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Gemini, Apollo and the space shuttle make three different kinds of spacecraft, not four. I know CNN is saying four but why? Rmhermen 15:37, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Here are the 4 types of spacecraft.
Maybe they meant
-- Toytoy 16:15, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
John Young was born September 24th, 1930 in San Francisco, California. He is married to the former Susy Feldman. He has two children, a daughter Sandra Young, and a son John H. Young. As well as two granddaughters Caitlyn and Lindsey Gay. His hobbies include reading, windsurfing, gardening, and bicycling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.159.34.147 ( talk) 13:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. 199.125.109.88 ( talk) 15:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
John Young (astronaut) → John Watts Young — Using his full name (currently a redirect) would seem better than using his first and last names with a disambiguator, per WP:NCP. -- G W … 12:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This has been thoroughly dealt with. The NASA page last time also referred to the six missions. The compromise was to allow the statement of six, but with the additional comment. I should not need to go over the issues again; but Young has had seven launches and seven landings. Even if you maintain that it is six, the compromise of stating six but seven IF the lunar flight is counted should remain. Alan Davidson ( talk) 23:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Another random person here. I've never heard NASA or the astronauts refer to a single lunar mission as two "flights" based on the lunar liftoff. To call this seven flights would be misleading. Even parenthetically saying it could count as seven sounds inappropriate and tinged with WP:OR and WP:NPOV. But if there's any serious division of editors here (as opposed to one or two vocal editors), I suggest that we avoid the issue and count missions rather than flights, which has no similar issue. TJRC ( talk) 19:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I'll jump back into this discussion to say that I agree with TJRC re: OR and NPOV, and Alvez3's distinction between "launch" and "spaceflight". If we were in some hypothetical future where space colonization exists, and Young (and Duke et al.) could have arrived somewhere and flown back later, that would certainly count as separate flights. As it is, Young flew in space using a series of spacecraft (CSM, LM, and even his own personal spacecraft we call a spacesuit) and returned home, all in a single flight. I've never been happy with the "7 if you count the moon" parenthetical and only conceded its inclusion back in April 2009 to avoid an edit war. In terms of consensus, my position is firmly on the side of counting his record at 6 flights, period. Kevin Forsyth ( talk) 19:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
With regard to the NASA biography page at http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/young.html I tend to consider it suspect. It concludes with the disclaimer "Updates must be sought direct from the above named individual" which I infer to mean that the information was copied verbatim from an outside source and does not necessarily represent an "official" NASA position on the matter. On the other hand, the NASA-published "Astronaut Fact Book" (2005, available at http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/factsheets/pdfs/astro.pdf) lists Young at 6 flights (page 10) and also (page 64) mentions his Congressional Space Medal citation for 5 (at the time, prior to STS-9) flights. Finally, there's one other point I'd like to make: in a quick scan of the other moonwalkers' articles, it appears that only Young's makes the "+1 if you count the Moon" claim. To me, that kind of makes consensus 11-to-1 against. Kevin Forsyth ( talk) 20:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
"In his book Moondust, Andrew Smith reports on an interview with Young. He describes him as having several autistic-like traits, such as addressing the wall behind Smith[3], talking at length about technical matters and asteroid impacts, and misunderstanding questions about his own feelings. Smith laments that an individual like Young, who has become a favourite of many Apollo fans, might have trouble making it in today's more superficial world of brand identities."
Is this Smith a doctor who specializes in autism? Should Young's mannerisms during the lone interview be properly considered "traits", and "autistic"? I think the actual quote should be included here, not this misleading paraphrasing of it. 68Kustom ( talk) 02:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Smith is not a doctor of any kind, and this suggestion is preposterous. Did it never occur to him that Young may not care for 1 on 1 interviews? Ive seen the man speak publicly and he conveys emotion and ideas just as well as the next John Doe. J.Rly ( talk) 04:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Young is actually credited with seven flights. Six flights from Earth and one flight from the Moon. Alan Davidson ( talk) 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Mention of the Sigma Chi flag and badge going to the moon and the place of their current location seems trivial and an advertisement for the Sigma Chi fraternity. In an article on a man who has accomplished so much is this worth mentioning? By comparison, there is no mention of the current location of the spacecraft he flew or what experiments were done on his spaceflights.
173.13.222.49 ( talk) 11:34, 23 September 2011 (UTC)Mark Wright-Johnson
The Quotes section apparently has been removed from the Apollo 16 article, so the wikilink about the orange juice is pointless. It needs verification, and also clarification: what effects? Too much or too little? I also changed the wording; "was troubled by" tends to make readers (at least in the U.S.) think of an emotional worry rather than a physical complaint. JustinTime55 ( talk) 15:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
JustinTime55 ( talk) 16:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:John Young (astronaut)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I think this article is well on the way to being an A article, provided that inline citations and references are used. I would suggest more information about his flights, and more photographs, since NASA photos are public domain and will help to illustrate his career better. This is the best Apollo-era Moonwalker article I've seen yet, the rest are stub or start quality. Abebenjoe 22:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Pete Conrad flew Gemini, Apollo CSM, Apollo LM, and Skylab before Young flew the Shuttle. I suppose the argument is that Skylab is a station and not a spacecraft and shouldn't count, but that seems a little specious to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nails67 ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Mentions space flights. So he did space flights while with the navy? Or is that supposed to be in another section? MurielMary ( talk) 08:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I do not know how to link this to the article on John Young, but I think it should be: /info/en/?search=Florida_State_Road_423 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.221.11 ( talk) 08:10, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Balon Greyjoy: NASA just uploaded a new image of Young, see here. Might go well in a training section. Kees08 (Talk) 20:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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Gemini, Apollo and the space shuttle make three different kinds of spacecraft, not four. I know CNN is saying four but why? Rmhermen 15:37, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Here are the 4 types of spacecraft.
Maybe they meant
-- Toytoy 16:15, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
John Young was born September 24th, 1930 in San Francisco, California. He is married to the former Susy Feldman. He has two children, a daughter Sandra Young, and a son John H. Young. As well as two granddaughters Caitlyn and Lindsey Gay. His hobbies include reading, windsurfing, gardening, and bicycling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.159.34.147 ( talk) 13:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. 199.125.109.88 ( talk) 15:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
John Young (astronaut) → John Watts Young — Using his full name (currently a redirect) would seem better than using his first and last names with a disambiguator, per WP:NCP. -- G W … 12:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
This has been thoroughly dealt with. The NASA page last time also referred to the six missions. The compromise was to allow the statement of six, but with the additional comment. I should not need to go over the issues again; but Young has had seven launches and seven landings. Even if you maintain that it is six, the compromise of stating six but seven IF the lunar flight is counted should remain. Alan Davidson ( talk) 23:51, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Another random person here. I've never heard NASA or the astronauts refer to a single lunar mission as two "flights" based on the lunar liftoff. To call this seven flights would be misleading. Even parenthetically saying it could count as seven sounds inappropriate and tinged with WP:OR and WP:NPOV. But if there's any serious division of editors here (as opposed to one or two vocal editors), I suggest that we avoid the issue and count missions rather than flights, which has no similar issue. TJRC ( talk) 19:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I'll jump back into this discussion to say that I agree with TJRC re: OR and NPOV, and Alvez3's distinction between "launch" and "spaceflight". If we were in some hypothetical future where space colonization exists, and Young (and Duke et al.) could have arrived somewhere and flown back later, that would certainly count as separate flights. As it is, Young flew in space using a series of spacecraft (CSM, LM, and even his own personal spacecraft we call a spacesuit) and returned home, all in a single flight. I've never been happy with the "7 if you count the moon" parenthetical and only conceded its inclusion back in April 2009 to avoid an edit war. In terms of consensus, my position is firmly on the side of counting his record at 6 flights, period. Kevin Forsyth ( talk) 19:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
With regard to the NASA biography page at http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/young.html I tend to consider it suspect. It concludes with the disclaimer "Updates must be sought direct from the above named individual" which I infer to mean that the information was copied verbatim from an outside source and does not necessarily represent an "official" NASA position on the matter. On the other hand, the NASA-published "Astronaut Fact Book" (2005, available at http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/spacenews/factsheets/pdfs/astro.pdf) lists Young at 6 flights (page 10) and also (page 64) mentions his Congressional Space Medal citation for 5 (at the time, prior to STS-9) flights. Finally, there's one other point I'd like to make: in a quick scan of the other moonwalkers' articles, it appears that only Young's makes the "+1 if you count the Moon" claim. To me, that kind of makes consensus 11-to-1 against. Kevin Forsyth ( talk) 20:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
"In his book Moondust, Andrew Smith reports on an interview with Young. He describes him as having several autistic-like traits, such as addressing the wall behind Smith[3], talking at length about technical matters and asteroid impacts, and misunderstanding questions about his own feelings. Smith laments that an individual like Young, who has become a favourite of many Apollo fans, might have trouble making it in today's more superficial world of brand identities."
Is this Smith a doctor who specializes in autism? Should Young's mannerisms during the lone interview be properly considered "traits", and "autistic"? I think the actual quote should be included here, not this misleading paraphrasing of it. 68Kustom ( talk) 02:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Mr. Smith is not a doctor of any kind, and this suggestion is preposterous. Did it never occur to him that Young may not care for 1 on 1 interviews? Ive seen the man speak publicly and he conveys emotion and ideas just as well as the next John Doe. J.Rly ( talk) 04:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Young is actually credited with seven flights. Six flights from Earth and one flight from the Moon. Alan Davidson ( talk) 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Mention of the Sigma Chi flag and badge going to the moon and the place of their current location seems trivial and an advertisement for the Sigma Chi fraternity. In an article on a man who has accomplished so much is this worth mentioning? By comparison, there is no mention of the current location of the spacecraft he flew or what experiments were done on his spaceflights.
173.13.222.49 ( talk) 11:34, 23 September 2011 (UTC)Mark Wright-Johnson
The Quotes section apparently has been removed from the Apollo 16 article, so the wikilink about the orange juice is pointless. It needs verification, and also clarification: what effects? Too much or too little? I also changed the wording; "was troubled by" tends to make readers (at least in the U.S.) think of an emotional worry rather than a physical complaint. JustinTime55 ( talk) 15:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
JustinTime55 ( talk) 16:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:John Young (astronaut)/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I think this article is well on the way to being an A article, provided that inline citations and references are used. I would suggest more information about his flights, and more photographs, since NASA photos are public domain and will help to illustrate his career better. This is the best Apollo-era Moonwalker article I've seen yet, the rest are stub or start quality. Abebenjoe 22:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Pete Conrad flew Gemini, Apollo CSM, Apollo LM, and Skylab before Young flew the Shuttle. I suppose the argument is that Skylab is a station and not a spacecraft and shouldn't count, but that seems a little specious to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nails67 ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Mentions space flights. So he did space flights while with the navy? Or is that supposed to be in another section? MurielMary ( talk) 08:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I do not know how to link this to the article on John Young, but I think it should be: /info/en/?search=Florida_State_Road_423 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.221.11 ( talk) 08:10, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Balon Greyjoy: NASA just uploaded a new image of Young, see here. Might go well in a training section. Kees08 (Talk) 20:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)