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Rahul, this is a very interesting draft. Although you have made changes, I will help with the English prose. I read all of the sources you have provided in the draft/article. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:06, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Another thing, that I read (here on WP, or through a WP source) is that unless a "confession" is made in the presence of a Magistrate or a Judge, it is not admissable in a court of law. This would have the effect of allowing Sooraj to confess to the public media, but he might not be able to be convicted in a court of law, based on that confession. You are an educated person...What do you know about this? Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 00:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Once again thanks. I will go through the comments in detail soon later
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Rahulsoman: If you don't mind, I am going to move this conversation to the Draft talkpage. I have some more comments to make, and it occurrs to me that it would be easier it we keep them with the Draft. I will copy our comments, thus far, to the TP. Hope that is okay.
Tribe of Tiger
Let's Purrfect! 03:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Rahulsoman: Thanks for reminding me about neutral point of view. I now realize that I think that he is guilty, and as a WP editor, this is not neutral. But, as you say, we need to report the facts, as we find them. So, perhaps in a few months, there may be other information. But, for now, we can report on the available newspaper info.
Also, based on your comment on your talkpage, you said: "You must add to it let it get enriched, after knowing about the story it was literally hounding me...." so I think it is okay with you, if I add information about the dowry and Sooraj's financial problems? You can remove it later, if you disagree, or whatever. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Rahulsoman: In the source you provided, dated in 2007, it says: [2]
"While dealing with a stand of extra-judicial confession, the court has to satisfy that the same was voluntary and without any coercion and undue influence. Where there is material to show animosity, court has to proceed cautiously," the bench said. Extra-judicial confession is admission of guilt not made before a police officer. Since it is not made in judicial custody, such a statement, whether oral or written, is admissible as evidence in a criminal case. Observing that "human mind is not a tape recorder," the court said word by word repetition of the confession by a witness was not required."
But, the newspaper sources say that Sooraj made a confession in front of the media. So, if this confession was recorded by the media, it would be "tape recorded". Not sure what to think about this, in terms of whether this confession will be admitted in the law courts. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:29, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Some of what I have added may need to be moved around, but I am trying to be certain that any new text that I add has a source/reference attached to it. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Saving this source here, looks useful [1] Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
References
@ Rahulsoman: My understanding is that this murder is mostly related to the issue of her dowry. Her husband and his family members intended to kill her, so they would have access to her "wealth". I will go through the sources, and try to make a section regarding "dowry murders". I am sure we may be able to find some other supporting sources/references regarding Dowry Murders. Let me know what you think. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 00:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Rahulsoman: Also, I have tried to convert the amount of Rupees, Lakh and gold sovereigns to US Dollars. Please tell me, does "RS 10 lakh" equal 1,000,000 (one million) rupees? And, although I cannot put this in the article, could you tell me how many Rupees or Lakh a "basic" new car would cost in India?
My thoughts are that Uthra's parents are fairly wealthy people, at least from my US perspective. Would people of India think the same thing? Thanks for answering my cultural questions! Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 01:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Rahulsoman, thanks for everything you have said, and for providing helpful information. I will write more, but I just wanted to thank you. I will read the link to Dowry death. With respect, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Adding here for future use [3] incident recreation filmed [4] gold removed from bank locker, March 2 https://www.onmanorama.com/districts/kollam/2020/12/10/uthra-relatives-depose-in-snakebite-murder-case.html Deposition
Updates on the case https://www.onmanorama.com/kerala/top-news/2020/12/03/uthra-snakebite-murder-case-snake-catcher-statement-against-sooraj.html
https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/doctors-say-uthra-s-snakebite-unnatural-1.5455471
Two dowry deaths https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror-now/in-focus/article/vismaya-archana-uthara-shocking-stories-of-death-due-to-dowry-harassment-continues/774580
Hi Madam, As you were the major contributor of the page, now kerala court sentenced Murder double life imprisonment.
Rahulsoman, here is another good source [5] an article by the BBC Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
bbc reports it in very detailed way. Rahulsoman ( talk) 20:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Tribe of Tiger: Regarding the switch from "M.O." to "modus operandi", I don't want to sound jingoistic, but are we really beholden to non-native English speakers here at En-Wiki? Is there a directive about that? Isn't that what links are for? I'd be a lot more comfortable about the substitution if you could convince me that M.O. is just too informal for an encyclopedia (I have my doubts already). M.O. sounds like a kid informed by TV police shows; it sounds like using "rap sheet" without quotes. But "modus operandi" rings false to me also - too stilted. (I'm not sure what it means, but I did a search term analysis: MO brought up 201,000 hits, M.O. brought up 8,100, and modus operandi brought up 40,500.) Maybe we could come up with a different term altogether? Regarding the sentence about the forensic journal, I put parenthesis around it to give it the tone of an aside, which I feel is proper if we keep the sentence, but when actually thinking about it, it should go. It kind of breaks the fourth wall and doesn't seem encyclopedic. See also won't work because that's for topics that have Wiki pages. How about under Further reading, with a short explanation? Regarding sleeping pills vs. sleep-inducing pills, how did you discover the difference? Nice call. -- Pete Best Beatles ( talk) 22:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Rahul, this is a very interesting draft. Although you have made changes, I will help with the English prose. I read all of the sources you have provided in the draft/article. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:06, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Another thing, that I read (here on WP, or through a WP source) is that unless a "confession" is made in the presence of a Magistrate or a Judge, it is not admissable in a court of law. This would have the effect of allowing Sooraj to confess to the public media, but he might not be able to be convicted in a court of law, based on that confession. You are an educated person...What do you know about this? Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 00:53, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Once again thanks. I will go through the comments in detail soon later
@
Rahulsoman: If you don't mind, I am going to move this conversation to the Draft talkpage. I have some more comments to make, and it occurrs to me that it would be easier it we keep them with the Draft. I will copy our comments, thus far, to the TP. Hope that is okay.
Tribe of Tiger
Let's Purrfect! 03:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Rahulsoman: Thanks for reminding me about neutral point of view. I now realize that I think that he is guilty, and as a WP editor, this is not neutral. But, as you say, we need to report the facts, as we find them. So, perhaps in a few months, there may be other information. But, for now, we can report on the available newspaper info.
Also, based on your comment on your talkpage, you said: "You must add to it let it get enriched, after knowing about the story it was literally hounding me...." so I think it is okay with you, if I add information about the dowry and Sooraj's financial problems? You can remove it later, if you disagree, or whatever. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Rahulsoman: In the source you provided, dated in 2007, it says: [2]
"While dealing with a stand of extra-judicial confession, the court has to satisfy that the same was voluntary and without any coercion and undue influence. Where there is material to show animosity, court has to proceed cautiously," the bench said. Extra-judicial confession is admission of guilt not made before a police officer. Since it is not made in judicial custody, such a statement, whether oral or written, is admissible as evidence in a criminal case. Observing that "human mind is not a tape recorder," the court said word by word repetition of the confession by a witness was not required."
But, the newspaper sources say that Sooraj made a confession in front of the media. So, if this confession was recorded by the media, it would be "tape recorded". Not sure what to think about this, in terms of whether this confession will be admitted in the law courts. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:29, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Some of what I have added may need to be moved around, but I am trying to be certain that any new text that I add has a source/reference attached to it. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Saving this source here, looks useful [1] Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
References
@ Rahulsoman: My understanding is that this murder is mostly related to the issue of her dowry. Her husband and his family members intended to kill her, so they would have access to her "wealth". I will go through the sources, and try to make a section regarding "dowry murders". I am sure we may be able to find some other supporting sources/references regarding Dowry Murders. Let me know what you think. Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 00:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Rahulsoman: Also, I have tried to convert the amount of Rupees, Lakh and gold sovereigns to US Dollars. Please tell me, does "RS 10 lakh" equal 1,000,000 (one million) rupees? And, although I cannot put this in the article, could you tell me how many Rupees or Lakh a "basic" new car would cost in India?
My thoughts are that Uthra's parents are fairly wealthy people, at least from my US perspective. Would people of India think the same thing? Thanks for answering my cultural questions! Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 01:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Rahulsoman, thanks for everything you have said, and for providing helpful information. I will write more, but I just wanted to thank you. I will read the link to Dowry death. With respect, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 23:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Adding here for future use [3] incident recreation filmed [4] gold removed from bank locker, March 2 https://www.onmanorama.com/districts/kollam/2020/12/10/uthra-relatives-depose-in-snakebite-murder-case.html Deposition
Updates on the case https://www.onmanorama.com/kerala/top-news/2020/12/03/uthra-snakebite-murder-case-snake-catcher-statement-against-sooraj.html
https://english.mathrubhumi.com/news/kerala/doctors-say-uthra-s-snakebite-unnatural-1.5455471
Two dowry deaths https://www.timesnownews.com/mirror-now/in-focus/article/vismaya-archana-uthara-shocking-stories-of-death-due-to-dowry-harassment-continues/774580
Hi Madam, As you were the major contributor of the page, now kerala court sentenced Murder double life imprisonment.
Rahulsoman, here is another good source [5] an article by the BBC Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:11, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
bbc reports it in very detailed way. Rahulsoman ( talk) 20:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Tribe of Tiger: Regarding the switch from "M.O." to "modus operandi", I don't want to sound jingoistic, but are we really beholden to non-native English speakers here at En-Wiki? Is there a directive about that? Isn't that what links are for? I'd be a lot more comfortable about the substitution if you could convince me that M.O. is just too informal for an encyclopedia (I have my doubts already). M.O. sounds like a kid informed by TV police shows; it sounds like using "rap sheet" without quotes. But "modus operandi" rings false to me also - too stilted. (I'm not sure what it means, but I did a search term analysis: MO brought up 201,000 hits, M.O. brought up 8,100, and modus operandi brought up 40,500.) Maybe we could come up with a different term altogether? Regarding the sentence about the forensic journal, I put parenthesis around it to give it the tone of an aside, which I feel is proper if we keep the sentence, but when actually thinking about it, it should go. It kind of breaks the fourth wall and doesn't seem encyclopedic. See also won't work because that's for topics that have Wiki pages. How about under Further reading, with a short explanation? Regarding sleeping pills vs. sleep-inducing pills, how did you discover the difference? Nice call. -- Pete Best Beatles ( talk) 22:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)