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I reverted this. There are a number of reasons, a major one being that the name section is OR, since the sources are discussing the origins of the names of places situated within the tell and not the tell itself. Another reason is the conflation of Sennabris, Bet Yerah and Philoteria, which by my reading of the sources is incorrect. Please discuss these changes here should you desire to pursue them. Thanks. Tiamut talk 18:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
In Greek sources the name is transcribed as Sennabris. The name stems from Sinn, the Mesopotamian moon god. During this period, like many ancient cities in the region, it was given a Greek name, Philoteria, by Ptolemy II Philadelphus for his sister, as indicated by remains dating to the Ptolemaic rule (3rd century BCE). [1] [2]
I'm proposing a merger in order for us to get a wider perspective, although I'm not sure that there will be any consensus.-- Sreifa ( talk) 06:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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help page).I propose that Al-Sinnabra be merged into Khirbet Kerak. I think that the content in the Al-Sinnabra article can easily be explained in the context of Khirbet Kerak, and the Khirbet Kerak article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Al-Sinnabra will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Breaking the article down into two periods of the same site, takes each article out of context. Sreifa ( talk) 05:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Support merger in accordance with my overall belief that articles in Israel about the same place should be merged with few exceptions. There is no WP:SIZE issue here that we can't include all the content from al-Sinnabra here. However, the merger itself might prove difficult because they are two fairly large articles. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Support. I don't see the point of the fork. It's the same site, and although the palace and tel are not synonymous, that doesn't justify separate articles. It's the nature of archaeological sites that they reveal growth and decline in different periods, sometimes they expand to cover a large area and sometimes they contract to a single structure. We shouldn't have a different articles for every unique habitation layer, as interesting as each may be, unless we're talking about a very significant site with a long and detailed history. Let's face it, Khirbet Kerak isn't exactly Eboracum. The two articles simply aren't large enough to justify separate articles. The fact that there are multiple sources discussing each separately is no justification either. Focusing on a single layer or period of habitation is rather run-of-the-mill archaeological practice. Poliocretes ( talk) 08:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Support. Same reasons as few from above wrote.
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HonorTheKing (
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Oppose per Tiamut. Until recently these were never treated as the same place, I don't think merging them makes sense at the moment. I'd claim we are looking at two different villages that while they intersected in place are so far removed in time and context to be different. Hobit ( talk) 12:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
The article uses two different era systems, the BCE-CE system, and the christian system. The original system used is the christian system, so the first thing that should be done is to change all the BCE instances within the article over to the christian one.
Personally, I prefer the BCE-CE system, and would recommend just switching to that, but there is inevitably going to be an drawn-out argument over that, but speedy consistency should be priority, and arguing to achieve consensus to switch to BCE-CE (if there will be such an argument) should take place only after. Anyone willing to change the "BCE"s over to the other one? (If it was from the christian to BCE-CE, I would do it, but I edit eras going the other direction, which is the situation here.) —
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It seems that there is one tell, with two settlement sites which existed in parallel (twin towns) only during SOME periods. Can that be explicitely confirmed?
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I reverted this. There are a number of reasons, a major one being that the name section is OR, since the sources are discussing the origins of the names of places situated within the tell and not the tell itself. Another reason is the conflation of Sennabris, Bet Yerah and Philoteria, which by my reading of the sources is incorrect. Please discuss these changes here should you desire to pursue them. Thanks. Tiamut talk 18:00, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
In Greek sources the name is transcribed as Sennabris. The name stems from Sinn, the Mesopotamian moon god. During this period, like many ancient cities in the region, it was given a Greek name, Philoteria, by Ptolemy II Philadelphus for his sister, as indicated by remains dating to the Ptolemaic rule (3rd century BCE). [1] [2]
I'm proposing a merger in order for us to get a wider perspective, although I'm not sure that there will be any consensus.-- Sreifa ( talk) 06:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
References
Safraip12
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).I propose that Al-Sinnabra be merged into Khirbet Kerak. I think that the content in the Al-Sinnabra article can easily be explained in the context of Khirbet Kerak, and the Khirbet Kerak article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Al-Sinnabra will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Breaking the article down into two periods of the same site, takes each article out of context. Sreifa ( talk) 05:04, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Support merger in accordance with my overall belief that articles in Israel about the same place should be merged with few exceptions. There is no WP:SIZE issue here that we can't include all the content from al-Sinnabra here. However, the merger itself might prove difficult because they are two fairly large articles. — Ynhockey ( Talk) 21:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Support. I don't see the point of the fork. It's the same site, and although the palace and tel are not synonymous, that doesn't justify separate articles. It's the nature of archaeological sites that they reveal growth and decline in different periods, sometimes they expand to cover a large area and sometimes they contract to a single structure. We shouldn't have a different articles for every unique habitation layer, as interesting as each may be, unless we're talking about a very significant site with a long and detailed history. Let's face it, Khirbet Kerak isn't exactly Eboracum. The two articles simply aren't large enough to justify separate articles. The fact that there are multiple sources discussing each separately is no justification either. Focusing on a single layer or period of habitation is rather run-of-the-mill archaeological practice. Poliocretes ( talk) 08:56, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Support. Same reasons as few from above wrote.
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HonorTheKing (
talk) 05:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Oppose per Tiamut. Until recently these were never treated as the same place, I don't think merging them makes sense at the moment. I'd claim we are looking at two different villages that while they intersected in place are so far removed in time and context to be different. Hobit ( talk) 12:32, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
The article uses two different era systems, the BCE-CE system, and the christian system. The original system used is the christian system, so the first thing that should be done is to change all the BCE instances within the article over to the christian one.
Personally, I prefer the BCE-CE system, and would recommend just switching to that, but there is inevitably going to be an drawn-out argument over that, but speedy consistency should be priority, and arguing to achieve consensus to switch to BCE-CE (if there will be such an argument) should take place only after. Anyone willing to change the "BCE"s over to the other one? (If it was from the christian to BCE-CE, I would do it, but I edit eras going the other direction, which is the situation here.) —
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It seems that there is one tell, with two settlement sites which existed in parallel (twin towns) only during SOME periods. Can that be explicitely confirmed?
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