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I have a suggested addition for the "Awards and honours" section:
In 2018, Mitchell was honoured by the city of Saskatoon, when two plaques were erected to commemorate her musical beginnings in Saskatoon. One was installed by the Broadway Theatre beside the former Louis Riel Coffee House, where Mitchell played her first paid gig. A second plaque was installed at River Landing, near the Remai Modern art gallery and Persephone Theatre performing arts centre. As well, the walkway along Spadina Crescent between Second and Third Avenues was formally named the Joni Mitchell Promenade. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drm310 ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
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Is it really Joni Mitchell CC (top right, above the info box? In the article on Buffy Sainte-Marie you have OC for the same honour - and a more plausible abbreviation of "Order of Canada". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpapke ( talk • contribs) 09:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Every time I put in what her dad did for a living after the war - he was a grocer - someone deletes it. I think that is an important part of her history and she has mentioned it countless times. What's the problem with mentioning it? Who keeps deleting it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.148.199 ( talk) 13:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
I was the first one to add that her father was a flight instructor during the war. That came from her father's obituary, which I found online. I didn't mention the source, someone else added that. I also added that, after the war, her father worked as a grocer. She talks about it all the time when she talks about her family. It is a fact mentioned in numerous articles about her, The Calgary Herald 'Swerve' February 2, 2007 is one example. Her dad was a flight instructor during the war. Only during the war. Then he became a grocer. It's pointless to change it because it always gets deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.148.199 ( talk) 07:59, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the addition. But the paragraph is not written well. It doesn't flow. I'm not talking about what you added. I'm talking about the whole paragraph. I'm picky. I had it flowing until people came along and changed it. I give up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.148.199 ( talk) 07:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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I'm surprised that the article mentions her marriage to Larry Klein in 1982 but not her earlier marriage to Mr. Mitchell. John Link ( talk) 01:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi folks, I have just entered the 2020 recordings into the list of Studio Albums, but some of the material is live and I guess that might call into question whether we change the section name to Albums, and include some other live sessions? I can understand that when you start entering live albums, it is easy to drift into bootlegs, so perhaps it stays as Studio Albums? What do people think? I don't have a problem if a few responsible editors agree to delete what I put in. All good.
Greg (New Zealand) Realitylink ( talk) 08:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I guess you are right. Perhaps there could be a section on live albums though, just thinking of Miles of Aisles and Shadows of Light - and now these collections. I am happy for the ones I added not to live in the current section for now. Is anybody keen to set up a place to look at her live albums? There has been a lot of interesting discussion around these lately, and they are an important part of her work. Just a thought.
Greg Realitylink ( talk) 09:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
And, as you do, I have just picked up there is a category for her live albums! /info/en/?search=Category:Joni_Mitchell_live_albums
Realitylink ( talk) 09:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I can totally see that. Realitylink ( talk) 22:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I was surprised to note the lack of a section on "Personal life" that would pull together in one place her marriages & other events that are presently scattered throughout the present page. Is there any reason not to create a "Personal life" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamWQuick ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree. The article is really confusing to any reader who wants to know about her personal life. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bt.no/kultur/i/7Pe79/ble-fortalt-hun-var-same — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:c0:df02:1b00:b472:8dc7:35e8:e390 ( talk) 10:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
1974 live album “Miles of Aisles” needs to be included. 67.247.204.25 ( talk) 06:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
I can't access the source. Could someone give us a direct quotation to support this? Thanks. Sundayclose ( talk) 02:17, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I added a sentence to the lead but it was reverted here with the edit summary "recent news not needed in the intro". Just to note that this controversy was mentioned today on BBC Radio News, and discussed on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme and has led to Rogan commenting and Spotify reacting by adding a content advisory notice to podcasts: [1] Martinevans123 ( talk) 13:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree that it is best to not put that in the lead, including for the reasons described above. North8000 ( talk) 16:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I naturally agree with this edit by Ghmyrtle, but I think it's worth pointing out (because I for one had no idea about this!) that Shelagh McDonald is actually a rather obscure singer-songwriter with a sporadic career and a fascinating life story whose early 1970s music does have some resemblance to Joni Mitchell's. The best example I could find after a quick check was her take on " Let No Man Steal Your Thyme", a song I know from the Pentangle version. I think Shelagh McDonald is probably too obscure to mention here though, even if we did find a source about Mitchell's influence on her. Graham 87 02:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
If anyone has the energy to update this article, it needs more about her performance at The Gorge and about her Newport album release. Elttaruuu ( talk) 08:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Diana Krall also appeared as one of the featured artists 174.93.89.135 ( talk) 11:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
It seems to me that with the text "when the dust settles" removed in this edit, it isn't clear why we're being speculative. We then have to say that either she is/was the most influential female recording artist or not. If we don't have an answer to that now, then I think we need to leave in the implication that this is yet to be determined. Fabrickator ( talk) 22:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Article states "her father took a job as a grocer and his work took the family to Saskatchewan". I am skeptical of the claim that the family specifically moved to Saskatchewan to obtain or retain his position as a grocer. It seems just as likely they moved there for any number of other reasons and then he obtained a job related to his prior work experience. Fabrickator ( talk) 15:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
At this postwar point, Mitchell's father was out of the service and employed as the manager of an outlet of the O.K. Economy chain of general stores in North Battleford, Saskatchewan, a rural suburb of the provincial city of Saskatoon." So that seems to fit, if not exactly? Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
After the war, her father worked as a manager of an O.K. Economy store in North Battleford, Saskatchewan, a rural suburb of Saskatoon." Her living in Maidstone would need another source. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
It states Joni is Canadian-American. Let me say, she is CANADIAN! So often this happens on here with many other Canadians. Just because they may live in the US at times does not make them American. Very annoying for all of us Canadians! 92.15.83.254 ( talk) 12:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Mitchell is both a Canadian and U.S. citizen. [1]" Do you disagree with that source? Sorry if that's too annoying for you. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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And while she still sees herself as a Canadian first – she is both a Canadian and U.S. citizen – Ms. Mitchell believes the country is sliding dangerously close to assimilation with the U.S., politically, economically and culturally.
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I have a suggested addition for the "Awards and honours" section:
In 2018, Mitchell was honoured by the city of Saskatoon, when two plaques were erected to commemorate her musical beginnings in Saskatoon. One was installed by the Broadway Theatre beside the former Louis Riel Coffee House, where Mitchell played her first paid gig. A second plaque was installed at River Landing, near the Remai Modern art gallery and Persephone Theatre performing arts centre. As well, the walkway along Spadina Crescent between Second and Third Avenues was formally named the Joni Mitchell Promenade. [1] [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drm310 ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
References
Approved
spintendo
00:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Is it really Joni Mitchell CC (top right, above the info box? In the article on Buffy Sainte-Marie you have OC for the same honour - and a more plausible abbreviation of "Order of Canada". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpapke ( talk • contribs) 09:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Every time I put in what her dad did for a living after the war - he was a grocer - someone deletes it. I think that is an important part of her history and she has mentioned it countless times. What's the problem with mentioning it? Who keeps deleting it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.148.199 ( talk) 13:45, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
I was the first one to add that her father was a flight instructor during the war. That came from her father's obituary, which I found online. I didn't mention the source, someone else added that. I also added that, after the war, her father worked as a grocer. She talks about it all the time when she talks about her family. It is a fact mentioned in numerous articles about her, The Calgary Herald 'Swerve' February 2, 2007 is one example. Her dad was a flight instructor during the war. Only during the war. Then he became a grocer. It's pointless to change it because it always gets deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.148.199 ( talk) 07:59, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the addition. But the paragraph is not written well. It doesn't flow. I'm not talking about what you added. I'm talking about the whole paragraph. I'm picky. I had it flowing until people came along and changed it. I give up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.161.148.199 ( talk) 07:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
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I'm surprised that the article mentions her marriage to Larry Klein in 1982 but not her earlier marriage to Mr. Mitchell. John Link ( talk) 01:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi folks, I have just entered the 2020 recordings into the list of Studio Albums, but some of the material is live and I guess that might call into question whether we change the section name to Albums, and include some other live sessions? I can understand that when you start entering live albums, it is easy to drift into bootlegs, so perhaps it stays as Studio Albums? What do people think? I don't have a problem if a few responsible editors agree to delete what I put in. All good.
Greg (New Zealand) Realitylink ( talk) 08:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I guess you are right. Perhaps there could be a section on live albums though, just thinking of Miles of Aisles and Shadows of Light - and now these collections. I am happy for the ones I added not to live in the current section for now. Is anybody keen to set up a place to look at her live albums? There has been a lot of interesting discussion around these lately, and they are an important part of her work. Just a thought.
Greg Realitylink ( talk) 09:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
And, as you do, I have just picked up there is a category for her live albums! /info/en/?search=Category:Joni_Mitchell_live_albums
Realitylink ( talk) 09:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I can totally see that. Realitylink ( talk) 22:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I was surprised to note the lack of a section on "Personal life" that would pull together in one place her marriages & other events that are presently scattered throughout the present page. Is there any reason not to create a "Personal life" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamWQuick ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree. The article is really confusing to any reader who wants to know about her personal life. -- SergeWoodzing ( talk) 01:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
https://www.bt.no/kultur/i/7Pe79/ble-fortalt-hun-var-same — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:c0:df02:1b00:b472:8dc7:35e8:e390 ( talk) 10:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
1974 live album “Miles of Aisles” needs to be included. 67.247.204.25 ( talk) 06:09, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
I can't access the source. Could someone give us a direct quotation to support this? Thanks. Sundayclose ( talk) 02:17, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
I added a sentence to the lead but it was reverted here with the edit summary "recent news not needed in the intro". Just to note that this controversy was mentioned today on BBC Radio News, and discussed on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme and has led to Rogan commenting and Spotify reacting by adding a content advisory notice to podcasts: [1] Martinevans123 ( talk) 13:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree that it is best to not put that in the lead, including for the reasons described above. North8000 ( talk) 16:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I naturally agree with this edit by Ghmyrtle, but I think it's worth pointing out (because I for one had no idea about this!) that Shelagh McDonald is actually a rather obscure singer-songwriter with a sporadic career and a fascinating life story whose early 1970s music does have some resemblance to Joni Mitchell's. The best example I could find after a quick check was her take on " Let No Man Steal Your Thyme", a song I know from the Pentangle version. I think Shelagh McDonald is probably too obscure to mention here though, even if we did find a source about Mitchell's influence on her. Graham 87 02:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
If anyone has the energy to update this article, it needs more about her performance at The Gorge and about her Newport album release. Elttaruuu ( talk) 08:24, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
Diana Krall also appeared as one of the featured artists 174.93.89.135 ( talk) 11:00, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
It seems to me that with the text "when the dust settles" removed in this edit, it isn't clear why we're being speculative. We then have to say that either she is/was the most influential female recording artist or not. If we don't have an answer to that now, then I think we need to leave in the implication that this is yet to be determined. Fabrickator ( talk) 22:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Article states "her father took a job as a grocer and his work took the family to Saskatchewan". I am skeptical of the claim that the family specifically moved to Saskatchewan to obtain or retain his position as a grocer. It seems just as likely they moved there for any number of other reasons and then he obtained a job related to his prior work experience. Fabrickator ( talk) 15:49, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
At this postwar point, Mitchell's father was out of the service and employed as the manager of an outlet of the O.K. Economy chain of general stores in North Battleford, Saskatchewan, a rural suburb of the provincial city of Saskatoon." So that seems to fit, if not exactly? Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
After the war, her father worked as a manager of an O.K. Economy store in North Battleford, Saskatchewan, a rural suburb of Saskatoon." Her living in Maidstone would need another source. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
It states Joni is Canadian-American. Let me say, she is CANADIAN! So often this happens on here with many other Canadians. Just because they may live in the US at times does not make them American. Very annoying for all of us Canadians! 92.15.83.254 ( talk) 12:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Mitchell is both a Canadian and U.S. citizen. [1]" Do you disagree with that source? Sorry if that's too annoying for you. Martinevans123 ( talk) 12:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
References
And while she still sees herself as a Canadian first – she is both a Canadian and U.S. citizen – Ms. Mitchell believes the country is sliding dangerously close to assimilation with the U.S., politically, economically and culturally.