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If juke joints started in, say, 1862, why is that I always think of them as an early 20th century thing? Perhaps the more relevant question is: what sort of music did they play in these joints in the 1870s? Is this (piano?) music documented in any way? Pick a year: say, 1891. The article seems to suggest that juke joints existed then. So what kind of wild, cool, pre-blues was being thrown down in that year? Anybody know?
Here's the first page of a discussion about black string bands. [1] Note the statement about people not knowing anything about. I didn't. Steve Pastor ( talk) 23:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
"See what people are forgettin' is there was a country dance sound around before blues, pre-blues, in other words there was a string band sound, maybe an old black guy'd play a banjo, especially in the other states, or he'd play a guitar and a fiddle, which is what Henry Sims was doing. Henry Sims had a black string band. You don't even think about that when you think about the delta, you think about the bluesman with his guitar and a bottleneck." [2] Most jook joionts are supposed to have held about 40 patrons, but some were big enough to hold 100 - BB King in Jookin', and the quoted statement allows that one musician could play in this style. Could you share the sources that say flat out that it didn't happen? Even if that is the case, sources also state that black and white musicians by and large shared the same repertoire up until about the 1890s. Hey, keep up the good work. Steve Pastor ( talk) 19:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, see, I don't think you have to be black to evaluate what has been written and recorded. There are in fact many accounts of blacks dancing "Western dances" like the waltz, polka, etc. I almost fell over when I heard Quincy Jones - THE Quincy Jones - say - in a video presentation at the Experience Music Project in Seattle, that he played waltzes schottiches and polkas in the late 1940s in Seattle. I read the same in accounts of Scott Joplin's life. Check up on the Carolina Chocolate Drops who are reviving the black string band tradtion. It's just been over looked by people up until now. Steve Pastor ( talk) 21:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, and that's why I'm glad that someone else is looking at this article. This has been a journey of discovery for me, because, even though I was way into blues about 10 years ago, I am only now learning beyond the Cliff Notes version of what actually happened. And, although some cherished myths are being disassembled, the fuller story is more interesting, I'd say. And some of the stuff is there in the books that I read 10 years ago. It just didn't register at the time. Steve Pastor ( talk) 22:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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Isn't it possible that some blacks disapproved of the jook crowd for reasons other than bellying up to whitey? Perhaps they felt a genuine religious fervor or saw them as too violent? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefferson337 ( talk • contribs)
I have deleted the sentence "It could also derive from the Irish language "deoch dionta" (drinking roofed place)," which I had originally tagged as needing a reference. A little research hasn't turned this up anywhere else, so I suspect OR. Mrrhum ( talk) 00:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I am a white woman from Mississippi (but not the delta) who was born in the 1950s. I heard about juke joints in passing sentences from time to time. The county that I grew up in was a dry county which meant that the voters chose to keep all forms of alcoholic beverages illegal until the tide of public opinion changed all of that in a new vote several years ago. Therefore, there were no bars, public restaurants which served alcohol, grocery stores that served such or liquor stores either, but there were plenty of bootleggers. So I am told. I never met a person which I knew was a bootlegger until I was an adult. However, like I said, I only heard about juke joints in passing. I never associated them solely with black people. I only associated them with bootleggers, or bars, who would take anybody's money but had their businesses located in different neighborhoods. There were many bootleggers living along a certain highway on the reservation because there was a lot of money to be made in that neighborhood. There were also beer selling businesses in wet counties next to my county as people from my county were leaving and entering those counties, and there was one notorious business known for its wet t shirt contests that definitely catered to the rowdy drunk white crowds leaving my county, until legend has it, that the owner got saved (became a Christian) and cleaned up his business. Then it became an auto junk yard. In its hey day it catered to white crowds, as I said, and I would have definitely called that bar out in the middle of nowhere a juke joint. All I knew was that I was supposed to stay out of them. My grandmother also wanted us to stay out of pool halls because that was a legendary evil place where corrupt characters met until my father challenged that thinking by opening a skating rink which had pool tables, and all of his children learned how to shoot pool. So I come back to the question, "Did white people go to juke joints?" Could juke joints be described as any informal rowdy place where drunks gathered to let off steam but could not go in more formal settings throughout the rural south? Annette in Mississippi ( talk) 03:55, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I grew up in the Bahamas (Gullah is much the same). Jook (rhymes with book) means to poke. There's a definite sexual reference that makes more sense that what is listed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Actionmoviefreak ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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If juke joints started in, say, 1862, why is that I always think of them as an early 20th century thing? Perhaps the more relevant question is: what sort of music did they play in these joints in the 1870s? Is this (piano?) music documented in any way? Pick a year: say, 1891. The article seems to suggest that juke joints existed then. So what kind of wild, cool, pre-blues was being thrown down in that year? Anybody know?
Here's the first page of a discussion about black string bands. [1] Note the statement about people not knowing anything about. I didn't. Steve Pastor ( talk) 23:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
"See what people are forgettin' is there was a country dance sound around before blues, pre-blues, in other words there was a string band sound, maybe an old black guy'd play a banjo, especially in the other states, or he'd play a guitar and a fiddle, which is what Henry Sims was doing. Henry Sims had a black string band. You don't even think about that when you think about the delta, you think about the bluesman with his guitar and a bottleneck." [2] Most jook joionts are supposed to have held about 40 patrons, but some were big enough to hold 100 - BB King in Jookin', and the quoted statement allows that one musician could play in this style. Could you share the sources that say flat out that it didn't happen? Even if that is the case, sources also state that black and white musicians by and large shared the same repertoire up until about the 1890s. Hey, keep up the good work. Steve Pastor ( talk) 19:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, see, I don't think you have to be black to evaluate what has been written and recorded. There are in fact many accounts of blacks dancing "Western dances" like the waltz, polka, etc. I almost fell over when I heard Quincy Jones - THE Quincy Jones - say - in a video presentation at the Experience Music Project in Seattle, that he played waltzes schottiches and polkas in the late 1940s in Seattle. I read the same in accounts of Scott Joplin's life. Check up on the Carolina Chocolate Drops who are reviving the black string band tradtion. It's just been over looked by people up until now. Steve Pastor ( talk) 21:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, and that's why I'm glad that someone else is looking at this article. This has been a journey of discovery for me, because, even though I was way into blues about 10 years ago, I am only now learning beyond the Cliff Notes version of what actually happened. And, although some cherished myths are being disassembled, the fuller story is more interesting, I'd say. And some of the stuff is there in the books that I read 10 years ago. It just didn't register at the time. Steve Pastor ( talk) 22:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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Isn't it possible that some blacks disapproved of the jook crowd for reasons other than bellying up to whitey? Perhaps they felt a genuine religious fervor or saw them as too violent? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefferson337 ( talk • contribs)
I have deleted the sentence "It could also derive from the Irish language "deoch dionta" (drinking roofed place)," which I had originally tagged as needing a reference. A little research hasn't turned this up anywhere else, so I suspect OR. Mrrhum ( talk) 00:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I am a white woman from Mississippi (but not the delta) who was born in the 1950s. I heard about juke joints in passing sentences from time to time. The county that I grew up in was a dry county which meant that the voters chose to keep all forms of alcoholic beverages illegal until the tide of public opinion changed all of that in a new vote several years ago. Therefore, there were no bars, public restaurants which served alcohol, grocery stores that served such or liquor stores either, but there were plenty of bootleggers. So I am told. I never met a person which I knew was a bootlegger until I was an adult. However, like I said, I only heard about juke joints in passing. I never associated them solely with black people. I only associated them with bootleggers, or bars, who would take anybody's money but had their businesses located in different neighborhoods. There were many bootleggers living along a certain highway on the reservation because there was a lot of money to be made in that neighborhood. There were also beer selling businesses in wet counties next to my county as people from my county were leaving and entering those counties, and there was one notorious business known for its wet t shirt contests that definitely catered to the rowdy drunk white crowds leaving my county, until legend has it, that the owner got saved (became a Christian) and cleaned up his business. Then it became an auto junk yard. In its hey day it catered to white crowds, as I said, and I would have definitely called that bar out in the middle of nowhere a juke joint. All I knew was that I was supposed to stay out of them. My grandmother also wanted us to stay out of pool halls because that was a legendary evil place where corrupt characters met until my father challenged that thinking by opening a skating rink which had pool tables, and all of his children learned how to shoot pool. So I come back to the question, "Did white people go to juke joints?" Could juke joints be described as any informal rowdy place where drunks gathered to let off steam but could not go in more formal settings throughout the rural south? Annette in Mississippi ( talk) 03:55, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I grew up in the Bahamas (Gullah is much the same). Jook (rhymes with book) means to poke. There's a definite sexual reference that makes more sense that what is listed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Actionmoviefreak ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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