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Sourcing is BLP1E. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
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Good evening, I'm noticing that Jorit signs all his works only with this name, without ever adding "Agoch" and also in many interviews he talks about himself only as Jorit and never "Jorit Agoch". If you agree I would be to rename the entry only in "Jorit" specifying in the body that "Agoch" would be a pseudonym. Mhorg ( talk) 17:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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A number of reports about his detention in Israel call him Agostino Chirwin. What's this about? - Altenmann >talk 12:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know if this source is reliable? [2] It is practically unknown in Italy and has minimal graphics, like a site from the early 2000s. It looks like an amateur project and even the texts do not seem professionally written. Mhorg ( talk) 09:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
With the latest changes, [3] 4 lines of text have been added to recount unimportant details about Helen Whittle's reaction, moreover using as the source "Italy 24 press" which I fear is not reliable and uses very aggressive and unprofessional language. Mhorg ( talk) 09:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I believe this article [4] cannot be used for text like "[Jorit] was accused of spreading Russian propaganda" as it makes assertions without bringing evidence. We read: "judging by the likes accumulated on Instagram, the Kremlin has once again hit its target: to favour its narrative to a foreign audience, specifically the Italian one". So is the article suggesting that this artist is being manipulated by Moscow? Evidence? Mhorg ( talk) 11:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
With the latest changes, we have 9 lines of text detailing a minor event, this one from Mariupol, in the artist's career. The article looks more and more like a WP:Attack. I would also ask other colleagues to express themselves. I think we need to shorten the text as soon as possible to neutralise it. Mhorg ( talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Archived BLPN discussion [5] Morbidthoughts ( talk) 00:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
The previous Acknowledgements section was a copy-paste of a machine translation of the original source, so I rewrote it. I left in the nomination statement, but am dubious that it's WP:DUE so if another editor decides to remove it, I won't object. Schazjmd (talk) 16:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Morbidthoughts: Hope my new version of the info on Sasha Korban mural Milana versus Jorit's mural of Whittle's daughter is now more clearly shown as due context per the sources. Boud ( talk) 19:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Proposal 2 3 4 (refs 1 and 2 are in the article):
Critics also questioned the appropriateness of Jorit's mural after Russian forces had previously removed a mural by Sasha Korban in Mariupol that depicted a Ukrainian girl who lost her leg and her mother in a missile strike by pro-Russian forces in 2015. [1] [2] [3] [4]
@ Morbidthoughts and Mhorg: Any objections? Boud ( talk) 01:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC) (edited from Proposal 2 to Proposal 3 based on Morbidthoughts' comment Boud ( talk) 16:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)) (edited to Proposal 4 with one more reference Boud ( talk) 23:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC))
References
IlGiornale_Jorit_graffiti_artist
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Guardian_photographer_criticises
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Jorit stated (29:50 [9]) that he placed the NATO missiles in the mural because in the days he went to Mariupol, missiles had been fired at the city, as also reported in the Italian media. [10] Similar reports of similar bombings on the city in previous months had also been reported in the NYTimes. [11]
In the article, however, there is only this kind of criticism, which in my opinion seems to be just the journalist's way of discrediting the artist: "Jorit's mural was criticised on the basis that the bombs that killed children in Mariupol were Russian, and that the Mariupol hospital airstrike was attributed to Russian forces".
Either remove this part or specify what the artist meant. I repeat, this section is becoming huge on a fringe event. Mhorg ( talk) 19:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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Sourcing is BLP1E. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 21:06, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 12:52, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Good evening, I'm noticing that Jorit signs all his works only with this name, without ever adding "Agoch" and also in many interviews he talks about himself only as Jorit and never "Jorit Agoch". If you agree I would be to rename the entry only in "Jorit" specifying in the body that "Agoch" would be a pseudonym. Mhorg ( talk) 17:23, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 13:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
A number of reports about his detention in Israel call him Agostino Chirwin. What's this about? - Altenmann >talk 12:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know if this source is reliable? [2] It is practically unknown in Italy and has minimal graphics, like a site from the early 2000s. It looks like an amateur project and even the texts do not seem professionally written. Mhorg ( talk) 09:45, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
With the latest changes, [3] 4 lines of text have been added to recount unimportant details about Helen Whittle's reaction, moreover using as the source "Italy 24 press" which I fear is not reliable and uses very aggressive and unprofessional language. Mhorg ( talk) 09:48, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I believe this article [4] cannot be used for text like "[Jorit] was accused of spreading Russian propaganda" as it makes assertions without bringing evidence. We read: "judging by the likes accumulated on Instagram, the Kremlin has once again hit its target: to favour its narrative to a foreign audience, specifically the Italian one". So is the article suggesting that this artist is being manipulated by Moscow? Evidence? Mhorg ( talk) 11:26, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
With the latest changes, we have 9 lines of text detailing a minor event, this one from Mariupol, in the artist's career. The article looks more and more like a WP:Attack. I would also ask other colleagues to express themselves. I think we need to shorten the text as soon as possible to neutralise it. Mhorg ( talk) 18:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Archived BLPN discussion [5] Morbidthoughts ( talk) 00:46, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
The previous Acknowledgements section was a copy-paste of a machine translation of the original source, so I rewrote it. I left in the nomination statement, but am dubious that it's WP:DUE so if another editor decides to remove it, I won't object. Schazjmd (talk) 16:49, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Morbidthoughts: Hope my new version of the info on Sasha Korban mural Milana versus Jorit's mural of Whittle's daughter is now more clearly shown as due context per the sources. Boud ( talk) 19:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Proposal 2 3 4 (refs 1 and 2 are in the article):
Critics also questioned the appropriateness of Jorit's mural after Russian forces had previously removed a mural by Sasha Korban in Mariupol that depicted a Ukrainian girl who lost her leg and her mother in a missile strike by pro-Russian forces in 2015. [1] [2] [3] [4]
@ Morbidthoughts and Mhorg: Any objections? Boud ( talk) 01:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC) (edited from Proposal 2 to Proposal 3 based on Morbidthoughts' comment Boud ( talk) 16:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)) (edited to Proposal 4 with one more reference Boud ( talk) 23:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC))
References
IlGiornale_Jorit_graffiti_artist
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Guardian_photographer_criticises
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Jorit stated (29:50 [9]) that he placed the NATO missiles in the mural because in the days he went to Mariupol, missiles had been fired at the city, as also reported in the Italian media. [10] Similar reports of similar bombings on the city in previous months had also been reported in the NYTimes. [11]
In the article, however, there is only this kind of criticism, which in my opinion seems to be just the journalist's way of discrediting the artist: "Jorit's mural was criticised on the basis that the bombs that killed children in Mariupol were Russian, and that the Mariupol hospital airstrike was attributed to Russian forces".
Either remove this part or specify what the artist meant. I repeat, this section is becoming huge on a fringe event. Mhorg ( talk) 19:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)