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I'm wondering if it is appropriate for the external links section of this article to basically read like an advertisement. I keep reverting the phrasing of the links "e.g. #1 Fan Site!" but they are constantly and relentlessly reverted back. Should I bother? Daydream believer2 00:30, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)
Ian - I am Tash from FM.net, and we have been around since 2002, albeit originally as an MSN group. If you had cast your eyes to the title bar at top of screen you will see the phrase #1 Fan Site. Also, if you look around properly and also look on Google you will note that our claim is 100% correct. Next time please consider checking your facts - and seeings Wikipedia did not say anything about not advertising, why shouldnt we? And as Thomas said it is our slogan, it goes with the name, just like many other sites/businesses.
Tash, you need to be sure you know what people are talking about before you jump in on the defensive. Looking at the sites - Foxymorons says "The Original and # 1 Fansite" which is different to what was recorded in the Wiki article which was just "#1 in all things Kath and Kim" (which looks like somebody's opinion and is different to what's on the site). Hornbags.net was described as "A great fansite, with loads of features" and funnily enough that's not what the site is called. It's actually called "Hornbags.net - The Ultimate Kath & Kim Fansite". If people are going to use links that's fine, but they should use the title exactly how it appears on the site, and not flower it with things like "a great fansite" which is their opinion only. Also before you tell other people to check their facts, you should really check your own, otherwise it's a bit hard to take you seriously. I'll fix the links in the article so that it contains nothing but the official names and no added stuff like "great fansite", which is what people were objecting to... Hopefully everyone will be happy. Rossrs 11:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me - no-one that works @ FM.net created the link, it was done by a fan. Maybe Wikipedia needs to put something on their site that says what you do above and then it would be clearer to everyone.
Yes...I work at FM.net and I must say that what has happened here is disgraceful! I only found out about FoxyMorons.net being listed here a week ago by my web host provider. I did not create the link or have anything to do with what has been going on about the slogan crap. Some key points to mention are as follows: #1 - Who really cares if there are slogans or not? Are you people that sad that we need to bicker over it? It’s such a small issue and so insignificant in life! #2 - Someone needs a lesson on what is and is not an external (official site) and a fan site! The official Kath & Kim site is www.kathandkim.com! There is only this one that is truly official, the two BBC sites that are listed are not official and one provides old information about K&K which should not even be listed! I note that not even the true official site is listed under external links or even on the site at all! So whoever edits this page and keeps changing everything around, you clearly need a lesson in what is official and what is unofficial! Also, who are you people to decide what information the fan sites provide and what they do not provide? Are you even Kath & Kim fans and do you run Kath & Kim fan sites? If not, leave it to the people that know, the managers of the fan sites! That said we thankyou for the link and we link to you on our site!
Totally agree with whoever was speaking above re we the site managers should decide what we have! Now "The Home of Kath and Kim" is The Good Room's Slogan and has been since January when our site began, we do thank you for the oppurtunity of having our links there and people being able to use them, but the point is i think we should atleast beable to have a slogan or a description of what the site contains and offers instead of just the name! - Thomas
Well Ian, I couldnt agree more, everysite has rules that must be followed and if they are the rules then we must follow them!Ian in relation to the Official Sites websites! http://www.kathandkim.com/kathandkim.html and http://www.abc.net.au/kathandkim.html are not one and the same! www.kathandkim.com is run by Riley Turner Productions (the TM owners of K&K) and does not contain any real content or informaiton other than some odd news and prizes. The other site www.abc.net.au/kathandkim contains a whole host of information for fans, with content, games, message boards etc etc. This site is run by the ABC and not Riley Turner Productions. They are two different organisations and two completely different sites! "Ben, FoxyMorons.net"
No Worries! Just so its all correct for Wikipedia! "Ben, FoxyMorons.net"
Congrats on the quick update, pity no-one spotted the vandalism in the episode guide (now fixed). 144.139.143.253 11:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Maybe a braver soul than I can point out that they live in a perfect rendition of Melbourne's outer suburbs -- with the pretty brick houses and a mega-mall as a focal point for each suburb. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.54.192.207 ( talk • contribs) .
The fictional place is normal but the place where it is set i would say would be a bit different. Kath & Kim is set in the suburb of Patterson Lakes on South Melbourne, If you were to look at even a map of this place you would realise that it is unique because of all the lakes flowing through. I havent been there myself but I am hoping to go soon, I would think there would be more suburbs with lakes like that over the world but not many! -Thomas
The Beginning credit aerial shots can't be from Patterson Lakes because of all the waterways going in and out, none are visible, so to fit in with the storyline i would be thinking they would go to an outer suburb to shoot that bit. -Thomas
Im sure Ive seen an episode where Kims father returns and swindles her out of her house, and her and brett have to go and live with Kath again, or am I imagining it ? Lincolnshire Poacher
I heard that the girls where in the process of writing series 5, is this true? i do hope so, i'm having kath and kim withdrawl's.... Claire from Devon 10th june 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.82.124 ( talk) 21:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
"I couldn't care more about what mum is doing, and I most certainly couldn't care less" 1. This is an incorrect subtitle, it is "I couldn't care more about mum's final floral design piece, I certainly couldn't care less", it says above that it is used frequently, this is not correct it is only used once throughout the whole series, I have removed it because of it being incorrect Thomass 28 23:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
In the Sunday Herald Sun on October 16, 2006, on page 21, there is an article which says that one of the comedians from Little Britain, Matt Lucas, will be a guest star on Kath and Kim. Here is half of the article word for word:
It will be Australiana verses Little Britain when UK comedian Matt Lucas films a guest spot on the comedy Kath & Kim next year.
The bald actor, one half of the hit comedy duo with partner and friend David Walliams, is bringing the live version of the sketch show to Australian on January 22 at Vodafone Arena and will film the scenes before the tour starts. Lucas said he was unsure of exactly what his part was, but has been a long-time fan of the show and has met it's creators Gina Riley and Jane Turner.
Lucas said "There was some possible suggestion that I would play a member of their family, an english cousin or something."
What do people think about this? It's getting me very excited indeed. -- Lakeyboy 04:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Possibly! I am extremely certain that this means there will be a new Kath and Kim production, which could be a 4th series, a telemovie or even a stage production like we have seen Little Britain do.. whereas the main page is saying that there WILL be a new series in 2007 which i think should be changed Thomass 28 00:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
It looks like User:RaptorRobot is going flat out creating extra articles (on characters and more, by the looks of the Bret Craig (Kath & Kim) (sic) article. I have posted a message on his talk page about the poor page naming, but what does everyone else think of these? -- Chuq 07:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Almost every other article about a TV series has seperate pages about their characters, so I don't see what is so wrong with Kath and Kim having one! RaptorRobot 11:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, this article is already very good. I'm just wondering about the spelling of Epponnee-Rae's middle names. Is there an authority for this? I would have expected them to be spelled with an "ene" ending rather than "een", eg. "Darlene" instead of "Darleen". Frickeg 00:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I have used FoxyMorons.net as a source and it says Epponnee Raelene Sharlene Kathleen Darleen Craig so a little bit of both i think this might be in the wrong order though, I always thought it was Epponnee Raelene Kathleen Darleen Sharlene Craig
Somebody has changed the spelling and order of Epponnee Rae's name so instead of debating over what it actually is i have just simply written Epponnee Rae Craig untill we can confirm what her name actually is because it is said as two different names in the series itself so its impossible to tell
Unless the FGSC article can be fleshed out more, it doesn't appear from the article that FGSC is notable by itself, I suggest that that article be merged into this one and a redirect be created from FGSC to this article. A precedent for this is the redirect from Cicely, Alaska to Northern Exposure. -- Joe Decker 14:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
There's a box-set of seasons 1-3 that could have a mentions, also each episode could follow the TV episode template and be bulked out further. A TV infobox could also be added... Peter 09:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone qualify the statement, or cite sources, that the show is a "huge hit" in the United States? Since the bottom of the article mentions it's being remade in the US, I wouldn't think it was a success at all. MrHate 23:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I understand American networks remake foreign television series, because US networks need a twenty-two episode run of a series. A British series may only be made in blocks of six. Eligius ( talk) 23:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone cleanup all the various templates for navboxes of this show and the colors they use in them please ? It's all over the place with yellow, orange and green. Also the character table and the character articles need a LOT of work. Please read the convention on Wikipedia:WikiProject Television. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
is mandy a recurring character since she's been in the show alot this year?
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, or is mentioned in the article. I was wondering whether the title is a pun on the expression "kith and kin"; is there any evidence of this being the case? Thanks in advance for any responses. Oberschlesien 07:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
A lot of this article repeats information like crazy. Lots42 ( talk) 11:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
y does the us HAVE 2 have a remake y cant they use our 1 -- 58.168.196.126 ( talk) 11:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I was reading through the Kath & Kim article, and I thought that it lacked real information.
I think it may be a good idea to add a Reception/Response section; with info about how the show was received by the viewers, critical reviews, show statistics, the show's place in society, its impact, etcetera. This section may also be merged with the ratings.
A production section would also be good. This could include behind the scenes information, filming locations, etcetera. Basically, any real information.
A place I have found to be a good source of info is the Australian Television Information archive, the Kath & Kim articles section has many old newspaper articles that would have many, many useful facts that could be used in these sections. Plus, there is a good source of references that are also needed for the article. Daniel99091 ( talk) 09:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I've done a major cleanup of this article, and have made new articles, expanding sections and added new chapters e.g. the "Characters" section. The only part of the article that deserves significant attention is the "Reaction" section, which could do with a major expansion and a lot more references. Jv821 ( talk) 10:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I have Eyreland someone putting allot of information up on the upcoming flop in the American's version. I do agree that something should be placed in the article about it, but this should be a small something, leading to the USA article for more detail. MattyC3350 ( talk) 13:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed some dubious (and uncited) parts:
what the hell? I just saw john michael higgins in this show, and his wiki page says he has a staring roll in it, yet he doesn't appear on any page about Kath & kim..what gives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.165.129.163 ( talk) 16:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh my bad, theres an American and Australian version of this. Maybe this article should be titled Kath & Kim (Australian TV series)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.165.129.163 ( talk) 16:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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I'm wondering if it is appropriate for the external links section of this article to basically read like an advertisement. I keep reverting the phrasing of the links "e.g. #1 Fan Site!" but they are constantly and relentlessly reverted back. Should I bother? Daydream believer2 00:30, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)
Ian - I am Tash from FM.net, and we have been around since 2002, albeit originally as an MSN group. If you had cast your eyes to the title bar at top of screen you will see the phrase #1 Fan Site. Also, if you look around properly and also look on Google you will note that our claim is 100% correct. Next time please consider checking your facts - and seeings Wikipedia did not say anything about not advertising, why shouldnt we? And as Thomas said it is our slogan, it goes with the name, just like many other sites/businesses.
Tash, you need to be sure you know what people are talking about before you jump in on the defensive. Looking at the sites - Foxymorons says "The Original and # 1 Fansite" which is different to what was recorded in the Wiki article which was just "#1 in all things Kath and Kim" (which looks like somebody's opinion and is different to what's on the site). Hornbags.net was described as "A great fansite, with loads of features" and funnily enough that's not what the site is called. It's actually called "Hornbags.net - The Ultimate Kath & Kim Fansite". If people are going to use links that's fine, but they should use the title exactly how it appears on the site, and not flower it with things like "a great fansite" which is their opinion only. Also before you tell other people to check their facts, you should really check your own, otherwise it's a bit hard to take you seriously. I'll fix the links in the article so that it contains nothing but the official names and no added stuff like "great fansite", which is what people were objecting to... Hopefully everyone will be happy. Rossrs 11:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me - no-one that works @ FM.net created the link, it was done by a fan. Maybe Wikipedia needs to put something on their site that says what you do above and then it would be clearer to everyone.
Yes...I work at FM.net and I must say that what has happened here is disgraceful! I only found out about FoxyMorons.net being listed here a week ago by my web host provider. I did not create the link or have anything to do with what has been going on about the slogan crap. Some key points to mention are as follows: #1 - Who really cares if there are slogans or not? Are you people that sad that we need to bicker over it? It’s such a small issue and so insignificant in life! #2 - Someone needs a lesson on what is and is not an external (official site) and a fan site! The official Kath & Kim site is www.kathandkim.com! There is only this one that is truly official, the two BBC sites that are listed are not official and one provides old information about K&K which should not even be listed! I note that not even the true official site is listed under external links or even on the site at all! So whoever edits this page and keeps changing everything around, you clearly need a lesson in what is official and what is unofficial! Also, who are you people to decide what information the fan sites provide and what they do not provide? Are you even Kath & Kim fans and do you run Kath & Kim fan sites? If not, leave it to the people that know, the managers of the fan sites! That said we thankyou for the link and we link to you on our site!
Totally agree with whoever was speaking above re we the site managers should decide what we have! Now "The Home of Kath and Kim" is The Good Room's Slogan and has been since January when our site began, we do thank you for the oppurtunity of having our links there and people being able to use them, but the point is i think we should atleast beable to have a slogan or a description of what the site contains and offers instead of just the name! - Thomas
Well Ian, I couldnt agree more, everysite has rules that must be followed and if they are the rules then we must follow them!Ian in relation to the Official Sites websites! http://www.kathandkim.com/kathandkim.html and http://www.abc.net.au/kathandkim.html are not one and the same! www.kathandkim.com is run by Riley Turner Productions (the TM owners of K&K) and does not contain any real content or informaiton other than some odd news and prizes. The other site www.abc.net.au/kathandkim contains a whole host of information for fans, with content, games, message boards etc etc. This site is run by the ABC and not Riley Turner Productions. They are two different organisations and two completely different sites! "Ben, FoxyMorons.net"
No Worries! Just so its all correct for Wikipedia! "Ben, FoxyMorons.net"
Congrats on the quick update, pity no-one spotted the vandalism in the episode guide (now fixed). 144.139.143.253 11:40, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Maybe a braver soul than I can point out that they live in a perfect rendition of Melbourne's outer suburbs -- with the pretty brick houses and a mega-mall as a focal point for each suburb. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.54.192.207 ( talk • contribs) .
The fictional place is normal but the place where it is set i would say would be a bit different. Kath & Kim is set in the suburb of Patterson Lakes on South Melbourne, If you were to look at even a map of this place you would realise that it is unique because of all the lakes flowing through. I havent been there myself but I am hoping to go soon, I would think there would be more suburbs with lakes like that over the world but not many! -Thomas
The Beginning credit aerial shots can't be from Patterson Lakes because of all the waterways going in and out, none are visible, so to fit in with the storyline i would be thinking they would go to an outer suburb to shoot that bit. -Thomas
Im sure Ive seen an episode where Kims father returns and swindles her out of her house, and her and brett have to go and live with Kath again, or am I imagining it ? Lincolnshire Poacher
I heard that the girls where in the process of writing series 5, is this true? i do hope so, i'm having kath and kim withdrawl's.... Claire from Devon 10th june 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.82.124 ( talk) 21:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
"I couldn't care more about what mum is doing, and I most certainly couldn't care less" 1. This is an incorrect subtitle, it is "I couldn't care more about mum's final floral design piece, I certainly couldn't care less", it says above that it is used frequently, this is not correct it is only used once throughout the whole series, I have removed it because of it being incorrect Thomass 28 23:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
In the Sunday Herald Sun on October 16, 2006, on page 21, there is an article which says that one of the comedians from Little Britain, Matt Lucas, will be a guest star on Kath and Kim. Here is half of the article word for word:
It will be Australiana verses Little Britain when UK comedian Matt Lucas films a guest spot on the comedy Kath & Kim next year.
The bald actor, one half of the hit comedy duo with partner and friend David Walliams, is bringing the live version of the sketch show to Australian on January 22 at Vodafone Arena and will film the scenes before the tour starts. Lucas said he was unsure of exactly what his part was, but has been a long-time fan of the show and has met it's creators Gina Riley and Jane Turner.
Lucas said "There was some possible suggestion that I would play a member of their family, an english cousin or something."
What do people think about this? It's getting me very excited indeed. -- Lakeyboy 04:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Possibly! I am extremely certain that this means there will be a new Kath and Kim production, which could be a 4th series, a telemovie or even a stage production like we have seen Little Britain do.. whereas the main page is saying that there WILL be a new series in 2007 which i think should be changed Thomass 28 00:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
It looks like User:RaptorRobot is going flat out creating extra articles (on characters and more, by the looks of the Bret Craig (Kath & Kim) (sic) article. I have posted a message on his talk page about the poor page naming, but what does everyone else think of these? -- Chuq 07:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Almost every other article about a TV series has seperate pages about their characters, so I don't see what is so wrong with Kath and Kim having one! RaptorRobot 11:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, this article is already very good. I'm just wondering about the spelling of Epponnee-Rae's middle names. Is there an authority for this? I would have expected them to be spelled with an "ene" ending rather than "een", eg. "Darlene" instead of "Darleen". Frickeg 00:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I have used FoxyMorons.net as a source and it says Epponnee Raelene Sharlene Kathleen Darleen Craig so a little bit of both i think this might be in the wrong order though, I always thought it was Epponnee Raelene Kathleen Darleen Sharlene Craig
Somebody has changed the spelling and order of Epponnee Rae's name so instead of debating over what it actually is i have just simply written Epponnee Rae Craig untill we can confirm what her name actually is because it is said as two different names in the series itself so its impossible to tell
Unless the FGSC article can be fleshed out more, it doesn't appear from the article that FGSC is notable by itself, I suggest that that article be merged into this one and a redirect be created from FGSC to this article. A precedent for this is the redirect from Cicely, Alaska to Northern Exposure. -- Joe Decker 14:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
There's a box-set of seasons 1-3 that could have a mentions, also each episode could follow the TV episode template and be bulked out further. A TV infobox could also be added... Peter 09:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone qualify the statement, or cite sources, that the show is a "huge hit" in the United States? Since the bottom of the article mentions it's being remade in the US, I wouldn't think it was a success at all. MrHate 23:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I understand American networks remake foreign television series, because US networks need a twenty-two episode run of a series. A British series may only be made in blocks of six. Eligius ( talk) 23:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Can someone cleanup all the various templates for navboxes of this show and the colors they use in them please ? It's all over the place with yellow, orange and green. Also the character table and the character articles need a LOT of work. Please read the convention on Wikipedia:WikiProject Television. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 20:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
is mandy a recurring character since she's been in the show alot this year?
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, or is mentioned in the article. I was wondering whether the title is a pun on the expression "kith and kin"; is there any evidence of this being the case? Thanks in advance for any responses. Oberschlesien 07:40, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
A lot of this article repeats information like crazy. Lots42 ( talk) 11:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
y does the us HAVE 2 have a remake y cant they use our 1 -- 58.168.196.126 ( talk) 11:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I was reading through the Kath & Kim article, and I thought that it lacked real information.
I think it may be a good idea to add a Reception/Response section; with info about how the show was received by the viewers, critical reviews, show statistics, the show's place in society, its impact, etcetera. This section may also be merged with the ratings.
A production section would also be good. This could include behind the scenes information, filming locations, etcetera. Basically, any real information.
A place I have found to be a good source of info is the Australian Television Information archive, the Kath & Kim articles section has many old newspaper articles that would have many, many useful facts that could be used in these sections. Plus, there is a good source of references that are also needed for the article. Daniel99091 ( talk) 09:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I've done a major cleanup of this article, and have made new articles, expanding sections and added new chapters e.g. the "Characters" section. The only part of the article that deserves significant attention is the "Reaction" section, which could do with a major expansion and a lot more references. Jv821 ( talk) 10:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I have Eyreland someone putting allot of information up on the upcoming flop in the American's version. I do agree that something should be placed in the article about it, but this should be a small something, leading to the USA article for more detail. MattyC3350 ( talk) 13:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed some dubious (and uncited) parts:
what the hell? I just saw john michael higgins in this show, and his wiki page says he has a staring roll in it, yet he doesn't appear on any page about Kath & kim..what gives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.165.129.163 ( talk) 16:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh my bad, theres an American and Australian version of this. Maybe this article should be titled Kath & Kim (Australian TV series)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.165.129.163 ( talk) 16:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 14:30, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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