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Where do these kho people live in Jammu and Kashmir and that too in such a heavy number of 1900. I looked at the Jammu and Kashmir page and there was no mention of Kho people in Jammu and Kashmir. Anyone who is editing this page should provide reliable sources. According to Rehmat Aziz Chitrali a famous chitrali linguist there are no more 1000 Kho people in India who live in Chatur district. Imazharyes ( talk) 00:50, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
See The Kho people: archaic Indo-Aryans. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: The link you provided in support of Kowar spoken in India contains no mention of Khowar. Provide the proper link, your link contains nothing as such.
@ Fylindfotberserk: I cannot open this link it requires a subscription and I seriously doubt the authenticity. Provide a survey conducted by the government of India or other such official statistics. I don't understand why are you referring to some commercial site. @ Fylindfotberserk: So, are you going to remove India from this article or should I remove it myself?
@ Fylindfotberserk: See, here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331844587_Genetic_structure_of_Kho_population_from_north-western_Pakistan_based_on_mtDNA_control_region_sequences
@ Fylindfotberserk: Welcome :) I got the Indian statistics, but now I'm going to update the statistics for Pakistan since the current figures are not official and without reference.
Might not be a strong argument, but it is a fact that many related languages are clubbed within a larger regional language in India. There are other ways of getting data on a population. Govt. census is one of them. CIA sources are also used. Though I'm not sure how Ethnologue does this. Since Ethnologue has been used reliably in a lot of articles, but your concerns are also legit, I'd like the discussion to be on the Khowar language article. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 12:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@
Patriotpk: The sentence on religion is divided in parts. The first part : The Kho people formerly practiced a religion that is akin to that observed by the Kalash today,..
was already sourced and only establishes the similarity between the religions of Kho and Kalash. The second part of the sentence only clarifies the type of religion followed by the Kalash not the Kho : ..which academics classify as ancient Hinduism or animism
which is also well sourced. Where is
WP:OR is that? Pinging
Anupam. -
Fylindfotberserk (
talk)
07:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
..however, it is quite clear that the pre-Islamic culture of the Kho was of the Peristani type, and probably akin to that of the Kalasha". I'll add that part. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 08:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Only the first sentence is about Khowar which says their religion is akin to that of Kalasg doesn't explicitly mentions Hinduism or if it is the same religion. The second sentence is about Kalash and sources don't mention Khowar. Blending sources to prove your point is violation and original research. Read the sources first.
Patriotpk (
talk) 08:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban evading sock --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Patriotpk:, Now keep the discussion here. And wait for Anupam to join us - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 08:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Who is Anupam? Is he some sort of authority on the topic?
Patriotpk (
talk) 08:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban-evading sock --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Anyone with no knowledge of History and just good at playing with keyboard should not edit wikipedia or he'll destroy it. Yes, limit the discussion to Khowar people and let people learn from Kalash pages about their religion. Why would you deliberately change others beliefs about a community just by linking information? You are emphasising your point here.
Patriotpk (
talk) 08:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban-evading sock --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
You are not a historian, neither is Anupum. If there are contradictory things leave them to historians. Your job is not to provide explanations from other articles to prove your point or change other's opinions. That clearly is original research. It doesn't matter for how it is there. If it's wrong it's wrong. Second, I don't know why are you so much interested in Pakistani pages, if you are trying to relate yourself to indigenous communities of Central Asia that is not just racism but clearly shows your inferiority complex. I see from your user page that you believe yourself to be a decendent of some Aryan, white Scythian race whatever. If someone in the past pegged your mothers during invasions doesn't mean you legitimately belong to them. Beloved Shudderas please edit your own pages and your own history. Leave Pakistan to Pakistanis.
Patriotpk (
talk) 15:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban-evading sock -
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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Where do these kho people live in Jammu and Kashmir and that too in such a heavy number of 1900. I looked at the Jammu and Kashmir page and there was no mention of Kho people in Jammu and Kashmir. Anyone who is editing this page should provide reliable sources. According to Rehmat Aziz Chitrali a famous chitrali linguist there are no more 1000 Kho people in India who live in Chatur district. Imazharyes ( talk) 00:50, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
See The Kho people: archaic Indo-Aryans. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Fylindfotberserk: The link you provided in support of Kowar spoken in India contains no mention of Khowar. Provide the proper link, your link contains nothing as such.
@ Fylindfotberserk: I cannot open this link it requires a subscription and I seriously doubt the authenticity. Provide a survey conducted by the government of India or other such official statistics. I don't understand why are you referring to some commercial site. @ Fylindfotberserk: So, are you going to remove India from this article or should I remove it myself?
@ Fylindfotberserk: See, here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331844587_Genetic_structure_of_Kho_population_from_north-western_Pakistan_based_on_mtDNA_control_region_sequences
@ Fylindfotberserk: Welcome :) I got the Indian statistics, but now I'm going to update the statistics for Pakistan since the current figures are not official and without reference.
Might not be a strong argument, but it is a fact that many related languages are clubbed within a larger regional language in India. There are other ways of getting data on a population. Govt. census is one of them. CIA sources are also used. Though I'm not sure how Ethnologue does this. Since Ethnologue has been used reliably in a lot of articles, but your concerns are also legit, I'd like the discussion to be on the Khowar language article. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 12:57, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
@
Patriotpk: The sentence on religion is divided in parts. The first part : The Kho people formerly practiced a religion that is akin to that observed by the Kalash today,..
was already sourced and only establishes the similarity between the religions of Kho and Kalash. The second part of the sentence only clarifies the type of religion followed by the Kalash not the Kho : ..which academics classify as ancient Hinduism or animism
which is also well sourced. Where is
WP:OR is that? Pinging
Anupam. -
Fylindfotberserk (
talk)
07:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
..however, it is quite clear that the pre-Islamic culture of the Kho was of the Peristani type, and probably akin to that of the Kalasha". I'll add that part. - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 08:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Only the first sentence is about Khowar which says their religion is akin to that of Kalasg doesn't explicitly mentions Hinduism or if it is the same religion. The second sentence is about Kalash and sources don't mention Khowar. Blending sources to prove your point is violation and original research. Read the sources first.
Patriotpk (
talk) 08:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban evading sock --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Patriotpk:, Now keep the discussion here. And wait for Anupam to join us - Fylindfotberserk ( talk) 08:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Who is Anupam? Is he some sort of authority on the topic?
Patriotpk (
talk) 08:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban-evading sock --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Anyone with no knowledge of History and just good at playing with keyboard should not edit wikipedia or he'll destroy it. Yes, limit the discussion to Khowar people and let people learn from Kalash pages about their religion. Why would you deliberately change others beliefs about a community just by linking information? You are emphasising your point here.
Patriotpk (
talk) 08:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban-evading sock --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
You are not a historian, neither is Anupum. If there are contradictory things leave them to historians. Your job is not to provide explanations from other articles to prove your point or change other's opinions. That clearly is original research. It doesn't matter for how it is there. If it's wrong it's wrong. Second, I don't know why are you so much interested in Pakistani pages, if you are trying to relate yourself to indigenous communities of Central Asia that is not just racism but clearly shows your inferiority complex. I see from your user page that you believe yourself to be a decendent of some Aryan, white Scythian race whatever. If someone in the past pegged your mothers during invasions doesn't mean you legitimately belong to them. Beloved Shudderas please edit your own pages and your own history. Leave Pakistan to Pakistanis.
Patriotpk (
talk) 15:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC) Ban-evading sock -
Kautilya3 (
talk)
21:38, 27 January 2020 (UTC)