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IMO the above sentence does not belong in the lead. The lead is only three sentences; this should not be one of them. It’s not a description of who she is or what she does for a living. (Which actually isn't clear; some sources describe her as a "conservative activist" and others as a "political commentator".) This material is in the article text as a single sentence; maybe it could be expanded upon there. But in my opinion pulling a single negative sentence out of the article and putting it in the lead violates WP:Due weight as well as WP:Neutrality. I see that someone removed it but it was promptly restored. User:Discospinster, can we talk about that?
One other problem: we describe her as an author but say nothing about her writing in the article itself; shouldn’t that part of her biography be expanded beyond just a mention under “publications”? -- MelanieN ( talk) 22:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
The primary is today, results tonight. If she doesn't go anywhere in the primary, she becomes just another two-time-loser politician and I am going to be tempted to AfD the article. -- MelanieN ( talk) 02:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Is a great thing, but it is helpful to the general Wikipedian if they have a name that indicates what they are. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
First, some history for those who can’t see deleted pages: The article was originally created on April 6, 2021. There were 10 references, none of them to reliable sources. It was nominated for deletion, and the result on April 19, 2021 was: delete, then redirect to the 2022 primary article. Then in May 9-10 2022 the redirect was expanded several times, restored as a redirect several times, deleted per G4, and restored as a full-protected redirect. The current article was created as a draft on May 16, 2022. On May 17 Galobtter deleted the protected redirect per G6, and moved the draft into the namespace. That is the article we are looking at now.
My own opinion is that we should restore the (protected) redirect, since she is simply a twice-unsuccessful candidate for office, with no other claim to fame. Sources can’t even decide what she does for a living, describing her as a “conservative activist” or “political commentator. The bulk of her coverage occurred in the last two weeks, suggesting a case of BLP1E. However, IMO restoring the redirect would require an AfD, considering the lack of consensus here and the large number of people who have edited the article. I will consider doing that a little later, I don't have time right now. Unless someone else wants to propose it? -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at this 2021 article about Barnette? : [6] I can’t access it right now. I think it may include helpful biographic details. Thriley ( talk) 21:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
@ TJMSmith, other informed editors. About the categories changed here [7], is a primary meant to count as an election in context, or are those cats only meant for people in the "actual" election? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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IMO the above sentence does not belong in the lead. The lead is only three sentences; this should not be one of them. It’s not a description of who she is or what she does for a living. (Which actually isn't clear; some sources describe her as a "conservative activist" and others as a "political commentator".) This material is in the article text as a single sentence; maybe it could be expanded upon there. But in my opinion pulling a single negative sentence out of the article and putting it in the lead violates WP:Due weight as well as WP:Neutrality. I see that someone removed it but it was promptly restored. User:Discospinster, can we talk about that?
One other problem: we describe her as an author but say nothing about her writing in the article itself; shouldn’t that part of her biography be expanded beyond just a mention under “publications”? -- MelanieN ( talk) 22:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
The primary is today, results tonight. If she doesn't go anywhere in the primary, she becomes just another two-time-loser politician and I am going to be tempted to AfD the article. -- MelanieN ( talk) 02:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Is a great thing, but it is helpful to the general Wikipedian if they have a name that indicates what they are. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
First, some history for those who can’t see deleted pages: The article was originally created on April 6, 2021. There were 10 references, none of them to reliable sources. It was nominated for deletion, and the result on April 19, 2021 was: delete, then redirect to the 2022 primary article. Then in May 9-10 2022 the redirect was expanded several times, restored as a redirect several times, deleted per G4, and restored as a full-protected redirect. The current article was created as a draft on May 16, 2022. On May 17 Galobtter deleted the protected redirect per G6, and moved the draft into the namespace. That is the article we are looking at now.
My own opinion is that we should restore the (protected) redirect, since she is simply a twice-unsuccessful candidate for office, with no other claim to fame. Sources can’t even decide what she does for a living, describing her as a “conservative activist” or “political commentator. The bulk of her coverage occurred in the last two weeks, suggesting a case of BLP1E. However, IMO restoring the redirect would require an AfD, considering the lack of consensus here and the large number of people who have edited the article. I will consider doing that a little later, I don't have time right now. Unless someone else wants to propose it? -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at this 2021 article about Barnette? : [6] I can’t access it right now. I think it may include helpful biographic details. Thriley ( talk) 21:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
@ TJMSmith, other informed editors. About the categories changed here [7], is a primary meant to count as an election in context, or are those cats only meant for people in the "actual" election? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)