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Wouldn't "John of Léoncel" make more sense as a title, as a literal translation into English? The current title mixes English and Latin for a French bishop in Bosnia.
Srnec (
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01:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)reply
You're making a good point. I started a similar discussion at
Talk:Juraj Imoćanin. The conclusion was to use a native name per
WP:USENATIVE, since no English sources are talking about this person.
Since I'm relatively familiar with the topic, I can say this, two prominent authors (Mandić, Žugaj) call him "Joannes de Leoncello", three authors (Soldo, Škegro, Žugaj) call him "Ivan de Leoncello". As I said, there aren't any English-speaking or French-speaking authors dealing with this person (as far as I'm aware, though there was a
guy with the same name, a commander of the Knights Hospitaller in the 15th century). This can be checked via Google Scholar (which omits
Mandić's book and one of
Žugaj's books).
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varieties of English. According to the
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broad consensus.
Title
Wouldn't "John of Léoncel" make more sense as a title, as a literal translation into English? The current title mixes English and Latin for a French bishop in Bosnia.
Srnec (
talk)
01:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)reply
You're making a good point. I started a similar discussion at
Talk:Juraj Imoćanin. The conclusion was to use a native name per
WP:USENATIVE, since no English sources are talking about this person.
Since I'm relatively familiar with the topic, I can say this, two prominent authors (Mandić, Žugaj) call him "Joannes de Leoncello", three authors (Soldo, Škegro, Žugaj) call him "Ivan de Leoncello". As I said, there aren't any English-speaking or French-speaking authors dealing with this person (as far as I'm aware, though there was a
guy with the same name, a commander of the Knights Hospitaller in the 15th century). This can be checked via Google Scholar (which omits
Mandić's book and one of
Žugaj's books).