that one. All the empty boxes just look bad. The overall notes column would be especially fine because each kid only has one "note" so far, and no notes that fit into the notes column as it currently stands. bmitchelf• T• F 02:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I think we should change the participants list to be in some sort of order other than alphabetical. It would be much more useful to have them grouped by team, or by age, or something else. You can always use search to find the name you're looking for if you want to find a name, so alphabetical order doesn't make sens.e —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 ( talk) 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the next episode there will be a shakeup of teams, that means the participants table and any other item that indicates the team/color of a participant will need to be made flexible enough to show their old and new teams. Any ideas on how to do this? AlphaArry 02:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Why was my info about the cold sores removed? Most of the children have contracted some form of these and I presume its from each other. It is a serious health risk and should be documented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morthanley ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Why are cold sores so serious? (rhetorical question) does it even matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.68.197 ( talk) 22:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
After making a few present-to-past tense edits, I realize I'm not sure which is appropriate. The show is airing now, but in a few months, it will have aired. As it was taped, all the events seen have already taken place. So I would think that most of the article should be written in the past tense, which is how it will live on long after the show is gone. Any thoughts? Barte 19:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph states that the show is hosted by Sean Connery, not true-it is actually hosted by Jonathan Karsh. Also, There is no Dance Club, or Liquor store... AND! There weren't 1million kids, 'aged 1-72.'
There were forty, and they range in age from 8-15.
The source doesn't say anything about these either...
I'm sure it was vandalized.
Kid Nation is a reality television show hosted by Sean Connery that premiered on the CBS network on September 19, 2007 and airs Wednesdays at 8:00 p.m. ET. The show, featuring 1,000,000 children aged 1 to 72, was shot at the Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch, a privately owned town built on the ruins of Bonanza City, New Mexico, eight miles south of Santa Fe,[1] with production beginning on April 1, 2007.[2] In the show, the children try to create a functioning dance club in the town, including setting up a liquor store with minimal adult help and supervision.[3] The program was originally scheduled to air in the summer of 2007.[4]
(Above is the article.)
And here is the "Source." [1]
Bryse 00:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it was vandalized again...
"During episode 5 of Kid Nation, Tyrone Biggums Jr. aquired several ounces of Peruvian cocaine from an illigal immigrant working in the town. He then cooked it up with baking soda, egg, and cinnamon, making crack."
That whole passage needs to be removed. —Preceding
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Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to add a short description of what the main theme was for each episode? For example, in the last episode the kids had to deal with the accumulating garbage problem, so each district chose a few members to carry the garbage out past the water pump and bury it. I think it will help to understand the names of each episode for the people who haven't seen them. Ospinad 16:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is pretty good that we have ratings for each episode. However I think it is wrong to have them described by words in the Later Reaction section. I believe that that part is redundant since all the informations can be obtained by simply reviewing the table we've made. In that way reader will be allowed to form his own judgement instead reading the lines in last paragraph that can be a spin. For example article makes big deal about show shedding so many viewers comparing to the Premier while at the same time fails to point that ratings for Epissode 6 were second strongest. It is simply impractical to keep it there. What would happene in the next few episodes if ratings start to be volatile. For example: Raitings deeped but than got up, but than deeped a bit more, but than in next episode recovered a bit ...... and so on. I say, keep the things about sponsors (since that is the only way reader will see that information) and refer him to the table for ratings. What do you think? -- Trigor 12:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have seen an issue of World Magazine and article in USA Today that both criticized the fact that the kids had created a well functioning society, but then the adults chimed in and added a class system.They saw this as ruining the experiment with major adult involvement that proved to be less than helpful. This Wikipedia article should definitely mention that in the criticism section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.86.170 ( talk) 18:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Will add this here, since it fits as "Another Common Criticism".
Based on testimony cited in the Los Angeles Times, there was a lot more producer "involvement" in what the kids did and said than was admitted. The production company was very sensitive to this, because...if they admitted that the kids received a lot of "coaching" and suggested dialogue...the kids might actually fit the legal definition of being "child actors" instead of just being participants in a filmed documentary. That would require much more expense, based on union rules...including greater payment, catered meals, limits on filming time, tutors on the set, etc. That's the reason that...though many of the kids were recruited based on past theatrical experience...no kids were chosen from either California or New York due to the aggressive nature of AFTRA and Equity unions in both states.
Hey everyone,
# | Title | Days |
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1 | "I'm Trying to be a Leader Here!" | Days 1-4 |
Description | Forty kids from across America arrive in Bonanza City for 40 days and are immediately struck by the lack of comforts in their new home. Friendships emerge and teamwork ensues, issues arise and the first Town Council convenes. The first Gold Star, worth $20,000, is awarded on the series premiere. | |
Showdown | The districts had one hour to fill three large bottles with their own district-colored water by carrying oil gushers to certain spouts on the ground. All four teams completed the task in the allotted time. The Town Council chose seven more outhouses over an old fashioned television. | |
Gold Star | Sophia: The Town Council recognized Sophia's work ethic in the kitchen. It was a fairly easy decision for the Council, despite Sophia's voicing of complaints over what she saw as problems in the kitchen. | |
Exits | Jimmy:: Being the youngest contestant, Jimmy became homesick and decided to leave Bonanza, even though Cody, Laurel, and Campbell tried to convince him to stay. His decision came after three days of debate over his abilities versus what was expected of him. |
I notice that the chart of participants has an age column. Should this be the age of the participants when they started, or their current age at the time of a particular episode. For example Mallory was 8 when the show started, but she turned 9 during the course of the show. The chart indicates her current age. I might suggest that the chart represent the age of the participant at the beginning of the show.
Aren't they brothers? I was going to edit the chart, but I'm not absolutely sure. Kairyu512 01:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Nope, they are just friends, check out where they are from. AlphaArry 02:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Someone needs to fix those episode reviews because the really are bad. I want to know about other stuff than "exits" and gold star winners, like in the last episode the surprise election. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.30.176.172 ( talk) 22:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that it should be edited that DK, Greg, Blaine, and Micheal are going to run for their respective council positions in the end of the latest episode recap? Darkmeltdown 23:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as the red team's only concern was carrying enough rocks to win the reward, did anybody see evidence that red had enough rocks remaining, meaning that each team actually had the opportunity to carry 500 pounds of rocks? An unfair reward challenge would not only have been thematically significant to the episode, it's tampering with competitive elements. MMetro ( talk) 10:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of changing the colors of the kids who switched teams back to their original colors. Also I thought it might be a good idea to change the colors of the kids who've left to a dark grey or something to show that they are no longer on the show. It's probably more logical to keep the original colors of the kids who've switched and say in the Notes something like "moved to Yellow team on episode 9" instead of "originally on the Blue team" for the same reason why we are keeping Mallory's age at 8. Besides, Blaine for example was on the blue team for 9 out of 13 episodes which is the majority of the season. Or we can make two color columns for the people who have belonged to two districts so we can give them two different colors right next to each other. What do you think? Ospinad ( talk) 21:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's exactly it. I forget it because it doesn't affect me, but you need the letters in there for people who can't determine which color is which. Also, I think a split box would not allow for sortability. -- bmitchelf• T• F 22:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
If you Google the names of the characters (full names available at IMDB), some come up with a lot of reference points. Considering the significance of the town council members (they are in every episode, etc.), I find them "noteworthy" enough to have their own pages. In a spat of WikiDragon-ing, I put them up. I got two referenced and then ran out of steam, so four of them are only up in minimalist format mode only and need someone to go and add more content and reference them. It's easy, just a little labor-intensive. My only other thought is who else, if anyone, should have individual pages? Being more inclusionary rather than exclusionary, I think more are "worthy". All Gold Star winners? I think that Greg, Mallory and Olivia, (even) Divad and Sophia should have their own pages, as well as Jared and Alex, as they have been significant personas in the series as well. I'll leave all that hairsplitting to other Wikipedians, though (for now). Thoughts anyone? VigilancePrime ( talk) 23:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Down near the bottom, forget where, but it says something about no electricity or running water. It seems as if Mike, former council leader, brought along his Gameboy Advance SP and was playing it during the latest episode while they were critizing Guylan for bringing Nathan to the red district. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.234.75 ( talk) 02:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought that one big "selling point" for Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch was that it DOES have electricity and running water throughout...and therefore production companies do NOT have to bring in on-site generators. That "pioneer microwave" that the kids won during one of their showdowns had to run on something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.118.196 ( talk) 02:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the second box which is currently colored black should be turned into yellow since Randi left Bonanza after the District Changes. Phoenixmjs ( talk) 19:57, 21 November 2007 (PCT)
Question: Are there any legal issues with the choice of letters vs. ponies in episode 10? I believe US law makes it a crime to willfully misdirect or withhold mail. DoubleVibro ( talk) 04:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
They were simply notes written by every family to the kids as standard course on a reality show so it wasn't mail per se, thus not breaking any laws.
That's true. The parents were probably told it wasn't certain the kids would get them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelgirl ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
...Is it really necessary to note something like that? It'd be like, "Sophia: Swore at Guylan in Episode Whatever." I don't think it's needed.
207.255.95.184 ( talk) 16:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree - several of the "notes" seem quite unnecessary, and maybe belong in the individual episode summaries rather than in the kids' boxes. 69.236.77.197 ( talk) 08:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever made the changes. =) 69.236.77.197 ( talk) 06:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Why have then links leading to List of Kid nation participants been removed? I didn't find any motions here for removing them. -- 91.185.115.12 ( talk) 11:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
"All four said they would happily do it again, although as Fernandez noted, "they haven't seen themselves on TV yet."[3]" This is typical newpaper type reporting and is unneccessary for Wikipedia. The actual first quote is mildly attributable, however the second quotation is purely a literary manipulation, implying that the Wikipedia agrees with the concept that once the children see themselves on t.v. that they won't want do the show any longer (which may or may not be a false assumption). At best it is speculation by the editor, at worst it is an attempt at persuading the readers to agree that kids not should not be exposed to these conditions, and is therefore an opinion. (I have not pulled this from the article, but I am irking to.)
Just wanted to say that it's confirmed that the final episode of Kid Nation will be on Dec. 12 and the days will be 38-40. I saw this in TV Guide and I wanted to say this as there is a question mark after 38-40 as in you guys are thinking it's 38-40 but you're not sure. You should probably keep it there until the episode airs, but I'm just saying it anyways. DancingWithTheStarsGuy 20:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Thanks for editing it! DancingWithTheStarsGuy ( talk) 21:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, There's another AfD (Vote for Deletion) for the Laurel McGoff article. As one can see, Laurel clearly has enough content to have a standalone article, as a couple others within this page may eventually have (some have quite a bit of info). We (meaning myself ( talk) and Pak21 ( talk), the pusher for deletion) would appreciate comment and "votes" on the page, be they Keep or Delete. Have a great day everyone! VigilancePrime ( talk) 20:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC) :-)
The lead section, it doesn't say which country Kid Nation is filmed in or which country it is broadcast in. The reader is left to guess which country it is, or having to go to the CBS article and try and figure out which country CBS is based in and what countries CBS makes its television shows for. This isn't a United States TV guide, this is a world wide encyclopedia. You need to assume that anyone that could read this may not live in America, may not be familier with American time zones and may not be familier with towns and counties in the United States. JayKeaton ( talk) 09:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
For 12 episodes straight (the only exception being the last), Jonathan uses the exact same phrase 'worth its weight in gold; literally' to describe the worth of the gold stars. Surely this remarkable record may be worth mentioning, even just as trivia? Melaisis ( talk) 21:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the whole controversey should be its own article. Respond.-- Master of Pies ( talk) 22:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I am deleting the following from the "Second Season" paragraph in the main article: Season 2 has already been filmed[ citation needed ] with no official airdates, as CBS has opted not to air the show.
This rumor was started because one of the "Kid Nation" camera operators maintained a KN-oriented website (since closed) in which he (and some of the actual KN kids who posted there) answered some "behind the scenes" questions. Because so many kids wrote him and asked if he could get them on the show, he posted a long article on the message board telling everyone that KN2 had already been filmed. Several members of the message board posted that information on the other main sites, including both IMDb and the CBS board, and this rumor because fairly widespread.
According to information posted by Jonathan Karsh on his MySpace, he stated that there would be no KN2 because there were not enough potential advertisers to justify filming it, and because the production company did not get enough "applications" from kids wanting to be on the show. (I personally do not believe that about the applications, but that's just one person's opinion.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.17.171.226 ( talk) 23:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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Someone wrote on the article that she was 11.I think she was 11 in late-2007.Why does it say she's 11 in the whole article and not in the participants article?! 138.88.43.78 ( talk) 23:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
PLEASE REVIEW THE GUIDELINES FOR THE TALK PAGES!! This is not the place to discuss the show. This is a talk page for the ARTICLE! Xylogirl07 00:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
It is in New Mexico. -- Alx xlA 05:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Is Bonanza Town real, or did they just put up some buildings for the show? It is Real. Daman1234 18:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
It was filmed at Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.242.173 ( talk) 18:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor inserted the word "not" in the opening paragraph: "Participants were not paid $5000...". Please cite a source for this claim. The only source I could find was a Times article that said $5000 was paid. Matt Fitzpatrick 17:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
It was specifically said on the show that each participant recieved $5000.
At the end of eatch episode the council awards a cash prize (a gold star worth $20,000) to one of the kids in the city. The article needs to be corrected. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/fall_preview_2007/?source=reprise+google+Upfront_Kid-Nation+Kid
There is nothing to correct. This is true.
I like the charts. They exhibit an encyclopedia-like obsessiveness. They would be better understood with an accompanying explanation of what the column categories and color-codes mean, as well as why some of the participants haven't been assigned a color. Barte 02:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Everyone was assigned a color by the Town Council during the first episode. Three kids left the show (Jimmy, Cody, and Randi) and that is why they have a black spot on the chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelgirl ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I haven't found any information from the CBS website about when these 40 days took place in real life; it seems like January or February based on the cold weather. If anyone can find out, that would be an important piece of information to add, especially based on the cold weather affecting them in the second episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bmitchelf ( talk • contribs) 00:44, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
It was approximately around Febuarary and March. I'm not completely sure, but one of the kids was missing from school for approximately 40 days around this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.1.36 ( talk) 17:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
It was filmed from Apr.1 - May 10. I know this for an absolute fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.242.173 ( talk) 18:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
In an interview with Sophia and her mother Lori on the "Television Without Pity" website, the filming dates are given as April 1 to May 10. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.118.41 ( talk) 03:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The kids use an old form of United States currency known as Buffalo Nickels, officially Indian Head Nickels.
Thanks 24.46.123.59 15:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Can I assume that since she celebrated her birthday in the last episode and Jimmy, who is now gone, is the only contestant listed as being 8 years old, that Mallory is now the youngest contestant still on the show? I was thinking of adding that in the chart the way it says that Jimmy was the youngest. Ospinad 20:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we say what the two choices were instead of just saying which one they chose? including the ones where they didn't win either... Ospinad 20:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know enough about tables to make an informed suggestion about how to fix this, but — if a Yellow Team member's name is placed in the table in yellow, it is nearly impossible to see! Is it possible to use a darker yellow, or perhaps a yellow outlined in black? — Roger 01:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that CBS.com has "Welcome to Bonanza City, New Mexico" (here) as the title for Episode 1 and "Hungry for Fresh Meat" (here) for Episode 2. Tv.com has "I'm Trying to Be a Leader Here" (here) for Episode 1 and "To Kill or Not to Kill?" (here) for Episode 2. I changed our Overall Summary chart to reflect CBS' titles, because they are the network broadcaster. Please discuss. - zachinthebox ( User • Talk) 21:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm POSITIVE NASCAR Fan24 is right. I remember.
I just removed the {{ clean-up}} tag. The article looks pretty good to me. If someone else thinks it should be there, feel free to put it back, but please also provide a reason here. Thanks - Reuvenk T C 13:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I think having the results in a table is clearer -- Ahkat 21:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is easier and looks better to leave the columns to just Name (with color), Age, State, and Notes, to consolidate the other columns back to that one. All the empty boxes just look bad. The overall notes column would be especially fine because each kid only has one "note" so far, and no notes that fit into the notes column as it currently stands. bmitchelf• T• F 02:19, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I think we should change the participants list to be in some sort of order other than alphabetical. It would be much more useful to have them grouped by team, or by age, or something else. You can always use search to find the name you're looking for if you want to find a name, so alphabetical order doesn't make sens.e —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.73 ( talk) 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the next episode there will be a shakeup of teams, that means the participants table and any other item that indicates the team/color of a participant will need to be made flexible enough to show their old and new teams. Any ideas on how to do this? AlphaArry 02:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Why was my info about the cold sores removed? Most of the children have contracted some form of these and I presume its from each other. It is a serious health risk and should be documented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morthanley ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Why are cold sores so serious? (rhetorical question) does it even matter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.68.197 ( talk) 22:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
After making a few present-to-past tense edits, I realize I'm not sure which is appropriate. The show is airing now, but in a few months, it will have aired. As it was taped, all the events seen have already taken place. So I would think that most of the article should be written in the past tense, which is how it will live on long after the show is gone. Any thoughts? Barte 19:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
The first paragraph states that the show is hosted by Sean Connery, not true-it is actually hosted by Jonathan Karsh. Also, There is no Dance Club, or Liquor store... AND! There weren't 1million kids, 'aged 1-72.'
There were forty, and they range in age from 8-15.
The source doesn't say anything about these either...
I'm sure it was vandalized.
Kid Nation is a reality television show hosted by Sean Connery that premiered on the CBS network on September 19, 2007 and airs Wednesdays at 8:00 p.m. ET. The show, featuring 1,000,000 children aged 1 to 72, was shot at the Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch, a privately owned town built on the ruins of Bonanza City, New Mexico, eight miles south of Santa Fe,[1] with production beginning on April 1, 2007.[2] In the show, the children try to create a functioning dance club in the town, including setting up a liquor store with minimal adult help and supervision.[3] The program was originally scheduled to air in the summer of 2007.[4]
(Above is the article.)
And here is the "Source." [1]
Bryse 00:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it was vandalized again...
"During episode 5 of Kid Nation, Tyrone Biggums Jr. aquired several ounces of Peruvian cocaine from an illigal immigrant working in the town. He then cooked it up with baking soda, egg, and cinnamon, making crack."
That whole passage needs to be removed. —Preceding
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Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to add a short description of what the main theme was for each episode? For example, in the last episode the kids had to deal with the accumulating garbage problem, so each district chose a few members to carry the garbage out past the water pump and bury it. I think it will help to understand the names of each episode for the people who haven't seen them. Ospinad 16:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it is pretty good that we have ratings for each episode. However I think it is wrong to have them described by words in the Later Reaction section. I believe that that part is redundant since all the informations can be obtained by simply reviewing the table we've made. In that way reader will be allowed to form his own judgement instead reading the lines in last paragraph that can be a spin. For example article makes big deal about show shedding so many viewers comparing to the Premier while at the same time fails to point that ratings for Epissode 6 were second strongest. It is simply impractical to keep it there. What would happene in the next few episodes if ratings start to be volatile. For example: Raitings deeped but than got up, but than deeped a bit more, but than in next episode recovered a bit ...... and so on. I say, keep the things about sponsors (since that is the only way reader will see that information) and refer him to the table for ratings. What do you think? -- Trigor 12:36, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have seen an issue of World Magazine and article in USA Today that both criticized the fact that the kids had created a well functioning society, but then the adults chimed in and added a class system.They saw this as ruining the experiment with major adult involvement that proved to be less than helpful. This Wikipedia article should definitely mention that in the criticism section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.252.86.170 ( talk) 18:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Will add this here, since it fits as "Another Common Criticism".
Based on testimony cited in the Los Angeles Times, there was a lot more producer "involvement" in what the kids did and said than was admitted. The production company was very sensitive to this, because...if they admitted that the kids received a lot of "coaching" and suggested dialogue...the kids might actually fit the legal definition of being "child actors" instead of just being participants in a filmed documentary. That would require much more expense, based on union rules...including greater payment, catered meals, limits on filming time, tutors on the set, etc. That's the reason that...though many of the kids were recruited based on past theatrical experience...no kids were chosen from either California or New York due to the aggressive nature of AFTRA and Equity unions in both states.
Hey everyone,
# | Title | Days |
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1 | "I'm Trying to be a Leader Here!" | Days 1-4 |
Description | Forty kids from across America arrive in Bonanza City for 40 days and are immediately struck by the lack of comforts in their new home. Friendships emerge and teamwork ensues, issues arise and the first Town Council convenes. The first Gold Star, worth $20,000, is awarded on the series premiere. | |
Showdown | The districts had one hour to fill three large bottles with their own district-colored water by carrying oil gushers to certain spouts on the ground. All four teams completed the task in the allotted time. The Town Council chose seven more outhouses over an old fashioned television. | |
Gold Star | Sophia: The Town Council recognized Sophia's work ethic in the kitchen. It was a fairly easy decision for the Council, despite Sophia's voicing of complaints over what she saw as problems in the kitchen. | |
Exits | Jimmy:: Being the youngest contestant, Jimmy became homesick and decided to leave Bonanza, even though Cody, Laurel, and Campbell tried to convince him to stay. His decision came after three days of debate over his abilities versus what was expected of him. |
I notice that the chart of participants has an age column. Should this be the age of the participants when they started, or their current age at the time of a particular episode. For example Mallory was 8 when the show started, but she turned 9 during the course of the show. The chart indicates her current age. I might suggest that the chart represent the age of the participant at the beginning of the show.
Aren't they brothers? I was going to edit the chart, but I'm not absolutely sure. Kairyu512 01:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Nope, they are just friends, check out where they are from. AlphaArry 02:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Someone needs to fix those episode reviews because the really are bad. I want to know about other stuff than "exits" and gold star winners, like in the last episode the surprise election. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.30.176.172 ( talk) 22:20, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Do you think that it should be edited that DK, Greg, Blaine, and Micheal are going to run for their respective council positions in the end of the latest episode recap? Darkmeltdown 23:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as the red team's only concern was carrying enough rocks to win the reward, did anybody see evidence that red had enough rocks remaining, meaning that each team actually had the opportunity to carry 500 pounds of rocks? An unfair reward challenge would not only have been thematically significant to the episode, it's tampering with competitive elements. MMetro ( talk) 10:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of changing the colors of the kids who switched teams back to their original colors. Also I thought it might be a good idea to change the colors of the kids who've left to a dark grey or something to show that they are no longer on the show. It's probably more logical to keep the original colors of the kids who've switched and say in the Notes something like "moved to Yellow team on episode 9" instead of "originally on the Blue team" for the same reason why we are keeping Mallory's age at 8. Besides, Blaine for example was on the blue team for 9 out of 13 episodes which is the majority of the season. Or we can make two color columns for the people who have belonged to two districts so we can give them two different colors right next to each other. What do you think? Ospinad ( talk) 21:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's exactly it. I forget it because it doesn't affect me, but you need the letters in there for people who can't determine which color is which. Also, I think a split box would not allow for sortability. -- bmitchelf• T• F 22:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
If you Google the names of the characters (full names available at IMDB), some come up with a lot of reference points. Considering the significance of the town council members (they are in every episode, etc.), I find them "noteworthy" enough to have their own pages. In a spat of WikiDragon-ing, I put them up. I got two referenced and then ran out of steam, so four of them are only up in minimalist format mode only and need someone to go and add more content and reference them. It's easy, just a little labor-intensive. My only other thought is who else, if anyone, should have individual pages? Being more inclusionary rather than exclusionary, I think more are "worthy". All Gold Star winners? I think that Greg, Mallory and Olivia, (even) Divad and Sophia should have their own pages, as well as Jared and Alex, as they have been significant personas in the series as well. I'll leave all that hairsplitting to other Wikipedians, though (for now). Thoughts anyone? VigilancePrime ( talk) 23:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Down near the bottom, forget where, but it says something about no electricity or running water. It seems as if Mike, former council leader, brought along his Gameboy Advance SP and was playing it during the latest episode while they were critizing Guylan for bringing Nathan to the red district. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.234.75 ( talk) 02:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought that one big "selling point" for Bonanza Creek Movie Ranch was that it DOES have electricity and running water throughout...and therefore production companies do NOT have to bring in on-site generators. That "pioneer microwave" that the kids won during one of their showdowns had to run on something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.118.196 ( talk) 02:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I think the second box which is currently colored black should be turned into yellow since Randi left Bonanza after the District Changes. Phoenixmjs ( talk) 19:57, 21 November 2007 (PCT)
Question: Are there any legal issues with the choice of letters vs. ponies in episode 10? I believe US law makes it a crime to willfully misdirect or withhold mail. DoubleVibro ( talk) 04:56, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
They were simply notes written by every family to the kids as standard course on a reality show so it wasn't mail per se, thus not breaking any laws.
That's true. The parents were probably told it wasn't certain the kids would get them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelgirl ( talk • contribs) 15:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
...Is it really necessary to note something like that? It'd be like, "Sophia: Swore at Guylan in Episode Whatever." I don't think it's needed.
207.255.95.184 ( talk) 16:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I agree - several of the "notes" seem quite unnecessary, and maybe belong in the individual episode summaries rather than in the kids' boxes. 69.236.77.197 ( talk) 08:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever made the changes. =) 69.236.77.197 ( talk) 06:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Why have then links leading to List of Kid nation participants been removed? I didn't find any motions here for removing them. -- 91.185.115.12 ( talk) 11:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
"All four said they would happily do it again, although as Fernandez noted, "they haven't seen themselves on TV yet."[3]" This is typical newpaper type reporting and is unneccessary for Wikipedia. The actual first quote is mildly attributable, however the second quotation is purely a literary manipulation, implying that the Wikipedia agrees with the concept that once the children see themselves on t.v. that they won't want do the show any longer (which may or may not be a false assumption). At best it is speculation by the editor, at worst it is an attempt at persuading the readers to agree that kids not should not be exposed to these conditions, and is therefore an opinion. (I have not pulled this from the article, but I am irking to.)
Just wanted to say that it's confirmed that the final episode of Kid Nation will be on Dec. 12 and the days will be 38-40. I saw this in TV Guide and I wanted to say this as there is a question mark after 38-40 as in you guys are thinking it's 38-40 but you're not sure. You should probably keep it there until the episode airs, but I'm just saying it anyways. DancingWithTheStarsGuy 20:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Thanks for editing it! DancingWithTheStarsGuy ( talk) 21:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, There's another AfD (Vote for Deletion) for the Laurel McGoff article. As one can see, Laurel clearly has enough content to have a standalone article, as a couple others within this page may eventually have (some have quite a bit of info). We (meaning myself ( talk) and Pak21 ( talk), the pusher for deletion) would appreciate comment and "votes" on the page, be they Keep or Delete. Have a great day everyone! VigilancePrime ( talk) 20:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC) :-)
The lead section, it doesn't say which country Kid Nation is filmed in or which country it is broadcast in. The reader is left to guess which country it is, or having to go to the CBS article and try and figure out which country CBS is based in and what countries CBS makes its television shows for. This isn't a United States TV guide, this is a world wide encyclopedia. You need to assume that anyone that could read this may not live in America, may not be familier with American time zones and may not be familier with towns and counties in the United States. JayKeaton ( talk) 09:15, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
For 12 episodes straight (the only exception being the last), Jonathan uses the exact same phrase 'worth its weight in gold; literally' to describe the worth of the gold stars. Surely this remarkable record may be worth mentioning, even just as trivia? Melaisis ( talk) 21:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the whole controversey should be its own article. Respond.-- Master of Pies ( talk) 22:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I am deleting the following from the "Second Season" paragraph in the main article: Season 2 has already been filmed[ citation needed ] with no official airdates, as CBS has opted not to air the show.
This rumor was started because one of the "Kid Nation" camera operators maintained a KN-oriented website (since closed) in which he (and some of the actual KN kids who posted there) answered some "behind the scenes" questions. Because so many kids wrote him and asked if he could get them on the show, he posted a long article on the message board telling everyone that KN2 had already been filmed. Several members of the message board posted that information on the other main sites, including both IMDb and the CBS board, and this rumor because fairly widespread.
According to information posted by Jonathan Karsh on his MySpace, he stated that there would be no KN2 because there were not enough potential advertisers to justify filming it, and because the production company did not get enough "applications" from kids wanting to be on the show. (I personally do not believe that about the applications, but that's just one person's opinion.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.17.171.226 ( talk) 23:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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