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Oh, get over it, Johnny. Oprah praising your book is one of the best things that could happen. Sweep the leg. You got a problem with that!?! - Martin Kove — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.104.47 ( talk) 13:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC) If you've read The Corrections, it should be rather clear why he might object to Oprah's seal. And I think he's certainly aware that it helped him sell lots of books. But he ain't crazy about what that little seal means. Once, while reading the book in public, a stranger took note of it in a very skeptical tone--"Oprah's book club?!" Underneath that question, lay another unspoken one: "you're not a middle-aged, white, suburban woman, so why are you reading that sappy crap?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.104.193 ( talk) 01:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC) Although I didn't read the Oregonian article, I remember a Fresh Air (public radio) interview in which Franzen expressed reservations about the Oprah endorsement. - John Markos O'Neill — Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC) |
"The Corrections, which became one of the most best-selling works of literary fiction of the 2000's."
How can this be assumed, the decade isn't yet finished! -- Hugh 08:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
"A film adaptation of the novel has been in the works since 2002, with Robert Zemeckis attached as director." " He expressed his dissatisfaction with the Oprah insignia being printed on his book by saying, "I see this as my book, my creation, and I didn't want that logo of corporate ownership on it." Really? He didn't want corporate ownership without an official check (even though I know he liked all the sales her endorsement provided. Ask James Frey, Oparah can sell books. I wonder what the "logo of corporate ownership" (film deal) paid? Master Redyva 20:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we get an actual picture of Mr. Franzen in this page and not a cartoon of him with 3 other cartoon authors? It isn't even clear from the caption which one is Franzen. The only one I know by sight is Gore Vidal and I consider myself something of an avid reader. How is the average person seeking information on Franzen supposed to know which of the figures represents Franzen?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.208.174 ( talk • contribs)
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Is there no public domain photograph of The 'Franz better than this? He looks here to have just suffered an Immodium-filled night. Please? If anyone's got one, let us in on it. Chicopac ( talk) 14:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I would point out that the link for the title freedom only indicates that that will be the title when released in Italy. PDBailey ( talk) 01:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone actually heard him speak fluent German? Why the reluctance to do so publicly? Where did this claim originate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.91.85 ( talk) 20:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
When some notable people pushed the hype surrounding Freedom (e.g., Time editors) and some notable people objected to the hype (as documented with two reliable citations, more available), the word for that in English is "controversy". Choor monster ( talk) 16:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Franzen is not a hysterical realist author. Per the wikipedia article, "strong contrast between elaborately absurd prose, plotting, or characterization and careful, detailed investigations of real specific social phenomena". Both The Corrections and Freedom are works of social realism. Neither have elaborate absurd prose, plotting or characterization. They do deal with social phenomena; however, hysterical realism juxtaposes these two features.
I would suggest changing Franzen's genre to social realism. Eesome ( talk) 23:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)eesome
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help). In short, I believe social realism has been around for quite some time as a literary movement, but the movement may have fallen out of favor (thus, Franzen and Wolfe's attempts to 'revive' it) and thus, the term possibly. To be honest, I was surprised that the 'social realism' entry did not include the literary movement as well.
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talk) 19:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)There are a few points where the article references another piece of media, but doesn't actually include the relevant pieces of information. It seems like whoever wrote it is confusing what is important. It's not important that Franzen is interviewed. What is important is what he says in the interviews. - "In the lecture he said of the third question in particular "This one always raises my blood pressure" and quoted Nabokov in response." Shouldn't the Nabokov quote either be included or the entire Nabokov reference be left out? - "He discussed the implications of the Time coverage, and the reasoning behind the title of Freedom in an interview in Manchester, England, in October 2010." Shouldn't we include what he said, not that he did an interview? - "Franzen also discussed his friendship with David Foster Wallace and the impact of Wallace's suicide on his writing process." What was the impact of his friendship with Wallace and Wallace's suicide? 71.245.182.119 ( talk) 14:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
That section is also missing it's link. Elemming ( talk) 08:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
The Somerville Scout seems to think at some point he lived in Somerville, Massachusetts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beland ( talk • contribs) 20:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
He did, not Boston, I updated Willakers81 ( talk) 15:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. Feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 05:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
The article on Franzen and his first breakthrough book includes only positive opinions. Meanwhile, on the Graham Greene page, readers are subjected to Franzen’s negative assessment of Greene, as if that was crucial to know. Seems pretty biased. I don’t think Franzen’s opinions matter as to whether I would read another Greene novel. Meanwhile Franzen’s own boring, overlong work functions as its own dissuasion to reading his. 211.250.58.37 ( talk) 00:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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Oh, get over it, Johnny. Oprah praising your book is one of the best things that could happen. Sweep the leg. You got a problem with that!?! - Martin Kove — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.104.47 ( talk) 13:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC) If you've read The Corrections, it should be rather clear why he might object to Oprah's seal. And I think he's certainly aware that it helped him sell lots of books. But he ain't crazy about what that little seal means. Once, while reading the book in public, a stranger took note of it in a very skeptical tone--"Oprah's book club?!" Underneath that question, lay another unspoken one: "you're not a middle-aged, white, suburban woman, so why are you reading that sappy crap?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.104.193 ( talk) 01:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC) Although I didn't read the Oregonian article, I remember a Fresh Air (public radio) interview in which Franzen expressed reservations about the Oprah endorsement. - John Markos O'Neill — Preceding undated comment added 16:30, 8 July 2006 (UTC) |
"The Corrections, which became one of the most best-selling works of literary fiction of the 2000's."
How can this be assumed, the decade isn't yet finished! -- Hugh 08:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
"A film adaptation of the novel has been in the works since 2002, with Robert Zemeckis attached as director." " He expressed his dissatisfaction with the Oprah insignia being printed on his book by saying, "I see this as my book, my creation, and I didn't want that logo of corporate ownership on it." Really? He didn't want corporate ownership without an official check (even though I know he liked all the sales her endorsement provided. Ask James Frey, Oparah can sell books. I wonder what the "logo of corporate ownership" (film deal) paid? Master Redyva 20:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we get an actual picture of Mr. Franzen in this page and not a cartoon of him with 3 other cartoon authors? It isn't even clear from the caption which one is Franzen. The only one I know by sight is Gore Vidal and I consider myself something of an avid reader. How is the average person seeking information on Franzen supposed to know which of the figures represents Franzen?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.237.208.174 ( talk • contribs)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 07:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there no public domain photograph of The 'Franz better than this? He looks here to have just suffered an Immodium-filled night. Please? If anyone's got one, let us in on it. Chicopac ( talk) 14:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
I would point out that the link for the title freedom only indicates that that will be the title when released in Italy. PDBailey ( talk) 01:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone actually heard him speak fluent German? Why the reluctance to do so publicly? Where did this claim originate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.91.85 ( talk) 20:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
When some notable people pushed the hype surrounding Freedom (e.g., Time editors) and some notable people objected to the hype (as documented with two reliable citations, more available), the word for that in English is "controversy". Choor monster ( talk) 16:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Franzen is not a hysterical realist author. Per the wikipedia article, "strong contrast between elaborately absurd prose, plotting, or characterization and careful, detailed investigations of real specific social phenomena". Both The Corrections and Freedom are works of social realism. Neither have elaborate absurd prose, plotting or characterization. They do deal with social phenomena; however, hysterical realism juxtaposes these two features.
I would suggest changing Franzen's genre to social realism. Eesome ( talk) 23:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)eesome
{{
cite news}}
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help). In short, I believe social realism has been around for quite some time as a literary movement, but the movement may have fallen out of favor (thus, Franzen and Wolfe's attempts to 'revive' it) and thus, the term possibly. To be honest, I was surprised that the 'social realism' entry did not include the literary movement as well.
Eesome (
talk) 19:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)There are a few points where the article references another piece of media, but doesn't actually include the relevant pieces of information. It seems like whoever wrote it is confusing what is important. It's not important that Franzen is interviewed. What is important is what he says in the interviews. - "In the lecture he said of the third question in particular "This one always raises my blood pressure" and quoted Nabokov in response." Shouldn't the Nabokov quote either be included or the entire Nabokov reference be left out? - "He discussed the implications of the Time coverage, and the reasoning behind the title of Freedom in an interview in Manchester, England, in October 2010." Shouldn't we include what he said, not that he did an interview? - "Franzen also discussed his friendship with David Foster Wallace and the impact of Wallace's suicide on his writing process." What was the impact of his friendship with Wallace and Wallace's suicide? 71.245.182.119 ( talk) 14:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
That section is also missing it's link. Elemming ( talk) 08:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
The Somerville Scout seems to think at some point he lived in Somerville, Massachusetts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beland ( talk • contribs) 20:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
He did, not Boston, I updated Willakers81 ( talk) 15:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. Feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 05:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
The article on Franzen and his first breakthrough book includes only positive opinions. Meanwhile, on the Graham Greene page, readers are subjected to Franzen’s negative assessment of Greene, as if that was crucial to know. Seems pretty biased. I don’t think Franzen’s opinions matter as to whether I would read another Greene novel. Meanwhile Franzen’s own boring, overlong work functions as its own dissuasion to reading his. 211.250.58.37 ( talk) 00:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)