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Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 11:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved. Although the requester of this move seems to misunderstand what a serial number is, there haven't been any arguments actually opposing the move. -- Aervanath ( talk) 16:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
When it comes to weapons, we normally use the serial number then the nick/code name after (ex: M1 Abrams, F-15 Eagle, etc.). K9 Thunder is more appropriate than K-9 howitzer since howitzer is just a class of the weapon, not the name. Kadrun ( talk) 22:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I am removing most of the material in "Operational History".
It appears to be a deliberate misrepresentation of information reported in the Korean sources to make the K9 appear less effective than it is. The sources read, for example "it was found that 14 of the 45 rounds hit fields and rice paddies, not the artillery sites" and "of the six K9 guns, only three were used"
Previous sources:
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2930229
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/11/113_77022.html
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/12/205_77338.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.210.50 ( talk) 14:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is there such a big weight variation between the two? Licenced versions of an original often have local modifications but are usually minor improvements or the use of equivalent local components to support local companies (eg local engine, localy produced barrel, different electronics etc), but 9 ton is almost 20% heavier. They appear to use the same engine, gun & chassis. Electronics, although potentially a quite significant variation does not weigh much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.171.145.83 ( talk) 11:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
We have an ongoing vandalism in both K9 Thunder and T-155 Firtina article by user Progressive288. This is not a first attempt of editor to trying to remove traits of K9 Thunder from T-155 Firtina. The user Progressive288 keep justifies his/her editing by saying "not verified by Turkish official", and does not provide sources to support claims. If this is ongoing, I will have to summon admin to end this. Kadrun ( talk) 18:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Kadrun, even the width and height of K9 Thunder, T-155 and AHS Krab are unique and these vehicles aren't exported K9 Thunder but instead, its subsystems as there is way difference between exporting K9 Thunder and exporting the subsystems of K9 Thunder. Majority of the references that were provided in order to say Turkey pays license pee to South Korea are only claimed by South Korea based sources and other sources refence it. It's not verified by Turkish officials. You're the one trying to prove that T-155 is exported K9 Thunder, meanwhile based on the agreement, subsystems of K9 Thunder were sold to Turkey and by those subsystems, Turkey made an indigenous self propelled artillery vehicle. Well, if it was K9 Thunder, then you could add this to K9 Thunder's "exports" section, but all of its trade-export rights belong to Turkey. Progressive288 ( talk) 23:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello Redalert2fan, no one has said Turkish sources worth more than Korean one, Korean sources just makes 50% of reliability compared to Turkish sources on this issue, so it's not enough to prove anything. Secondly, the sources must be official, I don't see any ".gov" extension of the website, so how could I trust if it's an official statement by South Korean officials? .. A counter Turkish official source has to make a statement for the verification of the claims by those South Korean websites as the subject of T-155 and K9 Thunder is based on the agreements between two countries the Turkey and South Korea. If the user "Kadrun" claims T-155 is K9 Thunder, then he must accept K9 Thunder is M109 howitzer K55 as the K9 Thunder is based on the American howitzer. Progressive288 ( talk) 23:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@Redalert2fan .. Bullsh, if T-155 is considered as based on K9 Thunder as well as South Korea's being involved, then K9 Thunder is based on M109 howitzer K55 as the whole chassis and turret has same shape. So K55 is based on M109, then there must be the US defined as the designer of K9 Thunder. I see you're biased on this issue. Progressive288 ( talk) 15:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
A simple question, can anyone provide one RS to support their claim? Slatersteven ( talk) 15:11, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can see we have RS saying it is based on it, no RS contesting this so its based upon it. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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It is claimed in the article that K-9 was able to start at -40 degrees. I don't think that kind of temperatures have ever been recorded in Norway, the Golf Stream keeps the fjords open and extreme cold at bay. 2001:14BA:502C:3400:2D06:AD0E:7C9F:27B9 ( talk) 20:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 11:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
The result of the move request was moved. Although the requester of this move seems to misunderstand what a serial number is, there haven't been any arguments actually opposing the move. -- Aervanath ( talk) 16:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
When it comes to weapons, we normally use the serial number then the nick/code name after (ex: M1 Abrams, F-15 Eagle, etc.). K9 Thunder is more appropriate than K-9 howitzer since howitzer is just a class of the weapon, not the name. Kadrun ( talk) 22:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I am removing most of the material in "Operational History".
It appears to be a deliberate misrepresentation of information reported in the Korean sources to make the K9 appear less effective than it is. The sources read, for example "it was found that 14 of the 45 rounds hit fields and rice paddies, not the artillery sites" and "of the six K9 guns, only three were used"
Previous sources:
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2930229
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/11/113_77022.html
http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/12/205_77338.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.210.50 ( talk) 14:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is there such a big weight variation between the two? Licenced versions of an original often have local modifications but are usually minor improvements or the use of equivalent local components to support local companies (eg local engine, localy produced barrel, different electronics etc), but 9 ton is almost 20% heavier. They appear to use the same engine, gun & chassis. Electronics, although potentially a quite significant variation does not weigh much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.171.145.83 ( talk) 11:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
We have an ongoing vandalism in both K9 Thunder and T-155 Firtina article by user Progressive288. This is not a first attempt of editor to trying to remove traits of K9 Thunder from T-155 Firtina. The user Progressive288 keep justifies his/her editing by saying "not verified by Turkish official", and does not provide sources to support claims. If this is ongoing, I will have to summon admin to end this. Kadrun ( talk) 18:50, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi Kadrun, even the width and height of K9 Thunder, T-155 and AHS Krab are unique and these vehicles aren't exported K9 Thunder but instead, its subsystems as there is way difference between exporting K9 Thunder and exporting the subsystems of K9 Thunder. Majority of the references that were provided in order to say Turkey pays license pee to South Korea are only claimed by South Korea based sources and other sources refence it. It's not verified by Turkish officials. You're the one trying to prove that T-155 is exported K9 Thunder, meanwhile based on the agreement, subsystems of K9 Thunder were sold to Turkey and by those subsystems, Turkey made an indigenous self propelled artillery vehicle. Well, if it was K9 Thunder, then you could add this to K9 Thunder's "exports" section, but all of its trade-export rights belong to Turkey. Progressive288 ( talk) 23:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello Redalert2fan, no one has said Turkish sources worth more than Korean one, Korean sources just makes 50% of reliability compared to Turkish sources on this issue, so it's not enough to prove anything. Secondly, the sources must be official, I don't see any ".gov" extension of the website, so how could I trust if it's an official statement by South Korean officials? .. A counter Turkish official source has to make a statement for the verification of the claims by those South Korean websites as the subject of T-155 and K9 Thunder is based on the agreements between two countries the Turkey and South Korea. If the user "Kadrun" claims T-155 is K9 Thunder, then he must accept K9 Thunder is M109 howitzer K55 as the K9 Thunder is based on the American howitzer. Progressive288 ( talk) 23:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
@Redalert2fan .. Bullsh, if T-155 is considered as based on K9 Thunder as well as South Korea's being involved, then K9 Thunder is based on M109 howitzer K55 as the whole chassis and turret has same shape. So K55 is based on M109, then there must be the US defined as the designer of K9 Thunder. I see you're biased on this issue. Progressive288 ( talk) 15:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
A simple question, can anyone provide one RS to support their claim? Slatersteven ( talk) 15:11, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can see we have RS saying it is based on it, no RS contesting this so its based upon it. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:08, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 22:48, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
It is claimed in the article that K-9 was able to start at -40 degrees. I don't think that kind of temperatures have ever been recorded in Norway, the Golf Stream keeps the fjords open and extreme cold at bay. 2001:14BA:502C:3400:2D06:AD0E:7C9F:27B9 ( talk) 20:01, 22 October 2022 (UTC)