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There must be all the statements and actions taken by him as a chief minister for degrading West Bengal to the lowest status of all the states in India.
User: Ashis Ray Soman, you must stop bhandalising pages. We are supposed to write only Communist propaganda, not facts.
Soman, I do not understand your reversion [1]. Jyoti Basu's full name is in fact Jyotirmoy Basu. The MoS clearly says that his full name should be introduced in the lead section and all subsequent references should be only to the surname. That is what I was trying to follow. — Ravikiran 10:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[ [ User : Ashis Ray ]Jyoti Basu's full name is Jyotikiran Basu. Jyotirmoy Basu was a different man and ex-MP, Lok Sabha, from Diamond Harbour Constituency in West Bengal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.150.18 ( talk) 06:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
As Ragib, Peripatetic and an anon user have all pointed out in edit summaries, per WP:BLP and WP:OR, this article is in a dreadful state. Unless a ton of fairly NPOV statements are sourced pretty soon, I'll be removing them. Hornplease 23:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hindu college was established on 1855......it was renamed presidency college,calcutta on 1955
The change by User:59.93.240.49 at 16:39, 17 January 2010 [2] appears to be from here [3]. As per wp:copyvio I've revered it. CS Miller ( talk) 17:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
who had deleted the brief life sketch of jyoti basu? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.240.49 ( talk) 17:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The condolence messages of politburo and of cm is quoted....and not copied......why are you deleting them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.240.49 ( talk) 17:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
okays........sorry for blaming you........Anshuva (user:59.93.240.49) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anshuva Sanyal ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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This article clearly needs some work to tidy it up and to rectify the fulsomeness of tone. On the other hand, the importance assigned to it by some of the projects is shocking and a clear sign of ethnocentric bias. How can a man who ruled one of India's most important states for 23 years and was a founder of the CPI(M) count as of low importance to the Socialism project? It would be just as plausible to argue that Basu was the most important and successful Marxist politician anywhere in the world in the second half of 20th century. Sjwells53 ( talk) 19:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the edit on Jyoti Basu presiding over the state's industrial decline is being removed. I find it surprising that someone even disagrees with this well established fact. A simple Google search points us to articles which illustrate the point.
I share a few of the links here:
http://cpasindia.org/articles/mg-05-03-17-industrial-decline-west-bengal.html
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2691567
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/basu-presided-over-bengals-industrial-decline/108880-37.html
Notacommunist ( talk) 06:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The industrial decline of West Bengal under communist rule from 1977 to present has to be noted. As a leader of the alliance which is ruling West Bengal, Jyoti Basu bears responsibility to it.
Facts: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2005/04/01/stories/2005040100090900.htm
"West Bengal's performance is comparable to that of Maharashtra where the comparable decline from 1977-78 to 1999-2000 was 55.28 per cent to 25.02 per cent or a decline in incidence of 55.22 per cent. When the performance of West Bengal and Maharashtra is related, the former having fared dismally in terms of industrial expansion while the latter was a star on this account, perhaps those who influence policies in this country will be able to distinguish reality from perceptions."
"It is not that the Communists did not have a role to play in the industrial decline of West Bengal. The Chief Minister, Mr Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, himself has been candid about this when he admitted at a CII gathering: "Yes, it is true that we have committed mistakes and have been irresponsible. You have heard of the word gherao, which means surrounding the management. It is now part of the English dictionary." Often these gheraos and the more traditional forms of industrial action ended up in violence resulting in a flight of capital from West Bengal.
Worse, this kind of militancy led to competitive militancy and now trade unions affiliated to all political parties make similar demands and use similar methods. This has made all trade unions more comfortable with state ownership with the obvious attendant benefits of assured salaries and pay increases, full tenures, and annual bonuses, without any relation to productivity and corporate health. When an industry was rendered sick, it was taken over by the government to protect jobs and not so much to contribute to the economy. Examples abound all over the country, but West Bengal typified it."
There are many such articles, unfortunately being suppressed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notacommunist ( talk • contribs) 17:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Under the section 'Chief Minister of West Bengal' it is mentioned 'he was also a hypocrite and characterless personality' Is this intentional or a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.221.147.90 ( talk) 18:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi @ Tayi Arajakate: Great you are developing this article. You take help from this article; especially writing the article in a balance manner mentioning both his achievement and criticism. Also ensure providing good quality reliance sources otherwise somebody in future will remove those information. Try to provide scholarly level sources. Thanks-- Amrita62 ( talk) 06:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Do you have any policy based reasoning why I shouldn't use publications which qualify as WP:NEWSORG? And no, the news sources I've used are not "highly left wing biased", not to mention bias isn't even equivalent to unreliability. For the descriptor of "statesman", I have used The Hindustan Times, The Hindu and NDTV, all of which are established mainstream news publications. Tayi Arajakate Talk 01:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The lack of investigation means that various estimates of the killings continue to circulate years after the event. While Atharobaki Biswas is very specific in stating that 4,128 families died in transit from starvation, exhaustion and police firing.
As no commission was allowed to be setup, the official figure put the deaths at 2 even though the actual deaths were in thousand based on multiple sources documented by survivors who are settled and still fighting for a commission to be setup for investigation.
Fail to understand why a sentence in Bengali is suddenly inserted here Biman Bose announced with tears, "জ্যোতি বাবু আমাদের ছেড়ে চলে গেছেন।" (trans. "Jyoti Babu is no more. I can't speak any more.") At any rate the translation of the Bengali sentence is - 'Jyoti Babu has left us and gone away.' The words 'gone away' here refers to death in a colloquial sense. Suggest keeping just the English sentences, which though are not exactly what he said, ref. link here youtube.com/watch?v=olWT36ATHQU It would be appropriate to perhaps take off the entire reference to Biman Bose's reaction to Jyoti Basu's death. The preceding sentence quire adequately provides the information on the date and time of Jyoti Basu's death. Fail to see what additional information(aside from an inaccurate translation) is being achieved by the sentences referring to Biman Bose . Suksane ( talk) 13:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
All the members of the first polit bureau are known as navaratnas of Cpim . Jyoti Basu was a member of it . Then what's the problem ? For source https://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/founders-of-cpi-m-uaw133/ https://peoplesdemocracy.in/2014/0706_pd/comrade-jyoti-basu-last-navaratnas https://vannamboodiri.com/2015/03/02/who-are-the-navaratnas-of-cpim/ Guypes26 ( talk) 06:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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There must be all the statements and actions taken by him as a chief minister for degrading West Bengal to the lowest status of all the states in India.
User: Ashis Ray Soman, you must stop bhandalising pages. We are supposed to write only Communist propaganda, not facts.
Soman, I do not understand your reversion [1]. Jyoti Basu's full name is in fact Jyotirmoy Basu. The MoS clearly says that his full name should be introduced in the lead section and all subsequent references should be only to the surname. That is what I was trying to follow. — Ravikiran 10:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[ [ User : Ashis Ray ]Jyoti Basu's full name is Jyotikiran Basu. Jyotirmoy Basu was a different man and ex-MP, Lok Sabha, from Diamond Harbour Constituency in West Bengal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.150.18 ( talk) 06:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
As Ragib, Peripatetic and an anon user have all pointed out in edit summaries, per WP:BLP and WP:OR, this article is in a dreadful state. Unless a ton of fairly NPOV statements are sourced pretty soon, I'll be removing them. Hornplease 23:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hindu college was established on 1855......it was renamed presidency college,calcutta on 1955
The change by User:59.93.240.49 at 16:39, 17 January 2010 [2] appears to be from here [3]. As per wp:copyvio I've revered it. CS Miller ( talk) 17:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
who had deleted the brief life sketch of jyoti basu? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.240.49 ( talk) 17:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
The condolence messages of politburo and of cm is quoted....and not copied......why are you deleting them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.240.49 ( talk) 17:31, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
okays........sorry for blaming you........Anshuva (user:59.93.240.49) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anshuva Sanyal ( talk • contribs) 17:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://jyotibasu.net/?q=node/25. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:17, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
This article clearly needs some work to tidy it up and to rectify the fulsomeness of tone. On the other hand, the importance assigned to it by some of the projects is shocking and a clear sign of ethnocentric bias. How can a man who ruled one of India's most important states for 23 years and was a founder of the CPI(M) count as of low importance to the Socialism project? It would be just as plausible to argue that Basu was the most important and successful Marxist politician anywhere in the world in the second half of 20th century. Sjwells53 ( talk) 19:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the edit on Jyoti Basu presiding over the state's industrial decline is being removed. I find it surprising that someone even disagrees with this well established fact. A simple Google search points us to articles which illustrate the point.
I share a few of the links here:
http://cpasindia.org/articles/mg-05-03-17-industrial-decline-west-bengal.html
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2691567
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/basu-presided-over-bengals-industrial-decline/108880-37.html
Notacommunist ( talk) 06:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The industrial decline of West Bengal under communist rule from 1977 to present has to be noted. As a leader of the alliance which is ruling West Bengal, Jyoti Basu bears responsibility to it.
Facts: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/bline/2005/04/01/stories/2005040100090900.htm
"West Bengal's performance is comparable to that of Maharashtra where the comparable decline from 1977-78 to 1999-2000 was 55.28 per cent to 25.02 per cent or a decline in incidence of 55.22 per cent. When the performance of West Bengal and Maharashtra is related, the former having fared dismally in terms of industrial expansion while the latter was a star on this account, perhaps those who influence policies in this country will be able to distinguish reality from perceptions."
"It is not that the Communists did not have a role to play in the industrial decline of West Bengal. The Chief Minister, Mr Buddhadeb Bhattacharya, himself has been candid about this when he admitted at a CII gathering: "Yes, it is true that we have committed mistakes and have been irresponsible. You have heard of the word gherao, which means surrounding the management. It is now part of the English dictionary." Often these gheraos and the more traditional forms of industrial action ended up in violence resulting in a flight of capital from West Bengal.
Worse, this kind of militancy led to competitive militancy and now trade unions affiliated to all political parties make similar demands and use similar methods. This has made all trade unions more comfortable with state ownership with the obvious attendant benefits of assured salaries and pay increases, full tenures, and annual bonuses, without any relation to productivity and corporate health. When an industry was rendered sick, it was taken over by the government to protect jobs and not so much to contribute to the economy. Examples abound all over the country, but West Bengal typified it."
There are many such articles, unfortunately being suppressed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notacommunist ( talk • contribs) 17:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Under the section 'Chief Minister of West Bengal' it is mentioned 'he was also a hypocrite and characterless personality' Is this intentional or a mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.221.147.90 ( talk) 18:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 05:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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Hi @ Tayi Arajakate: Great you are developing this article. You take help from this article; especially writing the article in a balance manner mentioning both his achievement and criticism. Also ensure providing good quality reliance sources otherwise somebody in future will remove those information. Try to provide scholarly level sources. Thanks-- Amrita62 ( talk) 06:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Do you have any policy based reasoning why I shouldn't use publications which qualify as WP:NEWSORG? And no, the news sources I've used are not "highly left wing biased", not to mention bias isn't even equivalent to unreliability. For the descriptor of "statesman", I have used The Hindustan Times, The Hindu and NDTV, all of which are established mainstream news publications. Tayi Arajakate Talk 01:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The lack of investigation means that various estimates of the killings continue to circulate years after the event. While Atharobaki Biswas is very specific in stating that 4,128 families died in transit from starvation, exhaustion and police firing.
As no commission was allowed to be setup, the official figure put the deaths at 2 even though the actual deaths were in thousand based on multiple sources documented by survivors who are settled and still fighting for a commission to be setup for investigation.
Fail to understand why a sentence in Bengali is suddenly inserted here Biman Bose announced with tears, "জ্যোতি বাবু আমাদের ছেড়ে চলে গেছেন।" (trans. "Jyoti Babu is no more. I can't speak any more.") At any rate the translation of the Bengali sentence is - 'Jyoti Babu has left us and gone away.' The words 'gone away' here refers to death in a colloquial sense. Suggest keeping just the English sentences, which though are not exactly what he said, ref. link here youtube.com/watch?v=olWT36ATHQU It would be appropriate to perhaps take off the entire reference to Biman Bose's reaction to Jyoti Basu's death. The preceding sentence quire adequately provides the information on the date and time of Jyoti Basu's death. Fail to see what additional information(aside from an inaccurate translation) is being achieved by the sentences referring to Biman Bose . Suksane ( talk) 13:13, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
All the members of the first polit bureau are known as navaratnas of Cpim . Jyoti Basu was a member of it . Then what's the problem ? For source https://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/founders-of-cpi-m-uaw133/ https://peoplesdemocracy.in/2014/0706_pd/comrade-jyoti-basu-last-navaratnas https://vannamboodiri.com/2015/03/02/who-are-the-navaratnas-of-cpim/ Guypes26 ( talk) 06:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)