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Allan W. Eckert's The Wilderness War (pp 7, 440-441) has Brant's birthplace as Shenango, "located on the right bank of the Ohio River below present Pittsburgh... near present Leetsdale, Pennsylvania". Shenango disappeared about 1748.
Also, Tiyanoga ("King Hendrick") was a friend of Brant's stepfather, but not Brant's grandfather. Brant's stepfather was the son of Saga-yean-qua-rash-tow, one of the "four kings" who were taken to England in 1710 by Peter Schuyler. If no one objects I'll make these changes. -- Mwanner 02:19, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
A few weeks ago 24.29.207.144 changed the birthplace of Brant and left an edit summary saying: Akron is not near the Ohio River, but rather, on the banks of the Cuyahoga River. I am fairly sure that this page had the two names mixed up. He was born in Ohio, on the banks of the Cuyahoga River. Does anyone know for sure that this is correct, or is it extrapolation based on general data? I'd prefer that the article stated generally that he was born near Akron and the Ohio River rather than guestimating a location. -- NormanEinstein June 28, 2005 13:48 (UTC)
I had trouble with the First Nation addition when I first saw it, but I'm reverting back to it because the last third of his life was spent in Canada. It's too bad there is not a real useful term that encompasses Canadian and American Indians-- after all, the boundary between the countries was imposed from without. As I write this, though, I realise that the order should be different. Will fix. -- Mwanner | Talk 14:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
About Molly Brant, sister of Joseph Brant, it says that Johnson married her. But on Johnson's article, it says he "never" married. What's the truth?
just wondering guys does anyone know how he came to be known as "Joseph Brant"? And how did his family get the surname "Brant" from? 172.145.65.148
I added Tyandaga. I'm from Burlington, and that is the correct spellings for one of the districts of Burlington, as well as one of our library branches.
Genealogy.rootswebb gave Jacob Brant's birth and death dates 1786-1847. In the article it states in section Later years, legacy, some descendants Generations 2-4. Jacob (1786-1947), that is 161 years which must be a typo. I changed the death date per the above source.-- Dakota 06:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I was just wondering that why did he choose to support the British over the Americans during the war. I need some help for school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.52.18 ( talk) 02:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
and he slept a lot
I have a relative (first name is Brant, carried down thru the years they say from Joseph Brant) who is supposedly a decendant and has heard that their is a scholarship of sorts assocatied with being a decendant of Joseph Brant. Has anyone heard of this??? Denise Friedmann 68.81.85.82 16:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me where "here" is in reference to the following line from the article: "During his lifetime, Brant was the subject of many portrait artists, both here and abroad" I was sure Brant pre-dated the internet. Dr Mullet 19:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have a suggested insert or addition. I am deferring to you as the primary authors-editors. This suggested insert relates to Brant at Cherry Valley, Brant as compassionate, and Brant as a Freemason. This would probably fit after your paragraph on the Wyoming Valley and Cherry Valley massacres. Here’s some possible verbiage:
Lt. Col. William Stacy of the Continental Army was the highest ranking officer captured during the Cherry Valley massacre. Several accounts indicate that during the fighting, or shortly thereafter, Col. Stacy was stripped naked, tied to a stake, and was about to be tortured and killed, but was spared by Joseph Brant. William Stacy, like Joseph Brant, was a Freemason. It is reported that Stacy made an appeal as one Freemason to another, and Brant saved his life.
For your info, here is some background information with related references:
Barker reports that “Col. William Stacy from New Salem, Massachusetts, he some time an Officer of the Revolution, was taken prisoner by the Indians on the Mohawk River and was sentenced to the flames and was rescued from the stake by the Chief, Brandt, on his making it known he was a Freemason.”
Drake reports that “…he [Col. Stacy] was on the 11th Nov. 1778, surprised and captured at Cherry Valley, N.Y., by a large force of Indians and Tories under Cols. Butler and Brant, and only escaped torture at the stake, to which he had already been tied, by making the freemason’s sign, which was recognized by the latter.”
Edes and Darlington report “William Stacey; in 1778 lieutenant-colonel of Alden’s
Massachusetts regiment of the line; taken prisoner at Cherry Valley, New York by a detachment of Tories and Indians, under Butler and Brant. The latter rescued him from burning at the stake, to which he was tied by the savages.” Regards,
ColWilliam
16:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to recommend the deletion of some of the descendants of Joseph Brant since most of these people are not notable people and Wikipedia is for notable people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability BradMajors 04:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Though I believe Cameron Brant deserves at least a mention (great great grandson). He is believed to have been the first member of the Six Nations to enlist in the Canadain army, which is notable in it's own right. -Anon — Preceding
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Thanks User:BradMajors for finding that 1856 source for Brant's purchase (and sale) of a slave. It's great to have primary sources, but I think it is wrong to remove the link to where I found the informantion, [1] the city museum of Guelph, Ontario. It is fair to assume that the museum website is reliable (the town archivist would face disciplinary action for inaccuracies), and it is certainly more accessible to our readers than the 1856 publication. I suggest we include both. BrainyBabe ( talk) 18:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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Is there an alternate term that could be used here? " he met many of the most significant Anglo-American people of the age, including both George Washington and King George III." is an inaccurate statement, but I'm not sure if just "Anglo people" would be appropriate.
2607:FCC8:FB8B:F600:E5CD:CA53:37BA:F73 ( talk) 00:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
How is there no mention in the popular culture section of his being a major antagonist in this classic novel? Alexandermoir ( talk) 04:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
And why is there no mention of the town and lake named for him? https://www.brantny.com/ViewPosting.php?PostID=15 Alexandermoir ( talk) 04:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Allan W. Eckert's The Wilderness War (pp 7, 440-441) has Brant's birthplace as Shenango, "located on the right bank of the Ohio River below present Pittsburgh... near present Leetsdale, Pennsylvania". Shenango disappeared about 1748.
Also, Tiyanoga ("King Hendrick") was a friend of Brant's stepfather, but not Brant's grandfather. Brant's stepfather was the son of Saga-yean-qua-rash-tow, one of the "four kings" who were taken to England in 1710 by Peter Schuyler. If no one objects I'll make these changes. -- Mwanner 02:19, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
A few weeks ago 24.29.207.144 changed the birthplace of Brant and left an edit summary saying: Akron is not near the Ohio River, but rather, on the banks of the Cuyahoga River. I am fairly sure that this page had the two names mixed up. He was born in Ohio, on the banks of the Cuyahoga River. Does anyone know for sure that this is correct, or is it extrapolation based on general data? I'd prefer that the article stated generally that he was born near Akron and the Ohio River rather than guestimating a location. -- NormanEinstein June 28, 2005 13:48 (UTC)
I had trouble with the First Nation addition when I first saw it, but I'm reverting back to it because the last third of his life was spent in Canada. It's too bad there is not a real useful term that encompasses Canadian and American Indians-- after all, the boundary between the countries was imposed from without. As I write this, though, I realise that the order should be different. Will fix. -- Mwanner | Talk 14:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
About Molly Brant, sister of Joseph Brant, it says that Johnson married her. But on Johnson's article, it says he "never" married. What's the truth?
just wondering guys does anyone know how he came to be known as "Joseph Brant"? And how did his family get the surname "Brant" from? 172.145.65.148
I added Tyandaga. I'm from Burlington, and that is the correct spellings for one of the districts of Burlington, as well as one of our library branches.
Genealogy.rootswebb gave Jacob Brant's birth and death dates 1786-1847. In the article it states in section Later years, legacy, some descendants Generations 2-4. Jacob (1786-1947), that is 161 years which must be a typo. I changed the death date per the above source.-- Dakota 06:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I was just wondering that why did he choose to support the British over the Americans during the war. I need some help for school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.86.52.18 ( talk) 02:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC).
and he slept a lot
I have a relative (first name is Brant, carried down thru the years they say from Joseph Brant) who is supposedly a decendant and has heard that their is a scholarship of sorts assocatied with being a decendant of Joseph Brant. Has anyone heard of this??? Denise Friedmann 68.81.85.82 16:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me where "here" is in reference to the following line from the article: "During his lifetime, Brant was the subject of many portrait artists, both here and abroad" I was sure Brant pre-dated the internet. Dr Mullet 19:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have a suggested insert or addition. I am deferring to you as the primary authors-editors. This suggested insert relates to Brant at Cherry Valley, Brant as compassionate, and Brant as a Freemason. This would probably fit after your paragraph on the Wyoming Valley and Cherry Valley massacres. Here’s some possible verbiage:
Lt. Col. William Stacy of the Continental Army was the highest ranking officer captured during the Cherry Valley massacre. Several accounts indicate that during the fighting, or shortly thereafter, Col. Stacy was stripped naked, tied to a stake, and was about to be tortured and killed, but was spared by Joseph Brant. William Stacy, like Joseph Brant, was a Freemason. It is reported that Stacy made an appeal as one Freemason to another, and Brant saved his life.
For your info, here is some background information with related references:
Barker reports that “Col. William Stacy from New Salem, Massachusetts, he some time an Officer of the Revolution, was taken prisoner by the Indians on the Mohawk River and was sentenced to the flames and was rescued from the stake by the Chief, Brandt, on his making it known he was a Freemason.”
Drake reports that “…he [Col. Stacy] was on the 11th Nov. 1778, surprised and captured at Cherry Valley, N.Y., by a large force of Indians and Tories under Cols. Butler and Brant, and only escaped torture at the stake, to which he had already been tied, by making the freemason’s sign, which was recognized by the latter.”
Edes and Darlington report “William Stacey; in 1778 lieutenant-colonel of Alden’s
Massachusetts regiment of the line; taken prisoner at Cherry Valley, New York by a detachment of Tories and Indians, under Butler and Brant. The latter rescued him from burning at the stake, to which he was tied by the savages.” Regards,
ColWilliam
16:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I would like to recommend the deletion of some of the descendants of Joseph Brant since most of these people are not notable people and Wikipedia is for notable people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability BradMajors 04:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Though I believe Cameron Brant deserves at least a mention (great great grandson). He is believed to have been the first member of the Six Nations to enlist in the Canadain army, which is notable in it's own right. -Anon — Preceding
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Thanks User:BradMajors for finding that 1856 source for Brant's purchase (and sale) of a slave. It's great to have primary sources, but I think it is wrong to remove the link to where I found the informantion, [1] the city museum of Guelph, Ontario. It is fair to assume that the museum website is reliable (the town archivist would face disciplinary action for inaccuracies), and it is certainly more accessible to our readers than the 1856 publication. I suggest we include both. BrainyBabe ( talk) 18:11, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
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Is there an alternate term that could be used here? " he met many of the most significant Anglo-American people of the age, including both George Washington and King George III." is an inaccurate statement, but I'm not sure if just "Anglo people" would be appropriate.
2607:FCC8:FB8B:F600:E5CD:CA53:37BA:F73 ( talk) 00:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
How is there no mention in the popular culture section of his being a major antagonist in this classic novel? Alexandermoir ( talk) 04:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
And why is there no mention of the town and lake named for him? https://www.brantny.com/ViewPosting.php?PostID=15 Alexandermoir ( talk) 04:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)