Noembelu is from Mexico, right? In Mexico, they speak Spanish, and November is "Noviembre." Is this supposed to be how you would say "November" in the language her tribe speaks? Which language? Why would the word be somewhat of a cognate? Borrowed words from Spanish?
The case of Noembelu is indeed the oddest one. My guess is that the name "Noviembre" is incredibly hard to pronounce by the average japanese speaker. In Spanish it is separated as "No-viem-bre", and it has several consonants that do not normally come together in Japanese, for instance "-br-" or "-mbr-". Even the syllable "-viem-" may be difficult for japanese, who seldom use diphthongs as frequent as they are in Spanish. A more faitful transliteration in katakana might be ノヴィエンブレ novienbure.
Still the question remains if her name should instead be in her supposed indigenous tribe language. ---Anonymous 14/Sep/06
It is in classical
Latin!
According to the katakana ノウェンベル nowenberu, the name sounds like Nowember as it would be spoken by an American English speaker. However, in the western european languages, like Spanish and English, the name of the months come from the Latin ones.
Thus in Latin the name is "November", but the V is NOT pronounced like today English V. In classical Latin the letters U and V were the same, their graphic use varied wildly due style whether used in written documents or carved in stone or whether used with diphthongs or not. So words like passuum, victor or november may as well be written as passvvm, uictor or nouember.
It was centuries later, during the Middle Ages that the germanic languages introduced the sound of the modern V trough the new letter W.
Therefore, the rômaji nowenberu indicates a classical Latin pronunciation of the name "November". Why did the producers do this? Who knows? They might have thought Mexico= Latin America, "they speak Latin".
Believe or not, there are numerous examples where the Japanese use Latin or Greek names with classical pronunciations. So names like "Cicero" are actually pronounced like Kikero. ---Anonymous 14/Sep/06
I don't know chinese but I've heard that within China there are numerous dialects, so many that people from different regions may not understand their saying but only their writings. So my guess is that the producers took a pronunciation based on a dialect different from Mandarin, or maybe they decided to give a different pronunciation according to the Kanji that represent those months. The particles "yue" that are in "Jiuyue" and "Shiyue" apparently mean "moon", stressing the fact that every month there is a full moon cycle. This particle is somehow kept in the "-yu" suffix of "Xiayu" and "Jianyu", so the mistery might reside only at the begining of the words.
Shouldn't the main focus be on Juni and Juli (the main playable characters) than the ten or so non-playable characters that appear during win poses. Jonny2x4 03:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Aye you have a good point there. MightyKombat 15:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
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Noembelu is from Mexico, right? In Mexico, they speak Spanish, and November is "Noviembre." Is this supposed to be how you would say "November" in the language her tribe speaks? Which language? Why would the word be somewhat of a cognate? Borrowed words from Spanish?
The case of Noembelu is indeed the oddest one. My guess is that the name "Noviembre" is incredibly hard to pronounce by the average japanese speaker. In Spanish it is separated as "No-viem-bre", and it has several consonants that do not normally come together in Japanese, for instance "-br-" or "-mbr-". Even the syllable "-viem-" may be difficult for japanese, who seldom use diphthongs as frequent as they are in Spanish. A more faitful transliteration in katakana might be ノヴィエンブレ novienbure.
Still the question remains if her name should instead be in her supposed indigenous tribe language. ---Anonymous 14/Sep/06
It is in classical
Latin!
According to the katakana ノウェンベル nowenberu, the name sounds like Nowember as it would be spoken by an American English speaker. However, in the western european languages, like Spanish and English, the name of the months come from the Latin ones.
Thus in Latin the name is "November", but the V is NOT pronounced like today English V. In classical Latin the letters U and V were the same, their graphic use varied wildly due style whether used in written documents or carved in stone or whether used with diphthongs or not. So words like passuum, victor or november may as well be written as passvvm, uictor or nouember.
It was centuries later, during the Middle Ages that the germanic languages introduced the sound of the modern V trough the new letter W.
Therefore, the rômaji nowenberu indicates a classical Latin pronunciation of the name "November". Why did the producers do this? Who knows? They might have thought Mexico= Latin America, "they speak Latin".
Believe or not, there are numerous examples where the Japanese use Latin or Greek names with classical pronunciations. So names like "Cicero" are actually pronounced like Kikero. ---Anonymous 14/Sep/06
I don't know chinese but I've heard that within China there are numerous dialects, so many that people from different regions may not understand their saying but only their writings. So my guess is that the producers took a pronunciation based on a dialect different from Mandarin, or maybe they decided to give a different pronunciation according to the Kanji that represent those months. The particles "yue" that are in "Jiuyue" and "Shiyue" apparently mean "moon", stressing the fact that every month there is a full moon cycle. This particle is somehow kept in the "-yu" suffix of "Xiayu" and "Jianyu", so the mistery might reside only at the begining of the words.
Shouldn't the main focus be on Juni and Juli (the main playable characters) than the ten or so non-playable characters that appear during win poses. Jonny2x4 03:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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