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Reviewer: Tim riley ( talk · contribs) 16:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
After a first read-through I think this is approaching GA standard. It is short – 857 words – but we don't judge GAs by volume, and if, as it appears, this is all there is to say about Freeman then so be it. In any case, comprehensiveness is required at FAC but is not obligatory at GAN.
Most of the comments below are merely suggestions: they don't affect the promotability of the article, but I hope you will find some or all useful:
Over to you. Happy to discuss any point if you wish. Tim riley talk 16:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I enjoyed this article, which was a pleasure to review. I hadn't heard of Freeman or − more to the point for a devotee of old-school detective fiction − Mary Fitt, and will seek out her work. Moreover, I enjoyed reading the wonderful Edith Hall's "Invisible Classicist" broadside, so thank you! Tim riley talk 12:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
That's great news Tim riley! Thanks so much for your work reviewing this article. Srsval ( talk) 15:29, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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Created by Srsval ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Thank you for an interesting article, which needs a few tweaks for DYK. It is new enough as a WP:GA, long enough and neutrally written. It is mostly cited inline and I have assumed good faith where I could not access sources. However the paragraph beginning "Freeman is best known for her works" needs to be cited. Do sources say "Freeman was gay" or leave it for readers to work out for themselves? Also I couldn't verify the paragraph beginning "In recent years Freeman's work has been re-assessed" in the sources provided. Earwig's tool shows some overlap with sources, which is mostly due to names of books and University College... However "writing 27 books ... Mallett" seems to be a quote From Ancilla to the Pre-Socratic Philosophers and should be reworded. The hook facts are stated in the article, but are currently not immediately followed by an inline citation to a reliable source. Also could you possibly provide an alternative hook based on detective fiction? The picture in the article is fair use and cannot be used on this nomination page. You are QPQ exempt as this is your fourth nomination. TSventon ( talk) 23:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks TSventon for your time and effort reviewing this. I've added a citation for the paragraph beginning 'Freeman is best known for her works...'. I've reworded the sentence about 27 books to avoid overlap, and I've added a citation to the sentence about Freeman's work being reassessed. I removed then re-added the bit about her short stories being republished as I found a reliable source. I've also added in a reliable source for the hook. Srsval ( talk) 20:05, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Lajmmoore, thank you for stepping into the breach. I am now happy with points 2 to 10. As to 1, I would incline to remove the phrase "Freeman was gay" or now "According to classicist Edith Hall, Freeman was gay". TSventon ( talk) 22:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Srsval, I am now happy to pass this. I have a slight preference for hook ALT1. Lajmmoore, thank you again. TSventon ( talk) 19:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Lajmmoore for picking this up and all of your work on this! I'm really glad to see this on Wikipedia's front page today, brilliant! TSventon Sorry I couldn't get to it, it was a lot of work at a busy time Srsval ( talk) 12:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
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I would incline to remove the phrase "Freeman was gay" or now "According to classicist Edith Hall, Freeman was gay". My concern is that it is referenced to Edith Hall's "How to Conceal a Female Scholar", which only says "She lived with her girl-friend". The second reference by Eleanor Irwin says "She lived from some time ... with her friend Dr Liliane". The references describe Freeman's relationship without labelling it, so it feels like WP:SYNTHESIS for Wikipedia to choose a label. I found a conversation with Edith Hall where she says "There are also quite a large number of what we’re pretty sure are women who loved other women, though how much they knew they did or not is up for debate" and mentions Freeman as an example. It is not an area of Wikipedia I am expert in, so any comments are welcome. TSventon ( talk) 22:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Kathleen Freeman (classicist) has been listed as one of the
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: Tim riley ( talk · contribs) 16:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
After a first read-through I think this is approaching GA standard. It is short – 857 words – but we don't judge GAs by volume, and if, as it appears, this is all there is to say about Freeman then so be it. In any case, comprehensiveness is required at FAC but is not obligatory at GAN.
Most of the comments below are merely suggestions: they don't affect the promotability of the article, but I hope you will find some or all useful:
Over to you. Happy to discuss any point if you wish. Tim riley talk 16:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I enjoyed this article, which was a pleasure to review. I hadn't heard of Freeman or − more to the point for a devotee of old-school detective fiction − Mary Fitt, and will seek out her work. Moreover, I enjoyed reading the wonderful Edith Hall's "Invisible Classicist" broadside, so thank you! Tim riley talk 12:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
That's great news Tim riley! Thanks so much for your work reviewing this article. Srsval ( talk) 15:29, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Theleekycauldron (
talk)
01:02, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Created by Srsval ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Thank you for an interesting article, which needs a few tweaks for DYK. It is new enough as a WP:GA, long enough and neutrally written. It is mostly cited inline and I have assumed good faith where I could not access sources. However the paragraph beginning "Freeman is best known for her works" needs to be cited. Do sources say "Freeman was gay" or leave it for readers to work out for themselves? Also I couldn't verify the paragraph beginning "In recent years Freeman's work has been re-assessed" in the sources provided. Earwig's tool shows some overlap with sources, which is mostly due to names of books and University College... However "writing 27 books ... Mallett" seems to be a quote From Ancilla to the Pre-Socratic Philosophers and should be reworded. The hook facts are stated in the article, but are currently not immediately followed by an inline citation to a reliable source. Also could you possibly provide an alternative hook based on detective fiction? The picture in the article is fair use and cannot be used on this nomination page. You are QPQ exempt as this is your fourth nomination. TSventon ( talk) 23:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks TSventon for your time and effort reviewing this. I've added a citation for the paragraph beginning 'Freeman is best known for her works...'. I've reworded the sentence about 27 books to avoid overlap, and I've added a citation to the sentence about Freeman's work being reassessed. I removed then re-added the bit about her short stories being republished as I found a reliable source. I've also added in a reliable source for the hook. Srsval ( talk) 20:05, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Lajmmoore, thank you for stepping into the breach. I am now happy with points 2 to 10. As to 1, I would incline to remove the phrase "Freeman was gay" or now "According to classicist Edith Hall, Freeman was gay". TSventon ( talk) 22:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Srsval, I am now happy to pass this. I have a slight preference for hook ALT1. Lajmmoore, thank you again. TSventon ( talk) 19:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Lajmmoore for picking this up and all of your work on this! I'm really glad to see this on Wikipedia's front page today, brilliant! TSventon Sorry I couldn't get to it, it was a lot of work at a busy time Srsval ( talk) 12:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 09:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
I would incline to remove the phrase "Freeman was gay" or now "According to classicist Edith Hall, Freeman was gay". My concern is that it is referenced to Edith Hall's "How to Conceal a Female Scholar", which only says "She lived with her girl-friend". The second reference by Eleanor Irwin says "She lived from some time ... with her friend Dr Liliane". The references describe Freeman's relationship without labelling it, so it feels like WP:SYNTHESIS for Wikipedia to choose a label. I found a conversation with Edith Hall where she says "There are also quite a large number of what we’re pretty sure are women who loved other women, though how much they knew they did or not is up for debate" and mentions Freeman as an example. It is not an area of Wikipedia I am expert in, so any comments are welcome. TSventon ( talk) 22:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)