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This article seems very bias. -- Krenair ( talk • contribs) 03:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
The phrase "forced to provide services" doesn't quite hit the mark, in my opinion. Would examples of being "forced to provide services" include things like restaurants being expected to provide food to paying customers with pro-marriage-equality bumper stickers on their cars? Or firefighters being expected to extinguish blazes at the homes of same-sex couples who had married in other states? It seems to me it might be more accurate to say that the bill would allow people to refuse service under certain circumstances. Rivertorch ( talk) 05:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Kansas House Bill 2453, also known as the Religious Freedom Act, is a piece of legislation proposed in the state of Kansas that would allow people to avoid being forced to provide services in any way related to a same-sex relationship under the name "marriage, domestic partnership, civil union or similar arrangement" if their objection to doing so is based on their religious beliefs.
The "forced" text was mine, but I see how it could be interpreted just as far to one side as I interpreted the "refuse" text that is in the first paragraph. I attempted to insert the actual language from the Bill that uses "required" as an attempt to improve the accuracy of the information. Thanks to Barkeep for cleaning up my insertion. Like most things out there, if you read the actual language of the bill you might come away with a different view of the bill than what is presented in the MSM or here. Reading and thinking for yourself always seems to be a good thing. Stan306 Stan306 ( talk) 17:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Now that this legislation has died after a few days of fuss, I'd suggest that it was never a suitable subject for a WP entry. Few pieces of proposed legislation at the state level are. It was a short-lived news story. It would make a nice paragraph on LGBT rights in Kansas. I think I'll add that.
The broader story would make a very good WP entry, and some of this this material could be used there. I'm not sure what to call it. Perhaps Same-sex marriage panic of 2014? Seriously, I think it's very hard to name. See this story: In One Day, Bills Allowing Anti-LGBT Discrimination Fail In Four States. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 00:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Maybe you should leave this up. It appears that the Kansas legislation is being reformulated and supporters are trying to improve their ability to compete with those who oppose the bill to get their message out. Sportfan seems to be correct that it is part of a bigger discussion given the Arizona legislation and the legislation being developed in many other states. Given that the legislation is only 3 pages in length perhaps expanding the section you call "provisions" to include all of the bill or perhaps the revised language when it is brought forward again (it's in pretty simple English) could allow folks to read it right here without running off to another web site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stan306 ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I think the efforts of late in AZ and KS are part of a longer history that starts with the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (1993) invalidated by the Supreme Court in Boerne v. Flores (1997), which then spawned many attempts to pass a similar statute at the state level, which just seem to morph and focus on specific issues as context changes. A good source on the background and the increasingly expansive language of the legislation as of 2010 is HERE. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 23:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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This article seems very bias. -- Krenair ( talk • contribs) 03:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
The phrase "forced to provide services" doesn't quite hit the mark, in my opinion. Would examples of being "forced to provide services" include things like restaurants being expected to provide food to paying customers with pro-marriage-equality bumper stickers on their cars? Or firefighters being expected to extinguish blazes at the homes of same-sex couples who had married in other states? It seems to me it might be more accurate to say that the bill would allow people to refuse service under certain circumstances. Rivertorch ( talk) 05:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)Kansas House Bill 2453, also known as the Religious Freedom Act, is a piece of legislation proposed in the state of Kansas that would allow people to avoid being forced to provide services in any way related to a same-sex relationship under the name "marriage, domestic partnership, civil union or similar arrangement" if their objection to doing so is based on their religious beliefs.
The "forced" text was mine, but I see how it could be interpreted just as far to one side as I interpreted the "refuse" text that is in the first paragraph. I attempted to insert the actual language from the Bill that uses "required" as an attempt to improve the accuracy of the information. Thanks to Barkeep for cleaning up my insertion. Like most things out there, if you read the actual language of the bill you might come away with a different view of the bill than what is presented in the MSM or here. Reading and thinking for yourself always seems to be a good thing. Stan306 Stan306 ( talk) 17:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Now that this legislation has died after a few days of fuss, I'd suggest that it was never a suitable subject for a WP entry. Few pieces of proposed legislation at the state level are. It was a short-lived news story. It would make a nice paragraph on LGBT rights in Kansas. I think I'll add that.
The broader story would make a very good WP entry, and some of this this material could be used there. I'm not sure what to call it. Perhaps Same-sex marriage panic of 2014? Seriously, I think it's very hard to name. See this story: In One Day, Bills Allowing Anti-LGBT Discrimination Fail In Four States. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 00:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Maybe you should leave this up. It appears that the Kansas legislation is being reformulated and supporters are trying to improve their ability to compete with those who oppose the bill to get their message out. Sportfan seems to be correct that it is part of a bigger discussion given the Arizona legislation and the legislation being developed in many other states. Given that the legislation is only 3 pages in length perhaps expanding the section you call "provisions" to include all of the bill or perhaps the revised language when it is brought forward again (it's in pretty simple English) could allow folks to read it right here without running off to another web site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stan306 ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I think the efforts of late in AZ and KS are part of a longer history that starts with the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (1993) invalidated by the Supreme Court in Boerne v. Flores (1997), which then spawned many attempts to pass a similar statute at the state level, which just seem to morph and focus on specific issues as context changes. A good source on the background and the increasingly expansive language of the legislation as of 2010 is HERE. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 23:16, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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