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The Ottoman-era door of the Kaaba (built ca. 1635, replaced ca. 1947) is currently on a U.S. tour. Perhaps someone can get a freely licensed high-quality photo of it at one of the stops? It's possible none of them will allow photography, but perhaps worth a try. -- Delirium ( talk) 04:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
What on earth is this? It is presented as the Black Stone but it doesn't look like a stone (or anything else), it doesn't have a source, and it looks nothing like the drawing at Black Stone. Besides that, even if it is genuine, the poor image quality makes it worse than useless. Zero talk 09:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
This image will always cause a problem. Would it not be better to replace it with one which carries the same meaning but is respectful of Muslim traditions? B/c when i see the rationale and its necessity in the article it does not seem to balance the constant objections it brings to Wikipedia. This thing about Wikipedia not censoring is also not true. Because the image of JFK post-Lee Harvey encounter is censored, dead bodies, porn and sex related items are also censored. Another less controversial image can be used. -- Inayity ( talk) 13:33, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand your argument. Are you seriously saying that the black stone is irrelevant to the "Muhammad era"? You seem to be suggesting that this being stated as being from a Persian work " gives the impression that it was done by Muslims". The problem with the caption is that it doesn't make it clear that it was done by a Muslim. So you are asking us to remove the image because it was done by a Muslim? It's obviously notable although as Paul says that's not actually relevant. Being uncommon or even unique doesn't make it in any way WP:UNDUE. Dougweller ( talk) 16:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The Kaaba was FIRST built by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Abraham. If Wiki could correct this error, please - would be great.
References:
http://www.al-islam.org/story-of-the-holy-kaaba-and-its-people-shabbar/kaaba-house-allah http://thefaithinislam.freeservers.com/catalog.html http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/kaaba.htm http://www.everymuslim.co.za/index.php/articles-menu/hajj-umrah-menu/34-cat-makkah-and-its-virtues/515-the-kaaba-history-and-re-construction http://www.islamforamal.com/Home/additonal-information/construction-of-kaaba http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/10/the-story-of-kaaba-2/
on and on and on
After Prabhakar Vardhan’s death in 605 and Harsha died in the year 647 prophet Muhammad was about 570 CE in the Arabian city of Mecca,came to Kaaba and told this is the holy place for Muslim but that is the holy place Hindu for before prophet Muhammad Hindu are born in 200 AD think it is the how holy place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.111.218.42 ( talk) 10:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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115.111.218.42 ( talk) 10:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC) Kaaba is the Hindu place Kaaba is no as kabbalinshwara shiva temple was build my 530 AD. According to the Chinese Pilgrim Xuanzang, who visited his kingdom in 636,the first historical poetic work in Sanskrit language, The Priyadarsika appears to be the earliest of Harsha's plays. It and the Ratnavali deal with the amorous adventures of the king Vatsa, his queen Vasavadatta, and newcomers to the royal harem. Both plays borrow from the earlier works of Bhasa and Kalidasa (especially the latter's Malavikagnimitra) and are based ultimately on material in the collection Brhatkatha. These plays lack thematic novelty but sustain interest through brisk dialogue. Both are frequently cited by later writers on dramatic theory and technique.
Harsha's Nagananda is his most important play. It is, in fact, a singular creation in Sanskrit drama. This five-act drama draws again on the Brhatkatha for the substance of its first three acts. In them, the hero, Jimutavahana, Prince of the Vidyadharas, meets and marries the Siddha princess Malayavati. To that point, the romance of the fairy prince and princess is quite conventional.
The mood of the play changes sharply in the fourth act. Jimutavahana discovers mounds of skeletons which evidence the daily sacrifice of serpents to the celestial bird Garuda. The hero resolves to offer his own body so that the serpents may be spared (a type of resolution very familiar in Buddhist literature). At the drama's conclusion it is the non-Buddhist goddess Gauri, however, who restores the bodhisattva, Jimutavahana, to life. In this attractive and moving drama, Harsha combined Buddhist and "Hindu" themes adroitly and uniquely, and through it one sees clearly his artistic and political genius,Harsha died in the year 647.Muslim are starting entering to India Kaaba and other place link road Afghanistan is also the Hindu place in this way they start ruling india
References from Ibn Ishaq have been added with secondary source data on pre-Islamic worship of the Kaaba. Cpsoper ( talk) 18:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC) An editor has removed several well referenced sections and an illustration, and again. Cpsoper ( talk) 15:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC) See footnote 2 p.85 for verification 'the feminine form...' etc. The last edit reverted. Cpsoper ( talk) 21:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
In describing the demolition of the temple, specifically identified as the Ka'ba (sic), Al Walid says, 'O God, do not Thou (f.s.) be afraid'. Rarely in Sirat ar Rasul is the Kaaba so addressed directly, are there any instances where it is addressed as male? Alas I spent time searching through the Cairo book fairs for a copy of the Arabic text in vain. Cpsoper ( talk) 21:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The article says "sides measuring 11.03 m (36.2 ft) by 12.86 m (42.2 ft).[11][12] ... The interior walls, measuring 13 m (43 ft) by 9 m (30 ft)" How can there be an interior wall of 13 m when the longest exterior wall is 12.86 m? how thick are the walls? JPLeonard ( talk) 06:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Removal of Photos depicting Prophet Mohammed (SAS)
There are a few articles on Wikipedia including Kaaba, which show the images of Prophet Mohammed where as such must not be the case. It is strictly forbidden in Islam to do so. It's a wrong doing for which Allah will punish severely. It's very disturbing and hurting to Muslim world. I request Wikipedia to remove these photos immediately. Thank You!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferraribauer ( talk • contribs) 12:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I would like to agree with the above mentioned comment suggesting a compromise on the image of the Prophet. Perhaps the article should start with a warning saying some content could be offensive to some religious denominations. If blurring the article in the thumbnail is not feasible we could try describing, in the image caption, such a warning. AN example of such a statement could be like "viewer discretion is advised, this image may contain offensive content to some religious groups"
Why is it haaram to have image or picture of the prophet? How come then that Muslims takes pictures of photos of themselves in marriage or other events? Isnt that haraam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.120.182.123 ( talk) 07:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
"The Kaaba stands upon a 250 cm (98 in) marble base that projects outwards about 35 cm (14 in)"
Should the base be the "gutter" ('4' on the drawing) and in this case probably 25cm x 35cm are the correct measures. Unfortunately 25x35 cm seem too short for the gutter as it can be seen on the picture of Kiswah page. File/ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Kaaba_%281910%29-2.jpg The gutter seems larger: at least 50x50cm comparing the man standing next to the wall under the door. And if I calculate the measures of the gutter from data showing on the drawing with dimensions, then it results to be 67.5 cm at one wall or 56 cm at another. (11.53-10.18 /2 ; 13.16-12.04 /2)
However the man is standing on something which could be a base. but it does not seem to be marble, and in this case it is probably 2.5 x 35 cm. The reference for these measures (Wensinck, A. J; Ka`ba. Encyclopaedia of Islam IV p. 317) are not available to me to check, and also I did not find any authentic english www references about the base or the gutter which could clarify the measures. (It is also unknown where the dimension data on the drawing originated. Very likely it is a scanned pilgrimage leaflet page) [1])
Please correct the measures if you find authentic data. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSoos ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The history section currently doesn't include even the vaguest of dates for construction, only the reconstruction by muhammed and the non-historic traditional date, is there really no reference to it before muhammed? 92.25.48.49 ( talk) 13:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the history section. Beforehand it was a confusing jumble of islamic traditional views and lots of orientalist comments, some of them totally irrelevant. I've separated the two into sections and merged redundant stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.66.122 ( talk) 14:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The introduction of a new section giving Muslim folklore before an encyclopedic account of the history of the Kaaba appears tendentious and needs much better justification. I have reverted a substantial section of it, including some of the removed referenced material. Cpsoper ( talk) 15:20, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
This article should include Kaaba in popular culture such as books, movies, music or any televised event. A section or seperate article about destruction threats should also included. (such as Grand Mosque Seizure, Ottoman era vandalisms and ISIS threats) Onur T 15:59, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
There must be an error here: the dimensions of the interior rectangle (13 m (43 ft) by 9 m (30 ft)) do not fit within the dimensions of the exterior rectangle (11.03 m (36.2 ft) by 12.86 m (42.2 ft)). Apparently the longest side of the interior is longer than the longest side of the exterior. Hardcode57 ( talk) 20:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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The Ottoman-era door of the Kaaba (built ca. 1635, replaced ca. 1947) is currently on a U.S. tour. Perhaps someone can get a freely licensed high-quality photo of it at one of the stops? It's possible none of them will allow photography, but perhaps worth a try. -- Delirium ( talk) 04:56, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
What on earth is this? It is presented as the Black Stone but it doesn't look like a stone (or anything else), it doesn't have a source, and it looks nothing like the drawing at Black Stone. Besides that, even if it is genuine, the poor image quality makes it worse than useless. Zero talk 09:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
This image will always cause a problem. Would it not be better to replace it with one which carries the same meaning but is respectful of Muslim traditions? B/c when i see the rationale and its necessity in the article it does not seem to balance the constant objections it brings to Wikipedia. This thing about Wikipedia not censoring is also not true. Because the image of JFK post-Lee Harvey encounter is censored, dead bodies, porn and sex related items are also censored. Another less controversial image can be used. -- Inayity ( talk) 13:33, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand your argument. Are you seriously saying that the black stone is irrelevant to the "Muhammad era"? You seem to be suggesting that this being stated as being from a Persian work " gives the impression that it was done by Muslims". The problem with the caption is that it doesn't make it clear that it was done by a Muslim. So you are asking us to remove the image because it was done by a Muslim? It's obviously notable although as Paul says that's not actually relevant. Being uncommon or even unique doesn't make it in any way WP:UNDUE. Dougweller ( talk) 16:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
The Kaaba was FIRST built by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Abraham. If Wiki could correct this error, please - would be great.
References:
http://www.al-islam.org/story-of-the-holy-kaaba-and-its-people-shabbar/kaaba-house-allah http://thefaithinislam.freeservers.com/catalog.html http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/kaaba.htm http://www.everymuslim.co.za/index.php/articles-menu/hajj-umrah-menu/34-cat-makkah-and-its-virtues/515-the-kaaba-history-and-re-construction http://www.islamforamal.com/Home/additonal-information/construction-of-kaaba http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/10/the-story-of-kaaba-2/
on and on and on
After Prabhakar Vardhan’s death in 605 and Harsha died in the year 647 prophet Muhammad was about 570 CE in the Arabian city of Mecca,came to Kaaba and told this is the holy place for Muslim but that is the holy place Hindu for before prophet Muhammad Hindu are born in 200 AD think it is the how holy place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.111.218.42 ( talk) 10:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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115.111.218.42 ( talk) 10:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC) Kaaba is the Hindu place Kaaba is no as kabbalinshwara shiva temple was build my 530 AD. According to the Chinese Pilgrim Xuanzang, who visited his kingdom in 636,the first historical poetic work in Sanskrit language, The Priyadarsika appears to be the earliest of Harsha's plays. It and the Ratnavali deal with the amorous adventures of the king Vatsa, his queen Vasavadatta, and newcomers to the royal harem. Both plays borrow from the earlier works of Bhasa and Kalidasa (especially the latter's Malavikagnimitra) and are based ultimately on material in the collection Brhatkatha. These plays lack thematic novelty but sustain interest through brisk dialogue. Both are frequently cited by later writers on dramatic theory and technique.
Harsha's Nagananda is his most important play. It is, in fact, a singular creation in Sanskrit drama. This five-act drama draws again on the Brhatkatha for the substance of its first three acts. In them, the hero, Jimutavahana, Prince of the Vidyadharas, meets and marries the Siddha princess Malayavati. To that point, the romance of the fairy prince and princess is quite conventional.
The mood of the play changes sharply in the fourth act. Jimutavahana discovers mounds of skeletons which evidence the daily sacrifice of serpents to the celestial bird Garuda. The hero resolves to offer his own body so that the serpents may be spared (a type of resolution very familiar in Buddhist literature). At the drama's conclusion it is the non-Buddhist goddess Gauri, however, who restores the bodhisattva, Jimutavahana, to life. In this attractive and moving drama, Harsha combined Buddhist and "Hindu" themes adroitly and uniquely, and through it one sees clearly his artistic and political genius,Harsha died in the year 647.Muslim are starting entering to India Kaaba and other place link road Afghanistan is also the Hindu place in this way they start ruling india
References from Ibn Ishaq have been added with secondary source data on pre-Islamic worship of the Kaaba. Cpsoper ( talk) 18:55, 17 June 2014 (UTC) An editor has removed several well referenced sections and an illustration, and again. Cpsoper ( talk) 15:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC) See footnote 2 p.85 for verification 'the feminine form...' etc. The last edit reverted. Cpsoper ( talk) 21:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
In describing the demolition of the temple, specifically identified as the Ka'ba (sic), Al Walid says, 'O God, do not Thou (f.s.) be afraid'. Rarely in Sirat ar Rasul is the Kaaba so addressed directly, are there any instances where it is addressed as male? Alas I spent time searching through the Cairo book fairs for a copy of the Arabic text in vain. Cpsoper ( talk) 21:50, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
The article says "sides measuring 11.03 m (36.2 ft) by 12.86 m (42.2 ft).[11][12] ... The interior walls, measuring 13 m (43 ft) by 9 m (30 ft)" How can there be an interior wall of 13 m when the longest exterior wall is 12.86 m? how thick are the walls? JPLeonard ( talk) 06:38, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Removal of Photos depicting Prophet Mohammed (SAS)
There are a few articles on Wikipedia including Kaaba, which show the images of Prophet Mohammed where as such must not be the case. It is strictly forbidden in Islam to do so. It's a wrong doing for which Allah will punish severely. It's very disturbing and hurting to Muslim world. I request Wikipedia to remove these photos immediately. Thank You!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferraribauer ( talk • contribs) 12:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
I would like to agree with the above mentioned comment suggesting a compromise on the image of the Prophet. Perhaps the article should start with a warning saying some content could be offensive to some religious denominations. If blurring the article in the thumbnail is not feasible we could try describing, in the image caption, such a warning. AN example of such a statement could be like "viewer discretion is advised, this image may contain offensive content to some religious groups"
Why is it haaram to have image or picture of the prophet? How come then that Muslims takes pictures of photos of themselves in marriage or other events? Isnt that haraam? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.120.182.123 ( talk) 07:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
"The Kaaba stands upon a 250 cm (98 in) marble base that projects outwards about 35 cm (14 in)"
Should the base be the "gutter" ('4' on the drawing) and in this case probably 25cm x 35cm are the correct measures. Unfortunately 25x35 cm seem too short for the gutter as it can be seen on the picture of Kiswah page. File/ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Kaaba_%281910%29-2.jpg The gutter seems larger: at least 50x50cm comparing the man standing next to the wall under the door. And if I calculate the measures of the gutter from data showing on the drawing with dimensions, then it results to be 67.5 cm at one wall or 56 cm at another. (11.53-10.18 /2 ; 13.16-12.04 /2)
However the man is standing on something which could be a base. but it does not seem to be marble, and in this case it is probably 2.5 x 35 cm. The reference for these measures (Wensinck, A. J; Ka`ba. Encyclopaedia of Islam IV p. 317) are not available to me to check, and also I did not find any authentic english www references about the base or the gutter which could clarify the measures. (It is also unknown where the dimension data on the drawing originated. Very likely it is a scanned pilgrimage leaflet page) [1])
Please correct the measures if you find authentic data. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JSoos ( talk • contribs) 23:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
The history section currently doesn't include even the vaguest of dates for construction, only the reconstruction by muhammed and the non-historic traditional date, is there really no reference to it before muhammed? 92.25.48.49 ( talk) 13:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the history section. Beforehand it was a confusing jumble of islamic traditional views and lots of orientalist comments, some of them totally irrelevant. I've separated the two into sections and merged redundant stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.66.122 ( talk) 14:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
The introduction of a new section giving Muslim folklore before an encyclopedic account of the history of the Kaaba appears tendentious and needs much better justification. I have reverted a substantial section of it, including some of the removed referenced material. Cpsoper ( talk) 15:20, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
This article should include Kaaba in popular culture such as books, movies, music or any televised event. A section or seperate article about destruction threats should also included. (such as Grand Mosque Seizure, Ottoman era vandalisms and ISIS threats) Onur T 15:59, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
There must be an error here: the dimensions of the interior rectangle (13 m (43 ft) by 9 m (30 ft)) do not fit within the dimensions of the exterior rectangle (11.03 m (36.2 ft) by 12.86 m (42.2 ft)). Apparently the longest side of the interior is longer than the longest side of the exterior. Hardcode57 ( talk) 20:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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