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Is there a name for this movement? — goethean ॐ 18:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Please focus on improving the article. Off-topic chat can be removed from this talk page. — goethean ॐ 19:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It has to be accepted that Dr.IIaiah speaks bare truth, that is often undigested, and a frustrated response he is labeled biased and anti-hindu, if he was really anti-hindu, he would have targeted many things in Hinduism rather only focusing on the evil caste- system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sam sheyma ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
The following quote:
Take a very simple thing—the Hindu namaste, folding your hands to greet someone—is a very powerful symbolic statement. It suggests that I recognise you but you should not touch me. In contrast, the custom that the Christians introduced of shaking of hands is a touching relationship, while the Muslims go even further and physically embrace you. Even today in the villages the Muslims are the only people who actually physically embrace the Dalit-Bahujans.
Is it still valid ? OR does it have to be modified to accommodate the Pandemic Swine Flu situation into consideration —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.77.28 ( talk) 08:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Hinduism is nothing but a covert mask of Casteism.
In Hinduism parents covertly teach their children to coerce other children as per the caste hierarchies.
--m 16:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
This is a gross generalized allegation. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
123.252.181.55 (
talk)
01:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Open challenge to Kancha Ilaiah : My only contention is( I have read all his vitriolic interviews against hinduism where he freely spews venom on brahminism which he mistakes for something as vast as hinduism )that if the very concept of hinduism is a blasphemy to him, why did he use the reservations that he was entitled to by virtue of being a OBC as part of the same hindu religion that he hates. Also, two things glaringly stand out from his contentious articles/interviews.
He confuses brahminism for hinduism and brands the whole religion as being like brahminism which is completely untrue and displays an immaturity that is hard to digest, which is surprising since no one pointed it out . I mean so many interviews were conducted and none of the respectable media houses countered him with this. Secondly, he uses the terms dalits and OBCs interchangeably , again confusing one for the other. In most areas of Northern and Southern India, expecially in AP from where he hails... there is constant tension between the so called OBCs and dalits over a lot of things, and especially over equality of rights. Hence the very basis on which he hates hinduism is flimsy and weak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianonwarpath ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Most of the discussion here is more than a year old. I propose that they be archived. -- ManasShaikh ( talk) 18:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
First off Jayjg: Threatening to use admin powers in a content dispute and then ignoring attempts at discussion is chilling. Now on to Kancha Ilaiah himself. He is a polemicist. His work (and his views to a degree) is revolutionary, and hence has brooked substantial criticism. His quotes are sensational. Here's a quote, a famous one, cited in academic literature and straight from his books:
a Sudra critique of Hindutva, philosophy, culture, and political economy - Samya Publishers, 1996 p132) cited by (The Politics of Cultural Practice:Thinking Through Theatre in an Age of Globalization by Rustom Bharucha, Wesleyan University Press, 1991 p110) among multiple other sources - these are from a superficial google books search-. There has also been no sensible argument for how this link violates any part of WP:BLP. Its an interview in Indian mainstream media and it quotes him accurately. Ditto for the firstport article, which was an article I added far after the article was cleansed of blogspot links and Hindutva-cruft. Yet again, an article from a mainstream and reliable source, quoted accurately has been deleted with no real justification (Merely writing " WP:BLP" surprisingly enough doesn't mean that one is actually following the policy). Pectore talk 22:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I have absolutely no idea why this article is in Category:Pseudohistory, nor can I find any discussion in the talk archives. I am going to remove it because the category can have BLP implications and should thus be reliably sourced. - Sitush ( talk) 14:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I know that a fair few Dalit activists are Buddhists and I can see that Ilaiah has written a book titled Why I am not a Hindu but neither of these amount to the self-identification of religious belief that is required for biographies of living people. For that reason, I am removing Category:Indian Buddhists pending the insertion of appropriate verification. Please see WP:BLPCAT. - Sitush ( talk) 15:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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Someone just moved this article to Kancha Ilaiah Shepherd and I reverted it as the move appears to be undiscussed and contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. I'm not sure how WP:BLP plays into this situation. - Sitush ( talk) 17:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
I think WP:COMMONNAME applies. Also he hasn't legally changed his name which implies it was mostly a political stunt. Linguisticgeek ( talk)
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Is there a name for this movement? — goethean ॐ 18:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Please focus on improving the article. Off-topic chat can be removed from this talk page. — goethean ॐ 19:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It has to be accepted that Dr.IIaiah speaks bare truth, that is often undigested, and a frustrated response he is labeled biased and anti-hindu, if he was really anti-hindu, he would have targeted many things in Hinduism rather only focusing on the evil caste- system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sam sheyma ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
The following quote:
Take a very simple thing—the Hindu namaste, folding your hands to greet someone—is a very powerful symbolic statement. It suggests that I recognise you but you should not touch me. In contrast, the custom that the Christians introduced of shaking of hands is a touching relationship, while the Muslims go even further and physically embrace you. Even today in the villages the Muslims are the only people who actually physically embrace the Dalit-Bahujans.
Is it still valid ? OR does it have to be modified to accommodate the Pandemic Swine Flu situation into consideration —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.77.28 ( talk) 08:23, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Hinduism is nothing but a covert mask of Casteism.
In Hinduism parents covertly teach their children to coerce other children as per the caste hierarchies.
--m 16:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
This is a gross generalized allegation. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
123.252.181.55 (
talk)
01:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Open challenge to Kancha Ilaiah : My only contention is( I have read all his vitriolic interviews against hinduism where he freely spews venom on brahminism which he mistakes for something as vast as hinduism )that if the very concept of hinduism is a blasphemy to him, why did he use the reservations that he was entitled to by virtue of being a OBC as part of the same hindu religion that he hates. Also, two things glaringly stand out from his contentious articles/interviews.
He confuses brahminism for hinduism and brands the whole religion as being like brahminism which is completely untrue and displays an immaturity that is hard to digest, which is surprising since no one pointed it out . I mean so many interviews were conducted and none of the respectable media houses countered him with this. Secondly, he uses the terms dalits and OBCs interchangeably , again confusing one for the other. In most areas of Northern and Southern India, expecially in AP from where he hails... there is constant tension between the so called OBCs and dalits over a lot of things, and especially over equality of rights. Hence the very basis on which he hates hinduism is flimsy and weak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indianonwarpath ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Most of the discussion here is more than a year old. I propose that they be archived. -- ManasShaikh ( talk) 18:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
First off Jayjg: Threatening to use admin powers in a content dispute and then ignoring attempts at discussion is chilling. Now on to Kancha Ilaiah himself. He is a polemicist. His work (and his views to a degree) is revolutionary, and hence has brooked substantial criticism. His quotes are sensational. Here's a quote, a famous one, cited in academic literature and straight from his books:
a Sudra critique of Hindutva, philosophy, culture, and political economy - Samya Publishers, 1996 p132) cited by (The Politics of Cultural Practice:Thinking Through Theatre in an Age of Globalization by Rustom Bharucha, Wesleyan University Press, 1991 p110) among multiple other sources - these are from a superficial google books search-. There has also been no sensible argument for how this link violates any part of WP:BLP. Its an interview in Indian mainstream media and it quotes him accurately. Ditto for the firstport article, which was an article I added far after the article was cleansed of blogspot links and Hindutva-cruft. Yet again, an article from a mainstream and reliable source, quoted accurately has been deleted with no real justification (Merely writing " WP:BLP" surprisingly enough doesn't mean that one is actually following the policy). Pectore talk 22:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I have absolutely no idea why this article is in Category:Pseudohistory, nor can I find any discussion in the talk archives. I am going to remove it because the category can have BLP implications and should thus be reliably sourced. - Sitush ( talk) 14:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I know that a fair few Dalit activists are Buddhists and I can see that Ilaiah has written a book titled Why I am not a Hindu but neither of these amount to the self-identification of religious belief that is required for biographies of living people. For that reason, I am removing Category:Indian Buddhists pending the insertion of appropriate verification. Please see WP:BLPCAT. - Sitush ( talk) 15:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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Someone just moved this article to Kancha Ilaiah Shepherd and I reverted it as the move appears to be undiscussed and contrary to WP:COMMONNAME. I'm not sure how WP:BLP plays into this situation. - Sitush ( talk) 17:01, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
I think WP:COMMONNAME applies. Also he hasn't legally changed his name which implies it was mostly a political stunt. Linguisticgeek ( talk)