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It should be noted that this isn't some ancient holiday and has only existed for a year. Juneteenth to anyone who doesn't know what it is (which is 99% of the world) would be presumed to be June 13th, not 19th, also. So some explanation as to why it's called Juneteenth when MANY teen numbers are in June would be helpful for those of us who are not American. It's a very American-centric thing, so it's perplexing to us. No one would think it's not the first Juneteenth but the SEVENTH teen in June that Americans are talking about. But further the confusion is that when researching this topic I'm told that this is a hundred year old celebration+ - when I know it isn't, no one I know has EVER heard of it before last year and suddenly we're bombarded with it all over the world. I get it's a bit Hallmark Holiday, but these things are confusing to foreigners wanting to find out more, it really doesn't help everything just claims it's from the 1800's when it's from 2021. 2001:8003:37B8:D900:5068:9C28:A404:F891 ( talk) 03:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Would it be fair to say that prior to 2021 less than 1% of people would have ever have heard of this? And less than 1% of that 1% would have 'celebrated' it as a holiday? I'm struggling here, I am starting to see this as revisionistic history being written into reality, or rather, reality being edited in real time by media and pseudoacademics online.
As an African-American I've never heard of this, yet it's been given this big back story as if somehow every black family I know is a pariah for not celebrating and knowing it. But it's a new invention that was pushed in 2021. Prior to that not one single person except maybe the most politically ideologically possessed black panther plotting a train station bombing to get back at the white man would ever have known it's name. I mean even it's name is an absurdity. June - teenth would imply the first teenth in June so June 13th. Nope. Maybe 14th? Nope. 15th, the third teenth in June? Nope. 19th. Abject nonsense.
It FEELS like a racist creation to make us seem like we're all low IQ. I can't be the only person who this doesn't sit right with, it truly feels like agitprop at this point invented just to gaslight the majority for the sake of a teeny tiny minority. 2001:8003:37B8:D900:50FD:2CD8:8930:2A5B ( talk) 02:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Should the lead paragraph of this entry read " when President pandering Democrat Joe Biden signed... " ? This is potentially divisive and does not meaningfully add to the topic. 77.250.251.151 ( talk) 13:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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I request an edit about the flag for Juneteenth. Many Afro Americans are now requesting the Juneteenth Flag created by Ben Haith be used to represent Juneteenth rather than the Pan African flag which is incorrect. Please update the page to mention the Juneteenth Flag and please link the Juneteenth Flag article. It will help give the flag recognition. Asahae ( talk) 13:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
The New Jersey Historical Commission, a State agency, at https://nj.gov/state/historical/his-2021-juneteenth.shtml , gives this sad fact:
(quote) Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas. (end quote)
Of course the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified December 6,1865, so the New Jersey amendment was a formality. JoeBrennan ( talk) 17:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Juneteenth commemorates the rectification of an injustice. It recognizes the two and a half year delay in the emancipation of slaves in Galveston, Texas through the activation of Union Troops against Texan slave holders who continued to hold free blacks as slaves in violation of the Emancipation Proclamation.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/historical-legacy-juneteenth Jlaramee ( talk) 19:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
In the history section, shouldn’t the full story of Granger's order be shown, as this is unclear. Even his full name is not given, and this is the section that should show the whole history. Very confusing, especially if someone just wanted to read the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.192.29 ( talk) 23:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
I was taught that "Juneteenth" was when official word of the end of the Civil War reached Galveston --- not word about the 13th Amendment (which I was taught only freed slaves in Union held territories and in the North). 2600:8800:395:B000:964:ADCE:B322:9BC3 ( talk) 10:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
There is a link saying "By Whom?" (not "Citation Needed") referring to the phrase "America's Second Independence Day" that goes to Wikipedia's "Weasel Words" webpage for unsupported attributions at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions. However, if you Google "America's Second Independence Day" you will find the first example of a source using this phrase is Duke University at https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/juneteenth-celebrating-americas-second-independence-day. I thought that maybe someone on this discussion board would be able to update this reference. Thank you. Afrenning ( talk) 18:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
An earlier citation of the word "Juneteenth" comes from the Brenham (Texas) Weekly Banner, June 25 1891, https://www.newspapers.com/image/68044659/?terms=%22juneteenth%22&match=1 . Maybe somebody could add this. 2607:FEA8:1FDF:2000:C5C7:3E03:8893:4D14 ( talk) 16:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
"[...] deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth." It's a lossy combination, though, isn't. Personally I would mention that unfortunate fact in this article. Anyone who doesn't already know what date the holiday falls on won't be able to tell for sure from the holiday's name (it might fall on June 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, or 19th). While you're at it, I'd also mention that some people think that "Juneteenth" is a too-casual and sloppy--and therefore disrespectful--moniker for a remembrance of the level of gravitas of this anniversary. And if you need a citation for that, you can use this topic. 2601:600:8500:6A40:F92A:D74D:5861:650D ( talk) 00:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Lincoln freed slaves in Texas on January 1, 1863. Why a national celebration of another declaration of freedom for slaves just in Texas by a lowly general? Historical discussion lacks decent reason why blacks don’t celebrate 1/1/1863. Please add to article. 107.190.222.11 ( talk) 21:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Not a paid holiday in California 2600:1702:3E40:6680:31A3:886D:A03:E212 ( talk) 01:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
If it’s a pic of Milwaukee then why is the church in the background think it’s in Philly? 32.221.49.133 ( talk) 08:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
There is no proper source for how this Holiday received its name.
"Deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth..." is stated as a fact without a proper source. Someone invented the name or it originated from somewhere. Something must explain the motivations to use "Juneteenth" as the holiday's name rather than creating a name for the holiday or simply calling it June 19th. 68.6.71.154 ( talk) 21:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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It should be noted that this isn't some ancient holiday and has only existed for a year. Juneteenth to anyone who doesn't know what it is (which is 99% of the world) would be presumed to be June 13th, not 19th, also. So some explanation as to why it's called Juneteenth when MANY teen numbers are in June would be helpful for those of us who are not American. It's a very American-centric thing, so it's perplexing to us. No one would think it's not the first Juneteenth but the SEVENTH teen in June that Americans are talking about. But further the confusion is that when researching this topic I'm told that this is a hundred year old celebration+ - when I know it isn't, no one I know has EVER heard of it before last year and suddenly we're bombarded with it all over the world. I get it's a bit Hallmark Holiday, but these things are confusing to foreigners wanting to find out more, it really doesn't help everything just claims it's from the 1800's when it's from 2021. 2001:8003:37B8:D900:5068:9C28:A404:F891 ( talk) 03:06, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Would it be fair to say that prior to 2021 less than 1% of people would have ever have heard of this? And less than 1% of that 1% would have 'celebrated' it as a holiday? I'm struggling here, I am starting to see this as revisionistic history being written into reality, or rather, reality being edited in real time by media and pseudoacademics online.
As an African-American I've never heard of this, yet it's been given this big back story as if somehow every black family I know is a pariah for not celebrating and knowing it. But it's a new invention that was pushed in 2021. Prior to that not one single person except maybe the most politically ideologically possessed black panther plotting a train station bombing to get back at the white man would ever have known it's name. I mean even it's name is an absurdity. June - teenth would imply the first teenth in June so June 13th. Nope. Maybe 14th? Nope. 15th, the third teenth in June? Nope. 19th. Abject nonsense.
It FEELS like a racist creation to make us seem like we're all low IQ. I can't be the only person who this doesn't sit right with, it truly feels like agitprop at this point invented just to gaslight the majority for the sake of a teeny tiny minority. 2001:8003:37B8:D900:50FD:2CD8:8930:2A5B ( talk) 02:27, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Should the lead paragraph of this entry read " when President pandering Democrat Joe Biden signed... " ? This is potentially divisive and does not meaningfully add to the topic. 77.250.251.151 ( talk) 13:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
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I request an edit about the flag for Juneteenth. Many Afro Americans are now requesting the Juneteenth Flag created by Ben Haith be used to represent Juneteenth rather than the Pan African flag which is incorrect. Please update the page to mention the Juneteenth Flag and please link the Juneteenth Flag article. It will help give the flag recognition. Asahae ( talk) 13:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
The New Jersey Historical Commission, a State agency, at https://nj.gov/state/historical/his-2021-juneteenth.shtml , gives this sad fact:
(quote) Slavery’s final legal death in New Jersey occurred on January 23, 1866, when in his first official act as governor, Marcus L. Ward of Newark signed a state Constitutional Amendment that brought about an absolute end to slavery in the state. In other words, the institution of slavery in New Jersey survived for months following the declaration of freedom in Texas. (end quote)
Of course the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified December 6,1865, so the New Jersey amendment was a formality. JoeBrennan ( talk) 17:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Juneteenth commemorates the rectification of an injustice. It recognizes the two and a half year delay in the emancipation of slaves in Galveston, Texas through the activation of Union Troops against Texan slave holders who continued to hold free blacks as slaves in violation of the Emancipation Proclamation.
https://nmaahc.si.edu/explore/stories/historical-legacy-juneteenth Jlaramee ( talk) 19:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
In the history section, shouldn’t the full story of Granger's order be shown, as this is unclear. Even his full name is not given, and this is the section that should show the whole history. Very confusing, especially if someone just wanted to read the history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.192.29 ( talk) 23:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
I was taught that "Juneteenth" was when official word of the end of the Civil War reached Galveston --- not word about the 13th Amendment (which I was taught only freed slaves in Union held territories and in the North). 2600:8800:395:B000:964:ADCE:B322:9BC3 ( talk) 10:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
There is a link saying "By Whom?" (not "Citation Needed") referring to the phrase "America's Second Independence Day" that goes to Wikipedia's "Weasel Words" webpage for unsupported attributions at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions. However, if you Google "America's Second Independence Day" you will find the first example of a source using this phrase is Duke University at https://today.duke.edu/2023/06/juneteenth-celebrating-americas-second-independence-day. I thought that maybe someone on this discussion board would be able to update this reference. Thank you. Afrenning ( talk) 18:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
An earlier citation of the word "Juneteenth" comes from the Brenham (Texas) Weekly Banner, June 25 1891, https://www.newspapers.com/image/68044659/?terms=%22juneteenth%22&match=1 . Maybe somebody could add this. 2607:FEA8:1FDF:2000:C5C7:3E03:8893:4D14 ( talk) 16:02, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
"[...] deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth." It's a lossy combination, though, isn't. Personally I would mention that unfortunate fact in this article. Anyone who doesn't already know what date the holiday falls on won't be able to tell for sure from the holiday's name (it might fall on June 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, or 19th). While you're at it, I'd also mention that some people think that "Juneteenth" is a too-casual and sloppy--and therefore disrespectful--moniker for a remembrance of the level of gravitas of this anniversary. And if you need a citation for that, you can use this topic. 2601:600:8500:6A40:F92A:D74D:5861:650D ( talk) 00:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Lincoln freed slaves in Texas on January 1, 1863. Why a national celebration of another declaration of freedom for slaves just in Texas by a lowly general? Historical discussion lacks decent reason why blacks don’t celebrate 1/1/1863. Please add to article. 107.190.222.11 ( talk) 21:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Not a paid holiday in California 2600:1702:3E40:6680:31A3:886D:A03:E212 ( talk) 01:18, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
If it’s a pic of Milwaukee then why is the church in the background think it’s in Philly? 32.221.49.133 ( talk) 08:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
There is no proper source for how this Holiday received its name.
"Deriving its name from combining June and nineteenth..." is stated as a fact without a proper source. Someone invented the name or it originated from somewhere. Something must explain the motivations to use "Juneteenth" as the holiday's name rather than creating a name for the holiday or simply calling it June 19th. 68.6.71.154 ( talk) 21:17, 19 June 2023 (UTC)