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I changed “state television Russia-24...” to “state owned television Russia-24...” as it more accurately reflects the nature of the organization. A television channel owned or funded by a state is not the same as a state television channel.
The former has at least nominal editorial independence from the state, while the latter implies that the station is an extension of the state and its propaganda apparatus itself. User2346 ( talk) 02:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Someone butchered that word, what was it supposed to be? Nusent 14:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Information about the political status of Crimea was deleted from the Infobox today. Why would would we assume all English speakers know the current political status of Crimea when explaining this hardly takes up space in the Inbox. Wikipedia should not place design over information. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps this is a calque for something meaningful in Russian, but it ain’t English. Qwirkle ( talk) 19:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The source for that factoid in the article is hardly trustworthy. It's from an unremarkable outlet whose only source is the family's "former neighbors". This is a current event and thus a lot of media outlets will publish unreliable info. Please review this bit for reliability. 77.234.195.118 ( talk) 07:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I've raised it here as an error, as the mainpage has 19 and the article has 21. Which is correct? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Photos sometimes do speak for themselves, and when they do, we should let them. Qwirkle ( talk) 22:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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From the article: " A Telegraph article also noted how the shooting was the latest in half a dozen school attacks in Russia in 2018, although the previous incidents involved knives and traumatic pistols rather than high-powered firearms.[32]" Can anyone explain what a "traumatic pistol" is? Laughable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.109.17.195 ( talk) 06:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
This article should include information on how many victims were injured from the bomb. 70 people were injured in the attack, that is a very large number. It seems unlikely most of the 70 were injured by gunfire. 158.222.178.138 ( talk) 13:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Information about the bomb needs clarification, the first reports were about the explosion of gas in the canteen. Photos of victims with extensive burns and burnt clothing weighty argument in favor of the authenticity of the first reports and later created legend of the shooting of the young man Roslyakov. АСмуров ( talk) 05:14, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
The presence of a significant number of firefighters and representatives of the Organization of control of gas equipment at the college also speaks about the explosion of gas and legend about bombs and Strelka Roslyakov. АСмуров ( talk) 05:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Kerch shooter scored more fatalities than Columbine Massacre. Why isn't it a Kerch Massacre? -- KpoT ( talk) 18:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
There is a strong media coverage of membership of both the killer and his mother in local community of Jehovah's Witnesses. The sources include frontline Russian media [1] [2] [3]. There were doubts about his own activity in the organization until investigators recovered burned pages of the Bible with his remarks, he burned the book along with all other his personal belongings. [4] [5] There is expert opinion that doomsday cult of Jehovah's Witnesses impacted mental health of the perpetrator [6]. This important information sometimes appears in the article but someone removes it with no explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.142.135.22 ( talk) 06:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Obviously, the fact that Russian sources, and official ones, are taking this tack should be included. Obviously, the article should report the statements, not endorse them. Qwirkle ( talk) 17:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Agreed, the info about the sect should be added to the body. I mean before I added the mention of the sect yesterday the page mentioned how he burned the bible without even stating that his controlling mother belonged to the sect, even though it stands to reason the two events were related. Also, I think this talk page is being brigaded by the sect's members. At least that's the only explanation I can fathom as to why any mention of the sect was being constantly removed from the article. Openlydialectic ( talk) 04:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
The lead currently states that the attack "…ended the series of similarly inspired crimes in the same year…"
. What does this mean? Have there been a series of Columbine-inspired attacks in Crimea and/or Russia that I never heard about, and is there any way we could incorporate a wikilink to explain that? And what about how it "ended" the series? How do we know this it the end? —
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There is no reference to the source of information about portrait identification of young people in photos to the article. Correctly sign-unknown people, not Roslyakov and criminal. АСмуров ( talk) 09:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
There is no information from 12 hours 17 minutes of Moscow time on October 17, 2018 on the explosion of gas in the college canteen, numerous victims, the arrival of fire engines and gas service. АСмуров ( talk) 09:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
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This article has no information on how many victims were injured from the bombing and no info stating if any deaths were due to the bomb/bombs that exploded. 70 people were injured in the attack, that is a large number of people. Seems very likely most of the 70 were injured by bombs and not guns. Can anyone include that information in the article? 158.222.178.138 ( talk) 12:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
For some reason most american media outlets didn't wan't to cover this story, which is crazy since it involved a teenager killing 20 people. As far as I know this is the deadliest single person school attack in Ukraine/Russia's history. Don't tell me that are current relationship with Russia is the reason why this story was ignored, i will remember this one forever mainly because Roslyakov was my age and he killed 20 people with a shotgun and bombs, this is like if the original plan of Columbine was successful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8880:19B6:D9EF:4574:8575:E8A4 ( talk) 08:44, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Apparently, one victim died in 2019. 2601:408:8001:120:A121:6F34:71CC:FA8B ( talk) 06:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The perpetrator section reads like it was written by a friend. It should be deleted and rewritten to include only information that has sources. The amount of subjective information in this article is ridiculous. 2601:405:8400:1AD4:B985:61FD:4D30:8055 ( talk) 02:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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I changed “state television Russia-24...” to “state owned television Russia-24...” as it more accurately reflects the nature of the organization. A television channel owned or funded by a state is not the same as a state television channel.
The former has at least nominal editorial independence from the state, while the latter implies that the station is an extension of the state and its propaganda apparatus itself. User2346 ( talk) 02:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Someone butchered that word, what was it supposed to be? Nusent 14:59, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Information about the political status of Crimea was deleted from the Infobox today. Why would would we assume all English speakers know the current political status of Crimea when explaining this hardly takes up space in the Inbox. Wikipedia should not place design over information. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps this is a calque for something meaningful in Russian, but it ain’t English. Qwirkle ( talk) 19:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The source for that factoid in the article is hardly trustworthy. It's from an unremarkable outlet whose only source is the family's "former neighbors". This is a current event and thus a lot of media outlets will publish unreliable info. Please review this bit for reliability. 77.234.195.118 ( talk) 07:53, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I've raised it here as an error, as the mainpage has 19 and the article has 21. Which is correct? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Photos sometimes do speak for themselves, and when they do, we should let them. Qwirkle ( talk) 22:28, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 00:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
From the article: " A Telegraph article also noted how the shooting was the latest in half a dozen school attacks in Russia in 2018, although the previous incidents involved knives and traumatic pistols rather than high-powered firearms.[32]" Can anyone explain what a "traumatic pistol" is? Laughable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.109.17.195 ( talk) 06:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
This article should include information on how many victims were injured from the bomb. 70 people were injured in the attack, that is a very large number. It seems unlikely most of the 70 were injured by gunfire. 158.222.178.138 ( talk) 13:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Information about the bomb needs clarification, the first reports were about the explosion of gas in the canteen. Photos of victims with extensive burns and burnt clothing weighty argument in favor of the authenticity of the first reports and later created legend of the shooting of the young man Roslyakov. АСмуров ( talk) 05:14, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
The presence of a significant number of firefighters and representatives of the Organization of control of gas equipment at the college also speaks about the explosion of gas and legend about bombs and Strelka Roslyakov. АСмуров ( talk) 05:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Kerch shooter scored more fatalities than Columbine Massacre. Why isn't it a Kerch Massacre? -- KpoT ( talk) 18:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
There is a strong media coverage of membership of both the killer and his mother in local community of Jehovah's Witnesses. The sources include frontline Russian media [1] [2] [3]. There were doubts about his own activity in the organization until investigators recovered burned pages of the Bible with his remarks, he burned the book along with all other his personal belongings. [4] [5] There is expert opinion that doomsday cult of Jehovah's Witnesses impacted mental health of the perpetrator [6]. This important information sometimes appears in the article but someone removes it with no explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.142.135.22 ( talk) 06:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Obviously, the fact that Russian sources, and official ones, are taking this tack should be included. Obviously, the article should report the statements, not endorse them. Qwirkle ( talk) 17:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Agreed, the info about the sect should be added to the body. I mean before I added the mention of the sect yesterday the page mentioned how he burned the bible without even stating that his controlling mother belonged to the sect, even though it stands to reason the two events were related. Also, I think this talk page is being brigaded by the sect's members. At least that's the only explanation I can fathom as to why any mention of the sect was being constantly removed from the article. Openlydialectic ( talk) 04:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
The lead currently states that the attack "…ended the series of similarly inspired crimes in the same year…"
. What does this mean? Have there been a series of Columbine-inspired attacks in Crimea and/or Russia that I never heard about, and is there any way we could incorporate a wikilink to explain that? And what about how it "ended" the series? How do we know this it the end? —
Compassionate727 (
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C) 14:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 18:52, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
There is no reference to the source of information about portrait identification of young people in photos to the article. Correctly sign-unknown people, not Roslyakov and criminal. АСмуров ( talk) 09:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
There is no information from 12 hours 17 minutes of Moscow time on October 17, 2018 on the explosion of gas in the college canteen, numerous victims, the arrival of fire engines and gas service. АСмуров ( talk) 09:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
. .
This article has no information on how many victims were injured from the bombing and no info stating if any deaths were due to the bomb/bombs that exploded. 70 people were injured in the attack, that is a large number of people. Seems very likely most of the 70 were injured by bombs and not guns. Can anyone include that information in the article? 158.222.178.138 ( talk) 12:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
For some reason most american media outlets didn't wan't to cover this story, which is crazy since it involved a teenager killing 20 people. As far as I know this is the deadliest single person school attack in Ukraine/Russia's history. Don't tell me that are current relationship with Russia is the reason why this story was ignored, i will remember this one forever mainly because Roslyakov was my age and he killed 20 people with a shotgun and bombs, this is like if the original plan of Columbine was successful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8880:19B6:D9EF:4574:8575:E8A4 ( talk) 08:44, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Apparently, one victim died in 2019. 2601:408:8001:120:A121:6F34:71CC:FA8B ( talk) 06:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
The perpetrator section reads like it was written by a friend. It should be deleted and rewritten to include only information that has sources. The amount of subjective information in this article is ridiculous. 2601:405:8400:1AD4:B985:61FD:4D30:8055 ( talk) 02:15, 19 October 2022 (UTC)