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@ Firefangledfeathers:, you removed the detail specifying that Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in self-defense, claiming that it wasn't ruled self-defense. Was or was Rittenhouse not acquitted of all charges? Oktayey ( talk) 14:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
He was acquitted of all the charges. Which judge or jury ruling says it was self-defense? Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I made an edit a few days ago which included a link to an article from a RS that 100% supported the edit I made (from current to "...acquitted on grounds of self-defense". It was undone because "That's not what the article says about the jury". Unless the mod is seriously making the Vaushian claim that "There is no knowing" and, therefore, since you cannot *literally* insert your brain into someone else's, there is no way to ever know even so much as causality (in which case, I would be making a global demand that this mod nuke about 95% of all of wikipedia on that ground), the article makes it explicitly clear that the only "ground" for "acquittal" for a jury to deliberate and reach "acquittal" was "self-defense". In fact, the article makes it clear that this point is so obvious the outcome should have been, essentially, foreseen. The article laid out the groundwork for why *a* jury would get to this conclusion, and this is *a* jury, and, unless we're going to be so obtuse as to say it is reasonable to say they may reasonably likely have rendered this decision because "the sky is blue" (again, because their is no knowing, and there is no causality), then the grounds for acquittal should be assumed to be the grounds laid out for the deliberation of the jury by the defense, by the prosecution, by the judge, by the law, by the article and by making the reasonable assumption of rational decision-making in the jury deliberation room unless evidence comes out to say otherwise. It's edits like this are what has cost Wikipedia and its mods the at least limited credibility it once had, and, again, unless you're going to take the autistically, hyperbolically, cartoon-super-villain literal interpretation of the rules that no human being and no other article on wikipedia assumes, there is no reason to have undone this edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.103.37 ( talk) 22:13 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Currently it has only two people listed as charged. However, this article says an additional 55 people were charged. [1] Should the charged section be changed? 3Kingdoms ( talk) 01:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Move request: "Kenosha unrest" -> "Kenosha riots"
1. The events in Kenosha, as described in the article, clearly meet the definition of "riot". Pursuant to MOS:EUPHEMISM's "Euphemisms should generally be avoided in favor of more neutral and precise terms" the usage of "unrest" is a deprecated euphemism.
2. The attempt to deprecate the severity of the riots in Kensosha with the euphemism "unrest" creates the impression that the article's title is in violation of Wikipedia's "strict neutral point of view (NPOV) policy."
Per #1, #2, above, the article's title needs to be renamed "Kenosha unrest" to "Kenosha riots".
RealLRLee ( talk) 20:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." If the view that this is an unrest is the majority view by far, and the view that it is a riot is the minority view by far, than NPOV requires us to go by the majority view, with the minority view possibly mentioned, but only in a limited way. Again definitions don't come in to it. Nil Einne ( talk) 04:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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@ Firefangledfeathers:, you removed the detail specifying that Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum in self-defense, claiming that it wasn't ruled self-defense. Was or was Rittenhouse not acquitted of all charges? Oktayey ( talk) 14:51, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
He was acquitted of all the charges. Which judge or jury ruling says it was self-defense? Firefangledfeathers ( talk | contribs) 15:05, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
I made an edit a few days ago which included a link to an article from a RS that 100% supported the edit I made (from current to "...acquitted on grounds of self-defense". It was undone because "That's not what the article says about the jury". Unless the mod is seriously making the Vaushian claim that "There is no knowing" and, therefore, since you cannot *literally* insert your brain into someone else's, there is no way to ever know even so much as causality (in which case, I would be making a global demand that this mod nuke about 95% of all of wikipedia on that ground), the article makes it explicitly clear that the only "ground" for "acquittal" for a jury to deliberate and reach "acquittal" was "self-defense". In fact, the article makes it clear that this point is so obvious the outcome should have been, essentially, foreseen. The article laid out the groundwork for why *a* jury would get to this conclusion, and this is *a* jury, and, unless we're going to be so obtuse as to say it is reasonable to say they may reasonably likely have rendered this decision because "the sky is blue" (again, because their is no knowing, and there is no causality), then the grounds for acquittal should be assumed to be the grounds laid out for the deliberation of the jury by the defense, by the prosecution, by the judge, by the law, by the article and by making the reasonable assumption of rational decision-making in the jury deliberation room unless evidence comes out to say otherwise. It's edits like this are what has cost Wikipedia and its mods the at least limited credibility it once had, and, again, unless you're going to take the autistically, hyperbolically, cartoon-super-villain literal interpretation of the rules that no human being and no other article on wikipedia assumes, there is no reason to have undone this edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.103.37 ( talk) 22:13 30 October 2022 (UTC)
Currently it has only two people listed as charged. However, this article says an additional 55 people were charged. [1] Should the charged section be changed? 3Kingdoms ( talk) 01:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Move request: "Kenosha unrest" -> "Kenosha riots"
1. The events in Kenosha, as described in the article, clearly meet the definition of "riot". Pursuant to MOS:EUPHEMISM's "Euphemisms should generally be avoided in favor of more neutral and precise terms" the usage of "unrest" is a deprecated euphemism.
2. The attempt to deprecate the severity of the riots in Kensosha with the euphemism "unrest" creates the impression that the article's title is in violation of Wikipedia's "strict neutral point of view (NPOV) policy."
Per #1, #2, above, the article's title needs to be renamed "Kenosha unrest" to "Kenosha riots".
RealLRLee ( talk) 20:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." If the view that this is an unrest is the majority view by far, and the view that it is a riot is the minority view by far, than NPOV requires us to go by the majority view, with the minority view possibly mentioned, but only in a limited way. Again definitions don't come in to it. Nil Einne ( talk) 04:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)