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These comments, made by fellow Republican congressman Justin Amash, are relevant to the article as they convey McCarthy’s reputation within Congress. But I will post them here prior to editing the article in case someone is able to point out a credible reason to exclude this information.
"I met a lot of duplicitous people in Congress but none more conniving and fundamentally dishonest than Kevin McCarthy. He will say or do whatever he thinks is necessary at a particular moment to obtain or maintain power."
https://www.businessinsider.com/justin-amash-kevin-mccarthy-conniving-and-fundamentally-dishonest-2022-4 Harmlesshumanist ( talk) 17:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Kevin McCarthy.. There is a consensus that this subject is the primary topic. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 00:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Kevin McCarthy (California politician) → Kevin McCarthy (politician) – The House Minority Leader is the clear primary topic for the politician, even if it is not the primary topic for the person. Interstellarity ( talk) 20:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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Mccarthy isn't speaker yet?? Why does it say he is 69.80.22.185 ( talk) 13:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
So there's no confusion. If McCarthy does get elected Speaker of the House, he'll be sworn in as the 55th Speaker. Remember that Pelosi was/is 52nd, Boehner was the 53rd & Ryan was the 54th. The speakers are counted only once, regardless of whether they serve consecutive terms or not. GoodDay ( talk) 06:36, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Adumbrativus ( talk) 20:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Kevin McCarthy → Kevin McCarthy (California politician) – The previous move was premature. There is still a chance that he does not become Speaker of the House. [1] [2]. The page views are just the result of WP:RECENTISM because he is in the news. Suggest that the move be reverted and be moved back to the original title until he actually becomes Speaker. Unless he wins, he lacks long-term significance to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Shwcz ( talk) 15:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Could you please revert this unexplained removal of source, especially since it didn't remove the material it was supporting. Since the page is locked, I cannot 2001:8003:34A3:800:3991:1F5E:E9FA:485F ( talk) 06:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Why does this article not mention Mr. McCarthy's attendance at the World Economic Forum? Given the influence of this organization, it would make sense for it to at least be mentioned.
Sources: https://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2016/sessions/priorities-for-the-united-states-in-2016 https://www3.weforum.org/docs/Media/AM16/AM16_Programme.pdf https://www.weforum.org/people/kevin-mccarthy https://rollcall.com/2016/01/22/mccarthy-discusses-the-economy-in-davos/ https://www.crunchbase.com/person/kevin-mccarthy-6 2601:43:200:A8C0:46FC:2D0B:58AC:76AB ( talk) 05:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org. Remove the word "false" in paragraph 4, line 2. Wikipedia must not make judgements about issues like this. 2601:8C0:381:1410:C5DC:6FA0:B56F:856C ( talk) 00:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC) Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org.
Given that McCarthy is currently in the process of becoming the Speaker of the House, would it be appropriate to add the {{ Current person}} tag? GuardianH ( talk) 04:37, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I know I'm being too nit-picky. But shouldn't we wait until he's sworn in as the 55th Speaker? At the rate they're going in the House chamber, is seems like it's gonna take a half-hour or more. GoodDay ( talk) 05:52, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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* Specific text to be added or removed: Remove Republican Leader, Majority Leader * Reason for the change: Steve Scalise is now Republican Leader, any social or web links to Republican Leader/Majority Leader are not accurate for Speaker McCarthy and ultimately lead to other members' pages. Only Speaker.gov, @SpeakerMcCarthy are correct across socials * References supporting change: https://www.majorityleader.gov/ https://www.speaker.gov/
Goatcheeseisgoat ( talk) 17:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it was removed from the infobox but I added it back in, feel free to let me know if I made a mistake, but it seems appropriate to include it. Derpytoucan ( talk) 05:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The line "After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, McCarthy supported Trump's false denial of Biden's victory" is not supported by the citation; in fact the cited article is to the contrary. The citation is to a Business Insider piece that criticizes McCarthy for declaring Trump the winner at a time when no winner had yet been called (this was on Thursday of election week). The text in this piece changes that to " *After Joe Biden won*". Suggesting, as this sentence does, that McCarthy made the statement after Biden had been declared the winner is highly misleading at best, and flatly false at worst. Dougmock ( talk) 19:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Sentence ‘After the January 6 United States Capitol attack, McCarthy blamed Trump for the riot and reversed his previous comments on their being voter fraud in the election’.
Should be there not their, tried to correct but article is locked. 2A00:23C7:FA4:4701:2D26:1ED9:8960:2F96 ( talk) 19:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Sentence 'In February 2023, McCarthy leaked thousands of hours of CCTV footage of the January 6 Capitol attack to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson.'
The word 'leaked' incorrectly implies that the release of the footage was illicit or surreptitious. It should be replaced with 'released.' YeshayaRoth ( talk) 07:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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"As speaker, he worked with the Biden administration to resolve the 2023 debt-ceiling crisis and prevent what would have been a first-ever national default."
This seems like fluff/highly imprecise wording. It leads to the impression that McCarthy played no-role in establishing the crisis to begin with. It makes it sound like that crisis is something that just happened that McCarthy resolved, rather than a stand-off between McCarthy and Biden which was negotiated to an end. SecretName101 ( talk) 22:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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Under House Minority Leader make Nancy Pelosi's name a link. Basically, adding Nancy Pelosi Jvrucker ( talk) 13:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
It struck me reading the article, particularly today, that it omits an important fact about McCarthy: He is surely the most effective House Speaker in American history, and indeed many observers consider him to be so. 2601:285:200:CD60:9D81:87AE:5351:1527 ( talk) 21:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Kevin McCarthy is a current Congressman. He is not Speaker of the House of Representatives. KentStraith ( talk) 20:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Kevin Owen McCarthy is no longer the Speaker of the House since today, as it happened live on television. SkylarArte ( talk) 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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He is no longer speaker of the house 2603:6010:4BF0:270:93DB:7CEE:40FC:2A46 ( talk) 21:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
"No House speaker has ever before been ousted through the passage of a resolution to remove them." - [3]. This is a historical remove. As we can see, the source is CNN. 2620:10D:C090:500:0:0:5:6F39 ( talk) 21:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I feel McCarthy being ousted is worthy enough for its own article. TheCorrectPanda ( talk) 21:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Technically, the office of Speaker and the position of Speaker pro tempore are not the same office. The US Constitution requires the Speaker to gain a majority vote to assume office, therefore the office of Speaker is vacant. I think this is imporant enough to put on McCarthy's infobox instead of listing McHenry as the successor pro tempore.
My suggestion was to put the successor as Vacant, and then but an explanatory footnote explaining everything.
WezouskyMike ( talk) 22:24, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
he said on cnn he is now a democrat 24.205.76.134 ( talk) 24.205.76.134 ( talk) 10:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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Some facts that illustrate the unique brevity of McCarthy’s tenure as speaker. One or more of these might be worth adding, if property sourced.
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Even though McCarthy had been removed as speaker, as of more than two weeks after his ouster, he refused to leave the physical premises of the office he had occupied in that role. [1]
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McCarthy has remained in use of the speaker's office during the vacancy of the speakership position. [2] [3] [4]
Reason: It may be a good idea to write the statement in a more neutral, less charged way with additional sources (and fixed formatting for current source). Worth noting that there are other articles that mention this fact in peripheral, to note how people have been meeting in his speaker's office to strategize during the ongoing speaker election process. 104.175.78.152 ( talk) 23:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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After winning the speakership in his acceptance speach Mike Johnson refered to Kevin McCarthy as "Our Speaker Emeritus" granting him the honorable title Jhartman087 ( talk) 03:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
His resignation from the House should be in the lead once, summarizing a longer entry somewhere in the body. It shouldn't be in the lead twice and nowhere in the body. -- Pemilligan ( talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Am I missing something here? It appears that the "Post-speakership" section is horribly out of place, and should also be subtitled to show his perfunctory resignation from Congress(!) I'm going to move it to where I think it should go; if I'm not taking something into account, here, somebody with a better understanding of the situation can revert the edit. Chachap ( talk) 01:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I think the issues that Republicans are having with governing in the House and their reliance on Democrats to pass key legislation may warrant its own article. I have created a draft, Draft:2023–24 House of Representatives legislative coalition, which I think talk page watchers of this page may be interested in. I would love help and suggestions, including those from people who don't believe this warrants an article at all. Thanks! Esolo5002 ( talk) 19:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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These comments, made by fellow Republican congressman Justin Amash, are relevant to the article as they convey McCarthy’s reputation within Congress. But I will post them here prior to editing the article in case someone is able to point out a credible reason to exclude this information.
"I met a lot of duplicitous people in Congress but none more conniving and fundamentally dishonest than Kevin McCarthy. He will say or do whatever he thinks is necessary at a particular moment to obtain or maintain power."
https://www.businessinsider.com/justin-amash-kevin-mccarthy-conniving-and-fundamentally-dishonest-2022-4 Harmlesshumanist ( talk) 17:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Kevin McCarthy.. There is a consensus that this subject is the primary topic. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 00:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
Kevin McCarthy (California politician) → Kevin McCarthy (politician) – The House Minority Leader is the clear primary topic for the politician, even if it is not the primary topic for the person. Interstellarity ( talk) 20:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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Mccarthy isn't speaker yet?? Why does it say he is 69.80.22.185 ( talk) 13:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
So there's no confusion. If McCarthy does get elected Speaker of the House, he'll be sworn in as the 55th Speaker. Remember that Pelosi was/is 52nd, Boehner was the 53rd & Ryan was the 54th. The speakers are counted only once, regardless of whether they serve consecutive terms or not. GoodDay ( talk) 06:36, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( non-admin closure) Adumbrativus ( talk) 20:48, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Kevin McCarthy → Kevin McCarthy (California politician) – The previous move was premature. There is still a chance that he does not become Speaker of the House. [1] [2]. The page views are just the result of WP:RECENTISM because he is in the news. Suggest that the move be reverted and be moved back to the original title until he actually becomes Speaker. Unless he wins, he lacks long-term significance to be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Shwcz ( talk) 15:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Could you please revert this unexplained removal of source, especially since it didn't remove the material it was supporting. Since the page is locked, I cannot 2001:8003:34A3:800:3991:1F5E:E9FA:485F ( talk) 06:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Why does this article not mention Mr. McCarthy's attendance at the World Economic Forum? Given the influence of this organization, it would make sense for it to at least be mentioned.
Sources: https://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2016/sessions/priorities-for-the-united-states-in-2016 https://www3.weforum.org/docs/Media/AM16/AM16_Programme.pdf https://www.weforum.org/people/kevin-mccarthy https://rollcall.com/2016/01/22/mccarthy-discusses-the-economy-in-davos/ https://www.crunchbase.com/person/kevin-mccarthy-6 2601:43:200:A8C0:46FC:2D0B:58AC:76AB ( talk) 05:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org. Remove the word "false" in paragraph 4, line 2. Wikipedia must not make judgements about issues like this. 2601:8C0:381:1410:C5DC:6FA0:B56F:856C ( talk) 00:56, 7 January 2023 (UTC) Saying Trump's question about the 2020 election as "false" is inappropriate for wikipedia.org.
Given that McCarthy is currently in the process of becoming the Speaker of the House, would it be appropriate to add the {{ Current person}} tag? GuardianH ( talk) 04:37, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
Ok, I know I'm being too nit-picky. But shouldn't we wait until he's sworn in as the 55th Speaker? At the rate they're going in the House chamber, is seems like it's gonna take a half-hour or more. GoodDay ( talk) 05:52, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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* Specific text to be added or removed: Remove Republican Leader, Majority Leader * Reason for the change: Steve Scalise is now Republican Leader, any social or web links to Republican Leader/Majority Leader are not accurate for Speaker McCarthy and ultimately lead to other members' pages. Only Speaker.gov, @SpeakerMcCarthy are correct across socials * References supporting change: https://www.majorityleader.gov/ https://www.speaker.gov/
Goatcheeseisgoat ( talk) 17:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it was removed from the infobox but I added it back in, feel free to let me know if I made a mistake, but it seems appropriate to include it. Derpytoucan ( talk) 05:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
The line "After Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election, McCarthy supported Trump's false denial of Biden's victory" is not supported by the citation; in fact the cited article is to the contrary. The citation is to a Business Insider piece that criticizes McCarthy for declaring Trump the winner at a time when no winner had yet been called (this was on Thursday of election week). The text in this piece changes that to " *After Joe Biden won*". Suggesting, as this sentence does, that McCarthy made the statement after Biden had been declared the winner is highly misleading at best, and flatly false at worst. Dougmock ( talk) 19:50, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Sentence ‘After the January 6 United States Capitol attack, McCarthy blamed Trump for the riot and reversed his previous comments on their being voter fraud in the election’.
Should be there not their, tried to correct but article is locked. 2A00:23C7:FA4:4701:2D26:1ED9:8960:2F96 ( talk) 19:22, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Sentence 'In February 2023, McCarthy leaked thousands of hours of CCTV footage of the January 6 Capitol attack to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson.'
The word 'leaked' incorrectly implies that the release of the footage was illicit or surreptitious. It should be replaced with 'released.' YeshayaRoth ( talk) 07:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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"As speaker, he worked with the Biden administration to resolve the 2023 debt-ceiling crisis and prevent what would have been a first-ever national default."
This seems like fluff/highly imprecise wording. It leads to the impression that McCarthy played no-role in establishing the crisis to begin with. It makes it sound like that crisis is something that just happened that McCarthy resolved, rather than a stand-off between McCarthy and Biden which was negotiated to an end. SecretName101 ( talk) 22:07, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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Under House Minority Leader make Nancy Pelosi's name a link. Basically, adding Nancy Pelosi Jvrucker ( talk) 13:40, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
It struck me reading the article, particularly today, that it omits an important fact about McCarthy: He is surely the most effective House Speaker in American history, and indeed many observers consider him to be so. 2601:285:200:CD60:9D81:87AE:5351:1527 ( talk) 21:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
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Kevin McCarthy is a current Congressman. He is not Speaker of the House of Representatives. KentStraith ( talk) 20:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Kevin Owen McCarthy is no longer the Speaker of the House since today, as it happened live on television. SkylarArte ( talk) 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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He is no longer speaker of the house 2603:6010:4BF0:270:93DB:7CEE:40FC:2A46 ( talk) 21:07, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
"No House speaker has ever before been ousted through the passage of a resolution to remove them." - [3]. This is a historical remove. As we can see, the source is CNN. 2620:10D:C090:500:0:0:5:6F39 ( talk) 21:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
I feel McCarthy being ousted is worthy enough for its own article. TheCorrectPanda ( talk) 21:27, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
Technically, the office of Speaker and the position of Speaker pro tempore are not the same office. The US Constitution requires the Speaker to gain a majority vote to assume office, therefore the office of Speaker is vacant. I think this is imporant enough to put on McCarthy's infobox instead of listing McHenry as the successor pro tempore.
My suggestion was to put the successor as Vacant, and then but an explanatory footnote explaining everything.
WezouskyMike ( talk) 22:24, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
he said on cnn he is now a democrat 24.205.76.134 ( talk) 24.205.76.134 ( talk) 10:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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Some facts that illustrate the unique brevity of McCarthy’s tenure as speaker. One or more of these might be worth adding, if property sourced.
If my research is correct:
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Even though McCarthy had been removed as speaker, as of more than two weeks after his ouster, he refused to leave the physical premises of the office he had occupied in that role. [1]
(change to)
McCarthy has remained in use of the speaker's office during the vacancy of the speakership position. [2] [3] [4]
Reason: It may be a good idea to write the statement in a more neutral, less charged way with additional sources (and fixed formatting for current source). Worth noting that there are other articles that mention this fact in peripheral, to note how people have been meeting in his speaker's office to strategize during the ongoing speaker election process. 104.175.78.152 ( talk) 23:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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After winning the speakership in his acceptance speach Mike Johnson refered to Kevin McCarthy as "Our Speaker Emeritus" granting him the honorable title Jhartman087 ( talk) 03:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
His resignation from the House should be in the lead once, summarizing a longer entry somewhere in the body. It shouldn't be in the lead twice and nowhere in the body. -- Pemilligan ( talk) 18:46, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Am I missing something here? It appears that the "Post-speakership" section is horribly out of place, and should also be subtitled to show his perfunctory resignation from Congress(!) I'm going to move it to where I think it should go; if I'm not taking something into account, here, somebody with a better understanding of the situation can revert the edit. Chachap ( talk) 01:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I think the issues that Republicans are having with governing in the House and their reliance on Democrats to pass key legislation may warrant its own article. I have created a draft, Draft:2023–24 House of Representatives legislative coalition, which I think talk page watchers of this page may be interested in. I would love help and suggestions, including those from people who don't believe this warrants an article at all. Thanks! Esolo5002 ( talk) 19:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)