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Patagonian cave paintings stun scientists
Chilean and French scientists announced they have discovered for the first time elaborate pre-Columbian cave paintings by indigenous Alacaluf people on an isolated island in Patagonia.
More than 40 stunning paintings were located inside the so-called Pacific Cave on Madre de Dios island, in Chile's far south, expedition head Bernard Tourte of France said.
The Alacaluf, a nomadic and seafaring people indigenous to the area, were not previously known to have produced such art.
"For years, people have insisted that this group did not engage in artistic expression, so now we are seeing that they were more advanced than had been believed," anthropologist Marcelo Aguilera said.
The paintings, in mostly black and ochre colours, have a range of subject matter and varied techniques, according to Mr Aguilera.
The two-month expedition, sponsored by the French and Chilean governments, cost $800,000.
The article uses the terms interchangeably, but Alacaluf is also listed as one of the component tribes. Should we standardise on one or the other name throughout? PhilUK ( talk) 20:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
"The Kawésqar consider these terms pejorative, as they are not their own name for themselves or autonym - it is Kawésqar". According to University of Chile, the right name is Kawésqar. This name is the rignt name as translated by french researcher José Emperaire who has translated the Kawésqar language. Alacaluf is not friendly. The proposal is to rename Alacaluf people to Kawésqar people. This was done for the french version.
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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. The fact that the people group's name starts with a K is not questioned. Primacy of the people group over their language was debated, but ultimately we have two criteria for primary topic, pageviews and long-term educational significance. Pageviews pointed in favor of the people group (though it was well debated if they pointed enough in favor of them). However, the other major criterion, long-term significance, also points towards the people group as well. (This was raised by one of the supporters of the move, and no opposer was able to rebut that argument.) It therefore appears that a policy-based consensus shows that the people group has primacy. Per WP:TWODABS, I now recommend listing the dab page at WP:AFD. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 03:46, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
– 1. Kawésqar is of their preference, 2. Kawésqar is used by most modern anthropologists and 3 . Chilean law. See this article from Magallania for details. Alacalufe, albiet also of widespread use is not prefered by the people, is not used by most modern anthropologist and is etymological a series of added-up mispellings of a kawésqar word. Sietecolores ( talk) 01:00, 4 September 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. DannyS712 ( talk) 04:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Where a common name exists in English for both a people and their language, it is most often the case that neither is the primary topic. A title based on that term, with explicit disambiguation, is preferred for both articles, as with Chinese people and Chinese language.All due respect to Cúchullain; however, the pageviews link supplied, which shows daily averages of 23 for the people and 14 for the language is actually evidence that there is no primary topic in this case. So the NCLANG naming convention guideline is once again supported by facts. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.How does a 2/1 ratio (actually a 1.64/1 ratio) meet that guide, when more like a 10/1 or at least a 5/1 ratio is usually needed and expected before PTOPIC is applied or considered appropriate? P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
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Patagonian cave paintings stun scientists
Chilean and French scientists announced they have discovered for the first time elaborate pre-Columbian cave paintings by indigenous Alacaluf people on an isolated island in Patagonia.
More than 40 stunning paintings were located inside the so-called Pacific Cave on Madre de Dios island, in Chile's far south, expedition head Bernard Tourte of France said.
The Alacaluf, a nomadic and seafaring people indigenous to the area, were not previously known to have produced such art.
"For years, people have insisted that this group did not engage in artistic expression, so now we are seeing that they were more advanced than had been believed," anthropologist Marcelo Aguilera said.
The paintings, in mostly black and ochre colours, have a range of subject matter and varied techniques, according to Mr Aguilera.
The two-month expedition, sponsored by the French and Chilean governments, cost $800,000.
The article uses the terms interchangeably, but Alacaluf is also listed as one of the component tribes. Should we standardise on one or the other name throughout? PhilUK ( talk) 20:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
"The Kawésqar consider these terms pejorative, as they are not their own name for themselves or autonym - it is Kawésqar". According to University of Chile, the right name is Kawésqar. This name is the rignt name as translated by french researcher José Emperaire who has translated the Kawésqar language. Alacaluf is not friendly. The proposal is to rename Alacaluf people to Kawésqar people. This was done for the french version.
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The result of the move request was: Moved as proposed. The fact that the people group's name starts with a K is not questioned. Primacy of the people group over their language was debated, but ultimately we have two criteria for primary topic, pageviews and long-term educational significance. Pageviews pointed in favor of the people group (though it was well debated if they pointed enough in favor of them). However, the other major criterion, long-term significance, also points towards the people group as well. (This was raised by one of the supporters of the move, and no opposer was able to rebut that argument.) It therefore appears that a policy-based consensus shows that the people group has primacy. Per WP:TWODABS, I now recommend listing the dab page at WP:AFD. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 03:46, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
– 1. Kawésqar is of their preference, 2. Kawésqar is used by most modern anthropologists and 3 . Chilean law. See this article from Magallania for details. Alacalufe, albiet also of widespread use is not prefered by the people, is not used by most modern anthropologist and is etymological a series of added-up mispellings of a kawésqar word. Sietecolores ( talk) 01:00, 4 September 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. DannyS712 ( talk) 04:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Where a common name exists in English for both a people and their language, it is most often the case that neither is the primary topic. A title based on that term, with explicit disambiguation, is preferred for both articles, as with Chinese people and Chinese language.All due respect to Cúchullain; however, the pageviews link supplied, which shows daily averages of 23 for the people and 14 for the language is actually evidence that there is no primary topic in this case. So the NCLANG naming convention guideline is once again supported by facts. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:09, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.How does a 2/1 ratio (actually a 1.64/1 ratio) meet that guide, when more like a 10/1 or at least a 5/1 ratio is usually needed and expected before PTOPIC is applied or considered appropriate? P. I. Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 16:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)