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Perhaps the Media History Digital Library will be useful. Here's the Motion Picture Herald, listing June Preston in the role of Mrs. Bluett's daughter in Anne of Green Gables, [RKO] Radio [Pictures], Oct 26, 1934.
Is the Anne of Green Gables role even a speaking role? The character doesn't even have a name (the credits only call the character "The Blewett Little Girl"). No mention of her or even Mrs. Blewett in the standard film plot, or even in the lengthy plot plus characters information in the Wikipedia article on the novel: Anne of Green Gables. Does she have any lines? I probably saw the 1934 movie at some point in my life but I certainly can't recall any details at this point. Softlavender ( talk) 01:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
No one has yet demonstrated that this article subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Until that is demonstrated, the notability tag needs to remain on the article per Help:Maintenance template removal. As a courtesy, we are waiting a week or two to see if editors can dig up significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (after that, it will probably go to AFD). But it's fairly clear that neither her career as a child actress (almost exclusively in uncredited parts in film shorts) nor her career as an adult soprano (almost exclusively in a falsely advertised tour of Latin America and a few appearances in Europe, plus a few local or regional appearances in the U.S.) rise to the level of Wikipedia notability, even combined with each other. Softlavender ( talk) 09:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, one part of the hype that actually was a thing were "June Preston Frocks". I'm finding ads about them (yes, they are all advertisements of the dresses for sale for girls; and no, I did not use Pinterest) in U.S. newpapers from 1936 to 1943.
Remember this Australian newspaper item from January 1936 [7]? Well, they took off in the U.S. Here are sample ads from all the years that I found:
I did not find any non-advertisement coverage of them except for the 1936 Brisbane Daily Standard item linked in the second paragraph ( [20]). -- Softlavender ( talk) 10:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Karenthewriter, I agree with scope creep: Advertisements are definitely neither significant coverage nor reliable independent sources. (I'm not even sure they are allowed as citations on Wikipedia, and I don't think they would stand up to scrutiny on WP:RSN as usable in this article.) They are ads from manufacturers who entered into a licensing agreement with Preston or her parents in order to make money. They do not even indicate that she was either notable or known or popular. Films and manufacturers and stores attempt to merchanidise films and franchises all the time. I'm not sure that section added to the article should even stand, unless you find and actual independent reliable source discussing the products. In any case, this seems to change nothing in regard to AFD issues. Softlavender ( talk) 03:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
(I just ran into this when researching the frocks.)
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Preston,_June
Astrodatabank's researcher is in possession of (a valid photocopy of) Preston's birth certificate, and it matches what her daughter has claimed all along (honestly, that's one thing the daughter has no motive or cause to lie about). I suggest if we are going to include birth information, we use that information instead of the absurdly varied information that has been reported in various different newspapers. Wiki user Aloist is co-owner/co-creator of Astrodatabank and its parent site, and can confirm that they don't claim possession of birth certificate unless they actually have it in hand. (Can ignore the biography, which they don't factcheck or cite, but they do scrupulously verify birth information.) Softlavender ( talk) 11:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I found this article and am not clear on if this is Preston or not. If it is, then we not only get a middle name, but also fill in some of the time gap in between the acting and singing career phases. Silver seren C 18:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Silver seren, I think the summary of the Ninth Symphony review is confusing and distorts the meaning of the original article. You wrote, “Reviewer Thomas B. Sherman criticized the composer who put together the Ninth Symphony performance for forcing Preston as the soprano into a "cruel range" that was impossible for any singer to reach without screaming at points.” This makes it sound like Beethoven was alive and actively put together this particular performance of his symphony. The composer in question, Beethoven, died in 1827. Beethoven did not “put together” this specific performance of his Ninth Symphony, nor was the work altered to be higher for this specific performance (that would be sacrilege in the classical music world). Preston was hired to sing a well known masterwork as written by a dead composer. She clearly struggled to perform well, and the reviewer was blaming Beethoven’s writing for the soprano voice as the reason. However, I would point out that this is a very well known frequently performed work with many recording that do not have screaming sopranos, so I am not sure this is a fair assessment of the symphony or Beethoven’s skill writing for the soprano voice, but one particular reviewers reaction to hearing the work not performed well. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
Con extraordinario exito dio su recital el pasado dia 3 del actual, la famosa soprano June Preston, correspondiendo al concierto 11, de los que para este curso, organiza el Instituto Musical.
La destacada personalidad de June Preston puede reflejarse en unas palabras muy expresivas y llenas de sentido artistico: avanzada escuela en la tecnica del canto, dominio de los recursos escenicos, simpatia, y poderosa artifice de esa admiracion que las grandes figuras saben conseguir de los publicos, que las escuchan.
Con estas excepcionales cualidades fue desgranando todas las obras que constituian el programa, a cuyas dotes aun podemos anadir su agradable timbre de voz con perfecto dominio de los altos y bajos en su respectiva cuerda; musicalidad maravillosa, sensibilidad, gracia y prestancia. En fin que su recital constituyo una demonstracion de alta calidad en esta especialidad artistica.
En la primera parte interpreto "Komm Susser Tod" J. S. Bach; "An Choloe" Mozart; "Warnung" idem; "Bodad de Figaro", idem; "All Mein gedamken" Strauss; "Zueignung" idem; "Vergebliches Standechen", de Brahms; "Standchen" idem y "Der Schimed", del mismo autor.
En la segunda parte: "The rim of the monn" Michel Head; "Velvet shoes" Randall Thompson; "Linstead macket", Arthur Benjamin; "The Hero", Menotti; "El arbol del olvido", Ginestera; "Cobla leonsesa" Sandoval, Cantiga de idem y "Copla bailable" idem.
No cabe decir que el pianista acompanante Pedro Vallribera, ya conocido por el publico tarraconense, demostro, otra vez, sus grandes cualidades pianisticas resolviendo con gran habilidad todos los escollos del acompanamiento. Fue un excelente colaborador del exito del concierto.
June Preston y Pedro Vallribera fueron muy sinceramente aplaudidos, e interpretaron fuera de programa: "Spirituals negros" cantados con mucha gracia y esplendoroso dominio.
English:
With extraordinary success, the famous soprano June Preston gave her recital on the 3rd of the present day, corresponding to the 11th concert, of which the Musical Institute organized for this year.
The outstanding personality of June Preston can be reflected in some very expressive words full of artistic sense: advanced school in the technique of singing, mastery of the scenic resources, sympathy, and powerful architect of that admiration that great figures know how to get from the public who listen to them.
With these exceptional qualities, she was reeling off all the works that made up the program, to whose gifts we can still add her pleasant timbre of voice with perfect mastery of the highs and lows in their respective chords; wonderful musicality, sensitivity, grace and poise. In short, her recital constituted a demonstration of high quality in this artistic specialty.
In the first part I interpreted "Komm Susser Tod" J. S. Bach; "An Choloe" Mozart; "Warnung" idem; "Wedding of Figaro", idem; "All Mein gedamken" Strauss; "Zueignung" idem; "Vergebliches Standechen", by Brahms; "Standchen" idem and "Der Schimed", by the same author.
In the second part: "The rim of the monn" Michel Head; "Velvet shoes" Randall Thompson; "Linstead macket", Arthur Benjamin; "The Hero", Menotti; "The tree of oblivion", Ginestera; "Cobla leonsesa" Sandoval, Cantiga de idem and "Copla bailable" idem.
It cannot be said that the accompanying pianist Pedro Vallribera, already known by the Tarragona public, once again demonstrated his great pianistic qualities, solving with great skill all the pitfalls of accompaniment. He was an excellent contributor to the success of the concert.
June Preston and Pedro Vallribera were very sincerely applauded, and they performed off-program: "Black Spirituals", sung with great grace and splendorous mastery.
-- Silver seren C 22:24, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
Nunca reino tan buen humor en el Palacio de la Musica como en la noche de ayer. Todas las caras de los socios de la "Cultural" se mostraban risuenas, jubilosas. Ni un ceno de seriedad ni de tristeza. El regocijo parecia general. A que se debia tan inusitada actitud? Pues a la arrolladora simpatia de la artista que actuaba en escena: la soprano norteamericana June Preston, que acompana todas sus interpretaciones con los gustos mas expresivos, considerando la mimica complemento necesario del canto.
Pero no se crea que June Preston adopta en sus interpretaciones unas "poses" estudiadas, premenditadas, Nada de eso. Es que exterioriza asi lo que adente cuando canta, como propio de su intuicion, de su sensibilidad. Porque esta cantante norteamericana, que ha actuado con exito en conciertos y operas, especialmente en Centro y Sudamerica, posce unas dotes vocales privilegiadas y una capacidad de expresion muy amplia, como lo patentizo anoche a traves de un programa eclectico que incluia desde Bach, Mozart, Ricardo Strauss y Brahms, en la primera parte, hasta compositores modernos de las mas variadas caracteristicas: el ingles Michael Head, el noreamericano Randall Thompson, el italo-americano Menotti, el australiano Arthur Benjamin, el argentino Alberto Ginestera y el venezolano Miguel Sandoval.
Paginas de tan distintos estilos tu-...(unclear)...que le mosto su gratitud y admiracion de mode tambien elocuentemente expresivo.
English:
Never has such a good mood reigned in the Palacio de la Musica as last night. All the faces of the members of the "Cultural" were smiling, jubilant. Not a dream of seriousness or sadness. The rejoicing seemed general. What was the reason for such an unusual attitude? Well, to the overwhelming sympathy of the artist who acted on stage: the American soprano June Preston, who accompanies all her performances with the most expressive tastes, considering the necessary mimic complement of singing.
But do not think that June Preston adopts in her interpretations studied "poses", premeditations, None of that. It is thus that she externalizes what is coming when she sings, as typical of her intuition, of her sensitivity. Because this North American singer, who has performed successfully in concerts and operas, especially in Central and South America, possesses privileged vocal gifts and a very broad capacity for expression, as evidenced last night through an eclectic program that included from Bach, Mozart, Ricardo Strauss and Brahms, in the first part, to modern composers of the most varied characteristics: the English Michael Head, the North American Randall Thompson, the Italian-American Menotti, the Australian Arthur Benjamin, the Argentine Alberto Ginestera and the Venezuelan Miguel Sandoval.
Pages of such different styles you -... (unclear) ... that you showed your gratitude and admiration in a mode that was also eloquently expressive.
-- Silver seren C 22:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
June Preston. - Otra excelente cantanje, que fue presentada por primera vez en Barcelona por la Asociacion de Cultura Musical, en un concierto fuera de la serie de sus programadas sesiones. La alegria y cordial actuacion de la cantante, junto a su voz ductil, brillante, agil y limpida le granjearon las simpatias del auditorio, que le aplaudio en el transcurso de todo el recital, muy variado de estilos y tendencias, y siempre perfectamente interpretado. Pedro Vallribera fue el ajustado y pulero acompanante que sobradamente conocemos, compartiendo el exito con la cantante
English:
June Preston. - Another excellent song, which was presented for the first time in Barcelona by the Musical Culture Association, in a concert outside of the series of its programmed sessions. The joy and cordial performance of the singer, together with her ductile, bright, agile and limpid voice won her the sympathy of the audience, who applauded her throughout the entire recital, very varied in styles and trends, and always perfectly interpreted. Pedro Vallribera was the tight and fiery companion that we know all too well, sharing the success with the singer
-- Silver seren C 23:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
La soprano norteamericana June Preston, del Metropolitan Opera House de New York y del teatro Colon de Buenos Aires. Ilega ayer tarde al pais con el fin de ofrecer varios conciertos en esta capital y en Santiago.
La senora Preston estuvo en el pais hace algunos dias, en viaje de descanso, y firmo contrato para varios conciertos con la sociedad Pro Arte, de esta ciudad.
Se informo que se incluidan elementos dominicanos en las presentaciones artisticas que se reslicen.
El pianista dominicano Manuel Rueda acompanara a la senorita Preston en sus presentaciones, la primera de las cuales sera en el teatro Olimpia, de esta capital, el 17 del corriente.
La senorita Preston acaba de regresar de una gira de conciertos por la zona del Caribe y America del Sur.
En el aeropuerto fue recibida por una comision de la sociedad Pro Arte.
English:
The American soprano June Preston, from the Metropolitan Opera House in New York and the Colon Theater in Buenos Aires. She arrived in the country yesterday afternoon in order to offer several concerts in this capital and in Santiago.
Mrs. Preston was in the country a few days ago, on a rest trip, and signed a contract for several concerts with the Pro Arte society in this city.
It was reported that Dominican elements are included in the artistic presentations that are resolved.
The Dominican pianist Manuel Rueda will accompany Miss Preston in her presentations, the first of which will be at the Olimpia Theater, in this capital, on the 17th of this year.
Miss Preston has just returned from a concert tour of the Caribbean and South America.
At the airport she was received by a commission from the Pro Arte society.
-- Silver seren C 05:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
French:
Dimanche 14 Fevrier a 7 heures P.M. grace a la courtoisie de Son Encellence le President de la Republique Paul E. Magloire, le Public de Port-au-Prince aura l'occassion d'entendre et l'admirer au kiosque Occide Jeanty, (Place des Heros de l'Independance) la magnifique Soprano Lyrique de l'Opera de N.Y., June Preston, de renommee internationale.
Les performances de June Preston a travers les importantes villes du monde ont eu Lapluls grandes resonnance dans les cercles musicaux. Non seulement les Chefs d'orchestres, les chanteurs d'Opera et les impresario, mais aussi tous les critiques d'art sans exception ne tarissent pas d'eloges a son endroit.
Le Public de Port-au-Prince est cordialement invite a applaudir dimanche 14 Fevrier a 7 P.M., June Preston au Kiosque Occide Jeanty.
Note Biographique
La brillante carriere de la jeune soprano nord americaine, June Preston, agee de 34 ans a debute alors quelle n'etait qu'un enfant et lorsque le fameux conducteur des Compagnies d'Operas de Leipzig et de Berlin, Gustav Stern, venant de sa ville natale en Allemagne, arriva a Seattle, Washington, pour activer le developpement de l'Opera et de la Musique Vocale dans les Nord Ouest des Etata Unis.
Une reception fut offerte en l'honneur de illustre maestro Stern, par la mere de June Preston. Dans une ambiance decordialite et sans ceremonie, le maestro se mit au piano et executa quelques chansons populaires. Immediatement plusierra Invites 'entourerent et se mirent a chanter ensemble les dites partitions. Le maitre sarreta aussitot. Il desirait savoir a qui apportenait cette voix surprenante. Cetait celle de la charmante et tres jeune June Preston.
Le lundi de la semaine suivante, il commenca l'education de celleci, ce qui te porta a s'interesser au developpement de sa carriere comme chantuse de Concert et d'Opera Toutefois la carriere de June avait debute
English:
Sunday February 14 at 7:00 PM thanks to the courtesy of His Excellency the President of the Republic Paul E. Magloire, the Public of Port-au-Prince will have the opportunity to hear and admire her at the Occide Jeanty kiosk, (Place from the Heroes of Independence) the magnificent Lyric Soprano of the NY Opera, June Preston, of international renown.
June Preston's performances in major cities around the world have resounded Lapluls with great resonance in musical circles. Not only conductors, Opera singers and impresario, but also all art critics without exception are full of praise for her.
The Public of Port-au-Prince is cordially invited to applaud Sunday February 14 at 7 P.M., June Preston at the Kiosque Occide Jeanty.
Biographical Note
The brilliant career of the young North American soprano, 34-year-old June Preston began as a child and when the famous conductor of the Leipzig and Berlin Operas Companies, Gustav Stern, from his hometown in Germany, arrived in Seattle, Washington, to activate the development of Opera and Vocal Music in the Northwestern United States.
A reception was held in honor of illustrious Maestro Stern by June Preston's mother. In an atmosphere of cordiality and without ceremony, the maestro took to the piano and performed some popular songs. Immediately moreierra Invites' surrounded and began to sing the said scores together. The master stopped immediately. He wanted to know who brought this surprising voice to. It was that of the charming and very young June Preston.
On Monday of the following week, he began her education, which led you to take an interest in developing her career as a Concert and Opera singer. However, June's career had started
-- Silver seren C 05:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish
Cuando gracias a gentil invitacion tube el placer de escuchar a la distinguida cantante norteamericana June Preston, pude apreciar sus grandes cualidades de artista, su bellisima y extensa voz, su correcta emision, su temperamento intenso, dotes que capacitan a la senora Preston para llegar a ser una gran artista de opera. Esto explica el entusiasmo que me llebo al concerto que, organizado por la Asociacion "Amigos de la Musica", tuvo lugar la noche de anteayer en el Teatro Degollado.
English
When, thanks to a kind invitation, I had the pleasure of listening to the distinguished North American singer June Preston, I was able to appreciate her great qualities as an artist, her beautiful and extensive voice, her correct delivery, her intense temperament, gifts that enable Mrs. Preston to become a great opera artist. This explains the enthusiasm that I took to the concert that, organized by the "Friends of Music" Association, took place the night before yesterday at the Degollado Theater.
Silver seren C 20:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I had added a section entitled Merchandising, and wrote about June Preston Frocks. Another editor questioned whether that added to notability, so I thought it possible that the section would evidently be deleted. However, I was surprised when Innisfree987 deleted it because it was archival research, and at odds with WP:NOR. I based the section on advertisements I found while searching through newspapers.com for information on June Preston. If I had found five articles on films she had appeared in I would not have considered that to be original research, for I would have found the articles in a published source. I found the advertisements in published sources, so I'm not sure why that became archival research.
The section has been deleted, and I will not revert the deletion since it may not have been the best addition to the article. I can understand that a section based on advertisements was problematic, but I'm baffled by the No Original Research reasoning. Karenthewriter ( talk) 01:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Seems like something that belongs in an article on Ravic, not here. It's relevance is questionable. If the issue is the confusion over the name of the company and the fact that it wasn't actually associated with the Met, then removing both of those lines including the name of the company would avoid that issue entirely and leave an article that actually focuses on Preston in specific. Only the first part saying that she was a member of his company is relevant information for this article. Silver seren C 19:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I've been WP:BOLD and deleted details of the programmes sung by Preston in Europe. We don't give this detail even for notable singers unless the performances are notably revelatory and acclaimed, (which in this case they were not), so all the material deleted by me is evidently WP:UNDUE.-- Smerus ( talk) 13:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
and I've moved the stuff about Ravic to a note, as suggested above. As he seems to have spent much of this tour in jail after bouncing cheques, he could indeed justify an amusing article in his own right.-- Smerus ( talk) 14:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This is June's daughter, whoever put that ravic was my mom's husband would you please remove it off her page... he was her manager and a conductor as well (the whole cast of the Met, my mom, Jan Pierce, Salvatore Baccaloni, Stefan Ballarini, Utah Graf, and Eduardo were all being managed by him on that tour). There is no reason for that negative press you put on there in Variety (which doesn't even look legit) to be on her page, she had nothing to do with his wrong doings (the entire cast was burned by him) and whoever put that on my mom's page is trying to make her look bad (guilt by association). Please remove it. If you want your "Reliable Sourced" articles from her career spanning from 1950-1960's including a 1962 Walter Winchell column article about her fame, go to her pinterest opera board I am stating to add more "Sourced' articles which corroborates what I have been saying from the start. Check painters for updates, I just started adding reliable sourced articles on a daily basis to show the non-believers the truth. thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idoonie ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, [...] is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.This detail does not seem significant enough to include without a source commenting on the significance, or without more developed biographical information available to provide context. Beccaynr ( talk) 23:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Smerus I notice you challenged Preston's studies with Lotte Lehmann. What makes you think this is inaccurate? Lehmann was teaching in California in the late 1940s and early 1950s at the Music Academy of the West in Santa Barbara. Preston was a member of the San Francisco Opera chorus in 1952. Lehmann had a lengthy professional career with the SFO and was closely tied to that company. I personally think its plausible that Preston participated in at a minimum a masterclass(es) with Lehmann given the timeline and geographic overlap. The two women were likely to run across each other through SFO connections in the early 1950s. I think the zarzuela book is likely accurate on this point, although the extent of studies may have been very brief ( i.e. masterclass sessions). Its possible she was a private student as well. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This clipping from The American Observer is some interesting reading in relation to your discussion, 4meter4, Smerus. Silver seren C 22:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi It's June Preston's daughter, I have to say, it's sad you have to fight about all this, I am not lying. Seams like some people are making it their mission to prove me wrong for some reason, it's a bit sad. Anyway, I will clarify all with "Reliable sourced articles" I am compiling at this time and putting on Pinterest for the people trying to help me and to prove this is truth to those who are non-believers. All "Reliable Sourced" articles from her professional opera career spanning from 1950-1960's including the "reliable sourced" 1962 Walter Winchell column article about her being "booked solid around the world" is or will be posted on her Pinterest opera board, I have a lot so it takes time, especially trying to translate. I am adding more each day "Sourced' articles which corroborates what I have been saying from the start. Check Pinterest often for updates, I just started adding reliable sourced articles on a daily basis beginning 1950 onward. thanks! Idoonie ( talk) 09:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Silver screen: this is June Preston's daughter. HOW DARE YOU! "the main thing this article indicates is that JP had sunk so low by 1982 that she was reduced to giving recitals at US Armenian old folks' homes." HOW DARE YOU be so insulting! Not that I need to explain anything to you but first of all my mom only did this appearance as a personal favor to a special friend AND she did this along wit Martin and another San Francisco Opera Co. Tenor, Vahan Khanzadian to show the difference in renditions of how my mom sang it and how Vahan did. Martin Kalmnoff was a lifelong friend of my mom's and he wrote "The Lamento di Puccini" for my mom and by the way I have the original sheet music for it! And for your information, she was not "reduced" to anything. My mom retired from opera when she had me in 1964! She did not want to have me subject to all the touring her career demanded and gave it up for ME! So before you cast stones, check your facts! And if you want REAL reliable sourced articles, programs, photos to go Pinterest I am putting everything on her Pinterest page year by year (1950-1963). AND June Preston was already established by the time she toured with the Met in 1952 by the way, sponsored by Coca-Cola, McCann-Errickson etc. in 1950 onward do you think corporations like that will sponsor a nobody as you like to point out she is? And why else would she have been performing with The met cast in "Mimi" AND "Tosca" both in the lead, if she wasn't ready established. So please STOP being so offensive! Is it so hard for you to admit that she was who I said she was. Everyone is welcome to go to her Pinterest page on the Opera side and you will see all the articles, photos which I am putting on daily. And by the way: Here are some "Quotes" located on the back of one of her programs when she performed in Casablanca (also on Pinterest board): located in 1952 section and 1954 section: Quote: "Jan Peerce (Tenor of Metropolitan Opera NYC) "Singing with her in "La Boheme" was a great experince" Quote: "Salvatore Bacaloni (Basso from the Met, NY) "She is my "Mimi" a great artist & Colleague" Quote: "Robert Weede- (Baritone of Met in NYC) "A magnificent voice" Quote: CS Koussevitzky (Conductor of Boston Symphone Orchestra): "Her voice is as clear and pure, as pure as water from a beautiful crystalline fountain". Does THAT sound like a nobody to you? Have a good day! Sabrina... 172.116.187.37 ( talk) 07:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I am fact-checking the June Preston screen credits which are currently listed in this Wikipedia article as of 01:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC). I am bolding each production as I watch them (I'm watching in totally random order), and verifying the information below each. I will update as I am able to watch more of these. If you wish to reply, please do so below my signature at the bottom, thank you.
-- Softlavender ( talk) 01:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC); updated 10:25, 11 January 2022 (UTC); updated 08:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
This is June's daughter and I'm not going to get into with you, but it seems like some people are making it their mission to prove me wrong or make me out for some sort of lier for some reason. Why on earth would I lie? I mean think about it... what's in if for me? Nothing, absolutely nothing at all! Look, all I know is that my mom was in the movies listed (she remembers being in those movies) there are papers mentioning her being in some of them so regardless what you think or what your little searches come up with that's not set in stone either. There are lost films, fires back in the day film/archives destroyed... what's to say her stuff wasn't destroyed, no one really knows for sure why she isn't in some archives maybe they just weren't digitized. For all I know she may have been in more than that, unlikely but cause she would have remembered but it's a possibility. For example, I have "reliable sourced newspaper" stating she had a "Feature part" in Christmas in July and she is in the Movie Still front center, but he is not credited and maybe her part ended up on the cutting floor, who knows? but that's not her fault. So before you dismiss everything she did like you are doing, maybe check out her Pinterest Film board and see for yourself. Yes, a majority of her films are not credit but they are mentioned in articles in newspapers saying she has a feature part (i am awaiting responses from LA Times and Texas Herald about getting the full page article because I only have the clipped articles which sadly doesn't show the date/page) but they will help me find them. And a lot of articles are clipped, she had Press companies around the nation that clipped her press daily and that's all they did, some have their stamp and put the paper/date/page but not all. So no, some don't have the entire page to see the name of paper but maybe only thh the date - but really? so what... then there are some with the entire source.
I will be updating her Pinterest Film board as I find more "sourced" articles (I have a lot to sift through) so keep checking and maybe then you will find what you need and stop calling me a liar between the lines.
And, if you can prove to me she was not in a particular film, by all means take it off and I will also have it taken off IMDB but, I'm pretty sure these are accurate because she remembers being in them and they are in print. And one more thing, if she is a "Nobody" as you are insinuating, why would she have several manufactures for June Preston apparel lines, a Doll, handkerchiefs, June Preston trademarks from 1934-1950. that were selling all sorts of apparel from 1934 thru 1948? (and I only say 1948 because it's the last year "I" was able to find, it could have gone longer) although 1948 sounds right because she left the industry then. Why would anyone want to buy "Nobody Film Star" dresses for their children. Don't you feel like something is just a little bit off? Stop trying to knock her down and maybe try and help instead of dismissing everything she ever did. I'm sorry but it's just shameful.
Idoonie (
talk) 09:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
look I am not going to go through each movie just to prove your information and "Opinion" is wrong about each movie she was in listed above. If there is a movie where her part is not viewable maybe it was cut out for TV timing like they do all the time, I don't know BUT for example: You mention she was not the little girl skating as there are no children in the film or something like that: Second Fiddle: She is also one of the singers at around early in the movie in a classroom and then the "little girl skating" beginning around 17.47. in the movie. On Thin Ice: Sonia is not the only skater... she was most likely one of the young people skating chorus before Sonia goes out for her solos... i don't know but I do know she was in the movie... I really am not going to go to every movie she was in to defend her. I am not lying because if I were lying, I would have had tons of movies on there. She had a smallish amount of movies she was in and that is what is on her filmography. But, your saying, "You don't seems convinced it's June Preston in a movie" does not mean anything, she was also in movies as a Meglin Kiddie which the studios also used for scenes in their movies and they put their best kids in some movies such as "Maytime", etc. There are photos of my mom in the back lot of the set of "Maytime" in costume on Pinterest... and I am adding more articles daily now because I feel this will help people see her career was serious otherwise why would she have a clothing line from 1934-1948 sold worldwide. Why would people purchase "Nobody star" star apparel? See one of the letters about Marshall Fields selling thousands of dresses dated 1948 send to the RKO studios, etc. Does that sound like a "Nobody". It's all on her Pinterest Film board. Thanks and have a great day Idoonie ( talk) 18:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I am very sorry you are offended, I did not mean to downplay all the work you did, I was upset... trust me... I have been working on this now for a week solid, it has taken over my life, from morning till night to sift through tubs of publicity, organizing, and trying to put relevant things on Pinterest while trying to Organize that board in sections to simplify searches for everyone on this board to view quickly. These movies are listed in my mom's records as being movies she was in. I cannot explain why she has no credits and why they speak of some of the movies in newspapers at least 4 pictures she was in, yet none of us can fact check them. But they are mentioned as her being a Feature artist. In fact, upon signing with RKO she already had a 3 film commitment (also in an article) stating "Anne of Green Gables", "In Love With Life" and "Here is My Heart" a Bing Crosby film and another article states that movie is being previewed at a Texas Theatre and played the next 2 days... So see what I mean. It's not you, it's just strange we can't find record of anything. It's just odd. As for the girl skating in "Thin ICE", I just looked an it wasn't Thin Ice, it was actually Second Fiddle (her memory is not what it use to be) regardless, I am also caught between the woman that did the films and the reality that no one can seem to fact check them when she was actually in them. It is frustrating and I apologize for being upset and for my choice of words, i did not mean it the way it sounded. On my end of this, it is not a pleasure because my mom's career span from 1934-1948 yet, no one can fact check her roll featured or minor, yet ads and articles call her a Film Star. Anyway, I do appreciate the time you have given to this. And I wish you well. Take care, Idoonie ( talk) 05:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
In their complaining about me above, User:Silver_seren comments "maybe Smerus should stop insulting the subject of the article when you know her daughter is also here reading this talk page?". This raises a number of issues: amongst them , how can I be expected to know that JP's daughter is reading this page, and, if I did know, why should that impede me, or anyone else, from acting as a disinterested WP editor?
But more interestingly (to me), it raises the question of how Silverseren knows that JP's daughter is reading this talk page? If Silverseren is in contact with JP's daughter, then should they not declare an actual or potential WP:COI? Some clarification here would be helpful.-- Smerus ( talk) 13:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
The is June Preston's daughter and yes I am reading this page, and yes, I read ALL the pages I have been mentioned in, I do it in order to help or clarify thing for people. I get the message on top of the screen where the bell is located, click on it, and there are all our chats. So yes, I AM reading this page, and yes, some of it is just very hurtful and sad just like they are on other pages. I don't know anyone on this page or any of the other pages, but I do read them to see if I can provide any info. or clarify things, but the more I clarify, the more some push back. It has become apparent that some have made it their mission to prove me wrong and flat out call me a liar which is shameful uncalled for. And again I say to them, why would I lie? What's in it for me? NOTHING, there is nothing in it for me. My mom was a child star of the 1930' and 40's I have the proof, it may not all be "Sourced" because she had publicity companies nationwide that only did daily press clippings and yes, some are stamped with the publication and date/page and some are not but regardless i have them and will post them on her Pinterest Film board for all to see. I am not very well versed at the Talk vs. the chats on wiki and yes I saw several messages which led me to Women in Red page and saw written message to me and I tried to help but then saw more hurtful chatter from people that in my estimation that have no clue as to how the business ran back in those days, but it is what it is, I can't change that. Not all archives were digitized when digitization came to be, but there are thousand of advertisements for June Preston apparel nationwide from 1934-1948 so if she was a "nobody star" why sell her merchandise for over 14 years??? Just because they cannot find something in their little searches it does not mean it is not so: I have the articles and press clippings of her career. I can't help it if she was not credited in her films... that is a fact, does not make her less or me a liar. Sometimes I wish I would have never started this, it's not worth the stress i have endured in the past couple weeks. It's just sad. And it's also very sad for the people at wiki that ARE trying to help fix the page... if it wasn't for all of them and the time they are putting into this to fix it, I would have call corporate, have a chat with them and have them take the page down. Idoonie ( talk) 10:30, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank ScopCreep. I know it is so long ago and it's a shame... but I'm adding to both her Pinterest boards as fast as I can. I have been compiling her extensive opera career by tour, year and country and I have started putting a little at a time on her Pinterest page because I am also trying to find sourced info. in her stuff for the film career... someone at the Texas Herald said Genealogy has her film stuff they checked, so I may join that (do you know anything about that site?. I'm not sure if you are the one dealing with the opera side? but there are several references in articles on the opera end with reliable source newspapers saying she is The Voice of the current time, those articles will be added daily also I just found Quotes shown on back of her Casablanca programs: Quote by: "Jan Peerce (Tenor of Metropolitan Opera NYC) "Singing with her in "La Boheme" was a great experince" Quote: "Salvatore Bacaloni (Basso from the Met, NY) "She is my "Mimi" a great artist & Colleague" Quote: "Robert Weede- (Baritone of Met in NYC) "A magnificent voice" Quote: CS Koussevitzky (Conductor of Boston Symphone Orchestra): "Her voice is as clear and pure, as pure as water from a beautiful crystalline fountain". Which makes me think she performed with the Boston Symphony Orchestra, more I need to look for, this is becoming a job LOL. I saw other quote from Conductors in the US, which I will add to her opera Pinterest page (im trying to just do year by year now, it's to hard to skip around, not to mention dealing with the film career stuff too. Thanks and take care...! signing out. Idoonie ( talk) 04:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
This content is cited to Variety with a proper citation including article title and page numbers. It's in the very last sentence of the article on page 11. It states, "Ravic is married to June Preston, soprano from St. Louis, who appeared in several performances here". As such, the content does not fail verification and that tag should not have been placed by Innisfree987. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
She seems (also?) to have married a violinist, Saul Houben (see June Preston Pinterest page).-- Smerus ( talk) 12:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I just noticed that an anon ip removed the marriage info from the article last April. Given the contested nature of the content by the subject's daughter, I have chosen a compromise rather than a direct revert. I moved the info into the footnotes section and merely stated that the source reported the marriage rather than making an outright claim of the marriage. That seems to be the most careful way to present the content and comply with the policies of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and WP:CENSOR. 4meter4 ( talk) 17:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Did you read the Hollywood Reporter obit? THAT is who she was not what is on wiki or do the wiki contributors know more than the Senior Editor at the Hollywood Reporter?
I have copied this here, because it will get a larger audience here. Theroadislong ( talk) 21:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Stern conducted several operettas featuring Preston in the lead, such as Camille in "The Merry Widow", Marietta in "Naughty Marietta", Micaëla in "Carmen", Gianetta in "Gondoliers" "New Moon", and "Der Fledermaus"- Micaëla is definitely not a lead character in Carmen (she probably gets the least stage time of all female characters), so I doubt any RS printed this (also, it’s die Fledermaus). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I removed this section, it was unsourced, the roles were minor and largely uncredited and the editor who added them is partially blocked for sockpuppetry. Theroadislong ( talk) 06:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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Perhaps the Media History Digital Library will be useful. Here's the Motion Picture Herald, listing June Preston in the role of Mrs. Bluett's daughter in Anne of Green Gables, [RKO] Radio [Pictures], Oct 26, 1934.
Is the Anne of Green Gables role even a speaking role? The character doesn't even have a name (the credits only call the character "The Blewett Little Girl"). No mention of her or even Mrs. Blewett in the standard film plot, or even in the lengthy plot plus characters information in the Wikipedia article on the novel: Anne of Green Gables. Does she have any lines? I probably saw the 1934 movie at some point in my life but I certainly can't recall any details at this point. Softlavender ( talk) 01:39, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
No one has yet demonstrated that this article subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Until that is demonstrated, the notability tag needs to remain on the article per Help:Maintenance template removal. As a courtesy, we are waiting a week or two to see if editors can dig up significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (after that, it will probably go to AFD). But it's fairly clear that neither her career as a child actress (almost exclusively in uncredited parts in film shorts) nor her career as an adult soprano (almost exclusively in a falsely advertised tour of Latin America and a few appearances in Europe, plus a few local or regional appearances in the U.S.) rise to the level of Wikipedia notability, even combined with each other. Softlavender ( talk) 09:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, one part of the hype that actually was a thing were "June Preston Frocks". I'm finding ads about them (yes, they are all advertisements of the dresses for sale for girls; and no, I did not use Pinterest) in U.S. newpapers from 1936 to 1943.
Remember this Australian newspaper item from January 1936 [7]? Well, they took off in the U.S. Here are sample ads from all the years that I found:
I did not find any non-advertisement coverage of them except for the 1936 Brisbane Daily Standard item linked in the second paragraph ( [20]). -- Softlavender ( talk) 10:41, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Karenthewriter, I agree with scope creep: Advertisements are definitely neither significant coverage nor reliable independent sources. (I'm not even sure they are allowed as citations on Wikipedia, and I don't think they would stand up to scrutiny on WP:RSN as usable in this article.) They are ads from manufacturers who entered into a licensing agreement with Preston or her parents in order to make money. They do not even indicate that she was either notable or known or popular. Films and manufacturers and stores attempt to merchanidise films and franchises all the time. I'm not sure that section added to the article should even stand, unless you find and actual independent reliable source discussing the products. In any case, this seems to change nothing in regard to AFD issues. Softlavender ( talk) 03:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
(I just ran into this when researching the frocks.)
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Preston,_June
Astrodatabank's researcher is in possession of (a valid photocopy of) Preston's birth certificate, and it matches what her daughter has claimed all along (honestly, that's one thing the daughter has no motive or cause to lie about). I suggest if we are going to include birth information, we use that information instead of the absurdly varied information that has been reported in various different newspapers. Wiki user Aloist is co-owner/co-creator of Astrodatabank and its parent site, and can confirm that they don't claim possession of birth certificate unless they actually have it in hand. (Can ignore the biography, which they don't factcheck or cite, but they do scrupulously verify birth information.) Softlavender ( talk) 11:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
I found this article and am not clear on if this is Preston or not. If it is, then we not only get a middle name, but also fill in some of the time gap in between the acting and singing career phases. Silver seren C 18:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Silver seren, I think the summary of the Ninth Symphony review is confusing and distorts the meaning of the original article. You wrote, “Reviewer Thomas B. Sherman criticized the composer who put together the Ninth Symphony performance for forcing Preston as the soprano into a "cruel range" that was impossible for any singer to reach without screaming at points.” This makes it sound like Beethoven was alive and actively put together this particular performance of his symphony. The composer in question, Beethoven, died in 1827. Beethoven did not “put together” this specific performance of his Ninth Symphony, nor was the work altered to be higher for this specific performance (that would be sacrilege in the classical music world). Preston was hired to sing a well known masterwork as written by a dead composer. She clearly struggled to perform well, and the reviewer was blaming Beethoven’s writing for the soprano voice as the reason. However, I would point out that this is a very well known frequently performed work with many recording that do not have screaming sopranos, so I am not sure this is a fair assessment of the symphony or Beethoven’s skill writing for the soprano voice, but one particular reviewers reaction to hearing the work not performed well. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
Con extraordinario exito dio su recital el pasado dia 3 del actual, la famosa soprano June Preston, correspondiendo al concierto 11, de los que para este curso, organiza el Instituto Musical.
La destacada personalidad de June Preston puede reflejarse en unas palabras muy expresivas y llenas de sentido artistico: avanzada escuela en la tecnica del canto, dominio de los recursos escenicos, simpatia, y poderosa artifice de esa admiracion que las grandes figuras saben conseguir de los publicos, que las escuchan.
Con estas excepcionales cualidades fue desgranando todas las obras que constituian el programa, a cuyas dotes aun podemos anadir su agradable timbre de voz con perfecto dominio de los altos y bajos en su respectiva cuerda; musicalidad maravillosa, sensibilidad, gracia y prestancia. En fin que su recital constituyo una demonstracion de alta calidad en esta especialidad artistica.
En la primera parte interpreto "Komm Susser Tod" J. S. Bach; "An Choloe" Mozart; "Warnung" idem; "Bodad de Figaro", idem; "All Mein gedamken" Strauss; "Zueignung" idem; "Vergebliches Standechen", de Brahms; "Standchen" idem y "Der Schimed", del mismo autor.
En la segunda parte: "The rim of the monn" Michel Head; "Velvet shoes" Randall Thompson; "Linstead macket", Arthur Benjamin; "The Hero", Menotti; "El arbol del olvido", Ginestera; "Cobla leonsesa" Sandoval, Cantiga de idem y "Copla bailable" idem.
No cabe decir que el pianista acompanante Pedro Vallribera, ya conocido por el publico tarraconense, demostro, otra vez, sus grandes cualidades pianisticas resolviendo con gran habilidad todos los escollos del acompanamiento. Fue un excelente colaborador del exito del concierto.
June Preston y Pedro Vallribera fueron muy sinceramente aplaudidos, e interpretaron fuera de programa: "Spirituals negros" cantados con mucha gracia y esplendoroso dominio.
English:
With extraordinary success, the famous soprano June Preston gave her recital on the 3rd of the present day, corresponding to the 11th concert, of which the Musical Institute organized for this year.
The outstanding personality of June Preston can be reflected in some very expressive words full of artistic sense: advanced school in the technique of singing, mastery of the scenic resources, sympathy, and powerful architect of that admiration that great figures know how to get from the public who listen to them.
With these exceptional qualities, she was reeling off all the works that made up the program, to whose gifts we can still add her pleasant timbre of voice with perfect mastery of the highs and lows in their respective chords; wonderful musicality, sensitivity, grace and poise. In short, her recital constituted a demonstration of high quality in this artistic specialty.
In the first part I interpreted "Komm Susser Tod" J. S. Bach; "An Choloe" Mozart; "Warnung" idem; "Wedding of Figaro", idem; "All Mein gedamken" Strauss; "Zueignung" idem; "Vergebliches Standechen", by Brahms; "Standchen" idem and "Der Schimed", by the same author.
In the second part: "The rim of the monn" Michel Head; "Velvet shoes" Randall Thompson; "Linstead macket", Arthur Benjamin; "The Hero", Menotti; "The tree of oblivion", Ginestera; "Cobla leonsesa" Sandoval, Cantiga de idem and "Copla bailable" idem.
It cannot be said that the accompanying pianist Pedro Vallribera, already known by the Tarragona public, once again demonstrated his great pianistic qualities, solving with great skill all the pitfalls of accompaniment. He was an excellent contributor to the success of the concert.
June Preston and Pedro Vallribera were very sincerely applauded, and they performed off-program: "Black Spirituals", sung with great grace and splendorous mastery.
-- Silver seren C 22:24, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
Nunca reino tan buen humor en el Palacio de la Musica como en la noche de ayer. Todas las caras de los socios de la "Cultural" se mostraban risuenas, jubilosas. Ni un ceno de seriedad ni de tristeza. El regocijo parecia general. A que se debia tan inusitada actitud? Pues a la arrolladora simpatia de la artista que actuaba en escena: la soprano norteamericana June Preston, que acompana todas sus interpretaciones con los gustos mas expresivos, considerando la mimica complemento necesario del canto.
Pero no se crea que June Preston adopta en sus interpretaciones unas "poses" estudiadas, premenditadas, Nada de eso. Es que exterioriza asi lo que adente cuando canta, como propio de su intuicion, de su sensibilidad. Porque esta cantante norteamericana, que ha actuado con exito en conciertos y operas, especialmente en Centro y Sudamerica, posce unas dotes vocales privilegiadas y una capacidad de expresion muy amplia, como lo patentizo anoche a traves de un programa eclectico que incluia desde Bach, Mozart, Ricardo Strauss y Brahms, en la primera parte, hasta compositores modernos de las mas variadas caracteristicas: el ingles Michael Head, el noreamericano Randall Thompson, el italo-americano Menotti, el australiano Arthur Benjamin, el argentino Alberto Ginestera y el venezolano Miguel Sandoval.
Paginas de tan distintos estilos tu-...(unclear)...que le mosto su gratitud y admiracion de mode tambien elocuentemente expresivo.
English:
Never has such a good mood reigned in the Palacio de la Musica as last night. All the faces of the members of the "Cultural" were smiling, jubilant. Not a dream of seriousness or sadness. The rejoicing seemed general. What was the reason for such an unusual attitude? Well, to the overwhelming sympathy of the artist who acted on stage: the American soprano June Preston, who accompanies all her performances with the most expressive tastes, considering the necessary mimic complement of singing.
But do not think that June Preston adopts in her interpretations studied "poses", premeditations, None of that. It is thus that she externalizes what is coming when she sings, as typical of her intuition, of her sensitivity. Because this North American singer, who has performed successfully in concerts and operas, especially in Central and South America, possesses privileged vocal gifts and a very broad capacity for expression, as evidenced last night through an eclectic program that included from Bach, Mozart, Ricardo Strauss and Brahms, in the first part, to modern composers of the most varied characteristics: the English Michael Head, the North American Randall Thompson, the Italian-American Menotti, the Australian Arthur Benjamin, the Argentine Alberto Ginestera and the Venezuelan Miguel Sandoval.
Pages of such different styles you -... (unclear) ... that you showed your gratitude and admiration in a mode that was also eloquently expressive.
-- Silver seren C 22:45, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
June Preston. - Otra excelente cantanje, que fue presentada por primera vez en Barcelona por la Asociacion de Cultura Musical, en un concierto fuera de la serie de sus programadas sesiones. La alegria y cordial actuacion de la cantante, junto a su voz ductil, brillante, agil y limpida le granjearon las simpatias del auditorio, que le aplaudio en el transcurso de todo el recital, muy variado de estilos y tendencias, y siempre perfectamente interpretado. Pedro Vallribera fue el ajustado y pulero acompanante que sobradamente conocemos, compartiendo el exito con la cantante
English:
June Preston. - Another excellent song, which was presented for the first time in Barcelona by the Musical Culture Association, in a concert outside of the series of its programmed sessions. The joy and cordial performance of the singer, together with her ductile, bright, agile and limpid voice won her the sympathy of the audience, who applauded her throughout the entire recital, very varied in styles and trends, and always perfectly interpreted. Pedro Vallribera was the tight and fiery companion that we know all too well, sharing the success with the singer
-- Silver seren C 23:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish:
La soprano norteamericana June Preston, del Metropolitan Opera House de New York y del teatro Colon de Buenos Aires. Ilega ayer tarde al pais con el fin de ofrecer varios conciertos en esta capital y en Santiago.
La senora Preston estuvo en el pais hace algunos dias, en viaje de descanso, y firmo contrato para varios conciertos con la sociedad Pro Arte, de esta ciudad.
Se informo que se incluidan elementos dominicanos en las presentaciones artisticas que se reslicen.
El pianista dominicano Manuel Rueda acompanara a la senorita Preston en sus presentaciones, la primera de las cuales sera en el teatro Olimpia, de esta capital, el 17 del corriente.
La senorita Preston acaba de regresar de una gira de conciertos por la zona del Caribe y America del Sur.
En el aeropuerto fue recibida por una comision de la sociedad Pro Arte.
English:
The American soprano June Preston, from the Metropolitan Opera House in New York and the Colon Theater in Buenos Aires. She arrived in the country yesterday afternoon in order to offer several concerts in this capital and in Santiago.
Mrs. Preston was in the country a few days ago, on a rest trip, and signed a contract for several concerts with the Pro Arte society in this city.
It was reported that Dominican elements are included in the artistic presentations that are resolved.
The Dominican pianist Manuel Rueda will accompany Miss Preston in her presentations, the first of which will be at the Olimpia Theater, in this capital, on the 17th of this year.
Miss Preston has just returned from a concert tour of the Caribbean and South America.
At the airport she was received by a commission from the Pro Arte society.
-- Silver seren C 05:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
French:
Dimanche 14 Fevrier a 7 heures P.M. grace a la courtoisie de Son Encellence le President de la Republique Paul E. Magloire, le Public de Port-au-Prince aura l'occassion d'entendre et l'admirer au kiosque Occide Jeanty, (Place des Heros de l'Independance) la magnifique Soprano Lyrique de l'Opera de N.Y., June Preston, de renommee internationale.
Les performances de June Preston a travers les importantes villes du monde ont eu Lapluls grandes resonnance dans les cercles musicaux. Non seulement les Chefs d'orchestres, les chanteurs d'Opera et les impresario, mais aussi tous les critiques d'art sans exception ne tarissent pas d'eloges a son endroit.
Le Public de Port-au-Prince est cordialement invite a applaudir dimanche 14 Fevrier a 7 P.M., June Preston au Kiosque Occide Jeanty.
Note Biographique
La brillante carriere de la jeune soprano nord americaine, June Preston, agee de 34 ans a debute alors quelle n'etait qu'un enfant et lorsque le fameux conducteur des Compagnies d'Operas de Leipzig et de Berlin, Gustav Stern, venant de sa ville natale en Allemagne, arriva a Seattle, Washington, pour activer le developpement de l'Opera et de la Musique Vocale dans les Nord Ouest des Etata Unis.
Une reception fut offerte en l'honneur de illustre maestro Stern, par la mere de June Preston. Dans une ambiance decordialite et sans ceremonie, le maestro se mit au piano et executa quelques chansons populaires. Immediatement plusierra Invites 'entourerent et se mirent a chanter ensemble les dites partitions. Le maitre sarreta aussitot. Il desirait savoir a qui apportenait cette voix surprenante. Cetait celle de la charmante et tres jeune June Preston.
Le lundi de la semaine suivante, il commenca l'education de celleci, ce qui te porta a s'interesser au developpement de sa carriere comme chantuse de Concert et d'Opera Toutefois la carriere de June avait debute
English:
Sunday February 14 at 7:00 PM thanks to the courtesy of His Excellency the President of the Republic Paul E. Magloire, the Public of Port-au-Prince will have the opportunity to hear and admire her at the Occide Jeanty kiosk, (Place from the Heroes of Independence) the magnificent Lyric Soprano of the NY Opera, June Preston, of international renown.
June Preston's performances in major cities around the world have resounded Lapluls with great resonance in musical circles. Not only conductors, Opera singers and impresario, but also all art critics without exception are full of praise for her.
The Public of Port-au-Prince is cordially invited to applaud Sunday February 14 at 7 P.M., June Preston at the Kiosque Occide Jeanty.
Biographical Note
The brilliant career of the young North American soprano, 34-year-old June Preston began as a child and when the famous conductor of the Leipzig and Berlin Operas Companies, Gustav Stern, from his hometown in Germany, arrived in Seattle, Washington, to activate the development of Opera and Vocal Music in the Northwestern United States.
A reception was held in honor of illustrious Maestro Stern by June Preston's mother. In an atmosphere of cordiality and without ceremony, the maestro took to the piano and performed some popular songs. Immediately moreierra Invites' surrounded and began to sing the said scores together. The master stopped immediately. He wanted to know who brought this surprising voice to. It was that of the charming and very young June Preston.
On Monday of the following week, he began her education, which led you to take an interest in developing her career as a Concert and Opera singer. However, June's career had started
-- Silver seren C 05:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Spanish
Cuando gracias a gentil invitacion tube el placer de escuchar a la distinguida cantante norteamericana June Preston, pude apreciar sus grandes cualidades de artista, su bellisima y extensa voz, su correcta emision, su temperamento intenso, dotes que capacitan a la senora Preston para llegar a ser una gran artista de opera. Esto explica el entusiasmo que me llebo al concerto que, organizado por la Asociacion "Amigos de la Musica", tuvo lugar la noche de anteayer en el Teatro Degollado.
English
When, thanks to a kind invitation, I had the pleasure of listening to the distinguished North American singer June Preston, I was able to appreciate her great qualities as an artist, her beautiful and extensive voice, her correct delivery, her intense temperament, gifts that enable Mrs. Preston to become a great opera artist. This explains the enthusiasm that I took to the concert that, organized by the "Friends of Music" Association, took place the night before yesterday at the Degollado Theater.
Silver seren C 20:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
I had added a section entitled Merchandising, and wrote about June Preston Frocks. Another editor questioned whether that added to notability, so I thought it possible that the section would evidently be deleted. However, I was surprised when Innisfree987 deleted it because it was archival research, and at odds with WP:NOR. I based the section on advertisements I found while searching through newspapers.com for information on June Preston. If I had found five articles on films she had appeared in I would not have considered that to be original research, for I would have found the articles in a published source. I found the advertisements in published sources, so I'm not sure why that became archival research.
The section has been deleted, and I will not revert the deletion since it may not have been the best addition to the article. I can understand that a section based on advertisements was problematic, but I'm baffled by the No Original Research reasoning. Karenthewriter ( talk) 01:02, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Seems like something that belongs in an article on Ravic, not here. It's relevance is questionable. If the issue is the confusion over the name of the company and the fact that it wasn't actually associated with the Met, then removing both of those lines including the name of the company would avoid that issue entirely and leave an article that actually focuses on Preston in specific. Only the first part saying that she was a member of his company is relevant information for this article. Silver seren C 19:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I've been WP:BOLD and deleted details of the programmes sung by Preston in Europe. We don't give this detail even for notable singers unless the performances are notably revelatory and acclaimed, (which in this case they were not), so all the material deleted by me is evidently WP:UNDUE.-- Smerus ( talk) 13:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
and I've moved the stuff about Ravic to a note, as suggested above. As he seems to have spent much of this tour in jail after bouncing cheques, he could indeed justify an amusing article in his own right.-- Smerus ( talk) 14:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This is June's daughter, whoever put that ravic was my mom's husband would you please remove it off her page... he was her manager and a conductor as well (the whole cast of the Met, my mom, Jan Pierce, Salvatore Baccaloni, Stefan Ballarini, Utah Graf, and Eduardo were all being managed by him on that tour). There is no reason for that negative press you put on there in Variety (which doesn't even look legit) to be on her page, she had nothing to do with his wrong doings (the entire cast was burned by him) and whoever put that on my mom's page is trying to make her look bad (guilt by association). Please remove it. If you want your "Reliable Sourced" articles from her career spanning from 1950-1960's including a 1962 Walter Winchell column article about her fame, go to her pinterest opera board I am stating to add more "Sourced' articles which corroborates what I have been saying from the start. Check painters for updates, I just started adding reliable sourced articles on a daily basis to show the non-believers the truth. thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idoonie ( talk • contribs) 08:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, [...] is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.This detail does not seem significant enough to include without a source commenting on the significance, or without more developed biographical information available to provide context. Beccaynr ( talk) 23:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Smerus I notice you challenged Preston's studies with Lotte Lehmann. What makes you think this is inaccurate? Lehmann was teaching in California in the late 1940s and early 1950s at the Music Academy of the West in Santa Barbara. Preston was a member of the San Francisco Opera chorus in 1952. Lehmann had a lengthy professional career with the SFO and was closely tied to that company. I personally think its plausible that Preston participated in at a minimum a masterclass(es) with Lehmann given the timeline and geographic overlap. The two women were likely to run across each other through SFO connections in the early 1950s. I think the zarzuela book is likely accurate on this point, although the extent of studies may have been very brief ( i.e. masterclass sessions). Its possible she was a private student as well. Best. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
This clipping from The American Observer is some interesting reading in relation to your discussion, 4meter4, Smerus. Silver seren C 22:54, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi It's June Preston's daughter, I have to say, it's sad you have to fight about all this, I am not lying. Seams like some people are making it their mission to prove me wrong for some reason, it's a bit sad. Anyway, I will clarify all with "Reliable sourced articles" I am compiling at this time and putting on Pinterest for the people trying to help me and to prove this is truth to those who are non-believers. All "Reliable Sourced" articles from her professional opera career spanning from 1950-1960's including the "reliable sourced" 1962 Walter Winchell column article about her being "booked solid around the world" is or will be posted on her Pinterest opera board, I have a lot so it takes time, especially trying to translate. I am adding more each day "Sourced' articles which corroborates what I have been saying from the start. Check Pinterest often for updates, I just started adding reliable sourced articles on a daily basis beginning 1950 onward. thanks! Idoonie ( talk) 09:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Silver screen: this is June Preston's daughter. HOW DARE YOU! "the main thing this article indicates is that JP had sunk so low by 1982 that she was reduced to giving recitals at US Armenian old folks' homes." HOW DARE YOU be so insulting! Not that I need to explain anything to you but first of all my mom only did this appearance as a personal favor to a special friend AND she did this along wit Martin and another San Francisco Opera Co. Tenor, Vahan Khanzadian to show the difference in renditions of how my mom sang it and how Vahan did. Martin Kalmnoff was a lifelong friend of my mom's and he wrote "The Lamento di Puccini" for my mom and by the way I have the original sheet music for it! And for your information, she was not "reduced" to anything. My mom retired from opera when she had me in 1964! She did not want to have me subject to all the touring her career demanded and gave it up for ME! So before you cast stones, check your facts! And if you want REAL reliable sourced articles, programs, photos to go Pinterest I am putting everything on her Pinterest page year by year (1950-1963). AND June Preston was already established by the time she toured with the Met in 1952 by the way, sponsored by Coca-Cola, McCann-Errickson etc. in 1950 onward do you think corporations like that will sponsor a nobody as you like to point out she is? And why else would she have been performing with The met cast in "Mimi" AND "Tosca" both in the lead, if she wasn't ready established. So please STOP being so offensive! Is it so hard for you to admit that she was who I said she was. Everyone is welcome to go to her Pinterest page on the Opera side and you will see all the articles, photos which I am putting on daily. And by the way: Here are some "Quotes" located on the back of one of her programs when she performed in Casablanca (also on Pinterest board): located in 1952 section and 1954 section: Quote: "Jan Peerce (Tenor of Metropolitan Opera NYC) "Singing with her in "La Boheme" was a great experince" Quote: "Salvatore Bacaloni (Basso from the Met, NY) "She is my "Mimi" a great artist & Colleague" Quote: "Robert Weede- (Baritone of Met in NYC) "A magnificent voice" Quote: CS Koussevitzky (Conductor of Boston Symphone Orchestra): "Her voice is as clear and pure, as pure as water from a beautiful crystalline fountain". Does THAT sound like a nobody to you? Have a good day! Sabrina... 172.116.187.37 ( talk) 07:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I am fact-checking the June Preston screen credits which are currently listed in this Wikipedia article as of 01:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC). I am bolding each production as I watch them (I'm watching in totally random order), and verifying the information below each. I will update as I am able to watch more of these. If you wish to reply, please do so below my signature at the bottom, thank you.
-- Softlavender ( talk) 01:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC); updated 10:25, 11 January 2022 (UTC); updated 08:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
This is June's daughter and I'm not going to get into with you, but it seems like some people are making it their mission to prove me wrong or make me out for some sort of lier for some reason. Why on earth would I lie? I mean think about it... what's in if for me? Nothing, absolutely nothing at all! Look, all I know is that my mom was in the movies listed (she remembers being in those movies) there are papers mentioning her being in some of them so regardless what you think or what your little searches come up with that's not set in stone either. There are lost films, fires back in the day film/archives destroyed... what's to say her stuff wasn't destroyed, no one really knows for sure why she isn't in some archives maybe they just weren't digitized. For all I know she may have been in more than that, unlikely but cause she would have remembered but it's a possibility. For example, I have "reliable sourced newspaper" stating she had a "Feature part" in Christmas in July and she is in the Movie Still front center, but he is not credited and maybe her part ended up on the cutting floor, who knows? but that's not her fault. So before you dismiss everything she did like you are doing, maybe check out her Pinterest Film board and see for yourself. Yes, a majority of her films are not credit but they are mentioned in articles in newspapers saying she has a feature part (i am awaiting responses from LA Times and Texas Herald about getting the full page article because I only have the clipped articles which sadly doesn't show the date/page) but they will help me find them. And a lot of articles are clipped, she had Press companies around the nation that clipped her press daily and that's all they did, some have their stamp and put the paper/date/page but not all. So no, some don't have the entire page to see the name of paper but maybe only thh the date - but really? so what... then there are some with the entire source.
I will be updating her Pinterest Film board as I find more "sourced" articles (I have a lot to sift through) so keep checking and maybe then you will find what you need and stop calling me a liar between the lines.
And, if you can prove to me she was not in a particular film, by all means take it off and I will also have it taken off IMDB but, I'm pretty sure these are accurate because she remembers being in them and they are in print. And one more thing, if she is a "Nobody" as you are insinuating, why would she have several manufactures for June Preston apparel lines, a Doll, handkerchiefs, June Preston trademarks from 1934-1950. that were selling all sorts of apparel from 1934 thru 1948? (and I only say 1948 because it's the last year "I" was able to find, it could have gone longer) although 1948 sounds right because she left the industry then. Why would anyone want to buy "Nobody Film Star" dresses for their children. Don't you feel like something is just a little bit off? Stop trying to knock her down and maybe try and help instead of dismissing everything she ever did. I'm sorry but it's just shameful.
Idoonie (
talk) 09:48, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
look I am not going to go through each movie just to prove your information and "Opinion" is wrong about each movie she was in listed above. If there is a movie where her part is not viewable maybe it was cut out for TV timing like they do all the time, I don't know BUT for example: You mention she was not the little girl skating as there are no children in the film or something like that: Second Fiddle: She is also one of the singers at around early in the movie in a classroom and then the "little girl skating" beginning around 17.47. in the movie. On Thin Ice: Sonia is not the only skater... she was most likely one of the young people skating chorus before Sonia goes out for her solos... i don't know but I do know she was in the movie... I really am not going to go to every movie she was in to defend her. I am not lying because if I were lying, I would have had tons of movies on there. She had a smallish amount of movies she was in and that is what is on her filmography. But, your saying, "You don't seems convinced it's June Preston in a movie" does not mean anything, she was also in movies as a Meglin Kiddie which the studios also used for scenes in their movies and they put their best kids in some movies such as "Maytime", etc. There are photos of my mom in the back lot of the set of "Maytime" in costume on Pinterest... and I am adding more articles daily now because I feel this will help people see her career was serious otherwise why would she have a clothing line from 1934-1948 sold worldwide. Why would people purchase "Nobody star" star apparel? See one of the letters about Marshall Fields selling thousands of dresses dated 1948 send to the RKO studios, etc. Does that sound like a "Nobody". It's all on her Pinterest Film board. Thanks and have a great day Idoonie ( talk) 18:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I am very sorry you are offended, I did not mean to downplay all the work you did, I was upset... trust me... I have been working on this now for a week solid, it has taken over my life, from morning till night to sift through tubs of publicity, organizing, and trying to put relevant things on Pinterest while trying to Organize that board in sections to simplify searches for everyone on this board to view quickly. These movies are listed in my mom's records as being movies she was in. I cannot explain why she has no credits and why they speak of some of the movies in newspapers at least 4 pictures she was in, yet none of us can fact check them. But they are mentioned as her being a Feature artist. In fact, upon signing with RKO she already had a 3 film commitment (also in an article) stating "Anne of Green Gables", "In Love With Life" and "Here is My Heart" a Bing Crosby film and another article states that movie is being previewed at a Texas Theatre and played the next 2 days... So see what I mean. It's not you, it's just strange we can't find record of anything. It's just odd. As for the girl skating in "Thin ICE", I just looked an it wasn't Thin Ice, it was actually Second Fiddle (her memory is not what it use to be) regardless, I am also caught between the woman that did the films and the reality that no one can seem to fact check them when she was actually in them. It is frustrating and I apologize for being upset and for my choice of words, i did not mean it the way it sounded. On my end of this, it is not a pleasure because my mom's career span from 1934-1948 yet, no one can fact check her roll featured or minor, yet ads and articles call her a Film Star. Anyway, I do appreciate the time you have given to this. And I wish you well. Take care, Idoonie ( talk) 05:38, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
In their complaining about me above, User:Silver_seren comments "maybe Smerus should stop insulting the subject of the article when you know her daughter is also here reading this talk page?". This raises a number of issues: amongst them , how can I be expected to know that JP's daughter is reading this page, and, if I did know, why should that impede me, or anyone else, from acting as a disinterested WP editor?
But more interestingly (to me), it raises the question of how Silverseren knows that JP's daughter is reading this talk page? If Silverseren is in contact with JP's daughter, then should they not declare an actual or potential WP:COI? Some clarification here would be helpful.-- Smerus ( talk) 13:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
The is June Preston's daughter and yes I am reading this page, and yes, I read ALL the pages I have been mentioned in, I do it in order to help or clarify thing for people. I get the message on top of the screen where the bell is located, click on it, and there are all our chats. So yes, I AM reading this page, and yes, some of it is just very hurtful and sad just like they are on other pages. I don't know anyone on this page or any of the other pages, but I do read them to see if I can provide any info. or clarify things, but the more I clarify, the more some push back. It has become apparent that some have made it their mission to prove me wrong and flat out call me a liar which is shameful uncalled for. And again I say to them, why would I lie? What's in it for me? NOTHING, there is nothing in it for me. My mom was a child star of the 1930' and 40's I have the proof, it may not all be "Sourced" because she had publicity companies nationwide that only did daily press clippings and yes, some are stamped with the publication and date/page and some are not but regardless i have them and will post them on her Pinterest Film board for all to see. I am not very well versed at the Talk vs. the chats on wiki and yes I saw several messages which led me to Women in Red page and saw written message to me and I tried to help but then saw more hurtful chatter from people that in my estimation that have no clue as to how the business ran back in those days, but it is what it is, I can't change that. Not all archives were digitized when digitization came to be, but there are thousand of advertisements for June Preston apparel nationwide from 1934-1948 so if she was a "nobody star" why sell her merchandise for over 14 years??? Just because they cannot find something in their little searches it does not mean it is not so: I have the articles and press clippings of her career. I can't help it if she was not credited in her films... that is a fact, does not make her less or me a liar. Sometimes I wish I would have never started this, it's not worth the stress i have endured in the past couple weeks. It's just sad. And it's also very sad for the people at wiki that ARE trying to help fix the page... if it wasn't for all of them and the time they are putting into this to fix it, I would have call corporate, have a chat with them and have them take the page down. Idoonie ( talk) 10:30, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank ScopCreep. I know it is so long ago and it's a shame... but I'm adding to both her Pinterest boards as fast as I can. I have been compiling her extensive opera career by tour, year and country and I have started putting a little at a time on her Pinterest page because I am also trying to find sourced info. in her stuff for the film career... someone at the Texas Herald said Genealogy has her film stuff they checked, so I may join that (do you know anything about that site?. I'm not sure if you are the one dealing with the opera side? but there are several references in articles on the opera end with reliable source newspapers saying she is The Voice of the current time, those articles will be added daily also I just found Quotes shown on back of her Casablanca programs: Quote by: "Jan Peerce (Tenor of Metropolitan Opera NYC) "Singing with her in "La Boheme" was a great experince" Quote: "Salvatore Bacaloni (Basso from the Met, NY) "She is my "Mimi" a great artist & Colleague" Quote: "Robert Weede- (Baritone of Met in NYC) "A magnificent voice" Quote: CS Koussevitzky (Conductor of Boston Symphone Orchestra): "Her voice is as clear and pure, as pure as water from a beautiful crystalline fountain". Which makes me think she performed with the Boston Symphony Orchestra, more I need to look for, this is becoming a job LOL. I saw other quote from Conductors in the US, which I will add to her opera Pinterest page (im trying to just do year by year now, it's to hard to skip around, not to mention dealing with the film career stuff too. Thanks and take care...! signing out. Idoonie ( talk) 04:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
This content is cited to Variety with a proper citation including article title and page numbers. It's in the very last sentence of the article on page 11. It states, "Ravic is married to June Preston, soprano from St. Louis, who appeared in several performances here". As such, the content does not fail verification and that tag should not have been placed by Innisfree987. 4meter4 ( talk) 23:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
She seems (also?) to have married a violinist, Saul Houben (see June Preston Pinterest page).-- Smerus ( talk) 12:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I just noticed that an anon ip removed the marriage info from the article last April. Given the contested nature of the content by the subject's daughter, I have chosen a compromise rather than a direct revert. I moved the info into the footnotes section and merely stated that the source reported the marriage rather than making an outright claim of the marriage. That seems to be the most careful way to present the content and comply with the policies of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and WP:CENSOR. 4meter4 ( talk) 17:53, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Did you read the Hollywood Reporter obit? THAT is who she was not what is on wiki or do the wiki contributors know more than the Senior Editor at the Hollywood Reporter?
I have copied this here, because it will get a larger audience here. Theroadislong ( talk) 21:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Stern conducted several operettas featuring Preston in the lead, such as Camille in "The Merry Widow", Marietta in "Naughty Marietta", Micaëla in "Carmen", Gianetta in "Gondoliers" "New Moon", and "Der Fledermaus"- Micaëla is definitely not a lead character in Carmen (she probably gets the least stage time of all female characters), so I doubt any RS printed this (also, it’s die Fledermaus). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I removed this section, it was unsourced, the roles were minor and largely uncredited and the editor who added them is partially blocked for sockpuppetry. Theroadislong ( talk) 06:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)