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added information on attending morristown prep prior to harvard. Actually a segment of the film reds was to be filmed at Morristown beard, but the school did not want the negative attention assocaited with communism at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hl1978 ( talk • contribs) 21:18, September 27, 2005
According to a book on George Bellows I'm reading by M. Haverstock Reed and Bellows travelled from NYC to Philly in 1915 to cover one of Billy Sunday's revivals. That date doesn't exactly jive with him being listed in Europe from 1914 on. If anyone can get the dates correct this is one really interesting hapinstances of history that a famous (or infamous) evangelist, journalist, and painter were all togather at one event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.157.176 ( talk) 03:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that almost the entire article was a copyright violation. It didn't read like an encyclopedia article, and when I googled a phrase, this came out. It's an extract from the book Howard Zinn on History (2000), and I'm pretty sure it's copyrighted. It also turns out that the editor who added this information has also added other articles with dubious copyright violations, see The Masses and New Masses. - Hahnchen 18:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
The article claims that reed was the "only American buried in the Kremlin Wall in Red Square"; I was under the impression Bill Haywood's ashes (in part) were also burried there.
- Deus Homoni 09:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
why you accept that 'hahnchen' destroy in an act of barbarism the whole article, swinging the hammer of 'copyrigt law' ? He used only one phrase to be 'pretty sure' ! Let him demonstrate the copyr. violation of every phrase. Beside the wording is common knowledge not owned by single authors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.96.101 ( talk) 04:57, February 14, 2006
"Western historians examining Soviet archives after the end of the Cold War discovered that Reed, whose first-hand account of the Russian Revolution has been much-celebrated over the years, in fact was on the Bolshevik payroll, receiving more than $1 million (in 1918 dollars)."
Could I get a cite, a source, a reference, or any sign of validity on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.21.99 ( talk) 16:04, February 23, 2006
I think that Reed was on a payroll for soviet propaganda to Germany, not for his personal project Ten Days That Shook the World. He was working in Smolny with Albert Rhys Williams. Take a look to Louise Bryants Six Red Months or Williams' Trough the Russian Revolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.251.240.114 ( talk) 15:34, June 1, 2006
{ This assertion is ludicrous. Reed was from a prominent wealthy family. He had access to money without having to risk his life} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.110.56.206 ( talk) 05:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thats absurd, Reed even went to mexico and became friend with Pancho Villa, no money was payd for him there either. —Preceding
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201.215.173.92 (
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To be exact, the US dollar figure paid to Reed was 1.008 million. This figure is indeed from the Soviet archives, cited in a monthly accounting of funds paid to agents of the Bolsheviks. This was probably only one of several payments. The source for this information is Dmitri Volkogonov's book "Lenin: A New Biography". I cannot give a page number as I only have the audio book but it is easily found in the index under "Reed, John". An excellent book. 76.93.183.226 ( talk) 22:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the party itself was illegal. The Espionage Act of 1917 and Sedition Act of 1918 probably made some of their activities illegal (membership in an international party, basically), aside from their actual criminal acts. The Palmer Raids exclusively attacked members of leftist groups, but none of the groups, per se, were made illegal. The article for Workers Party of America says it was "underground", but never illegal. Is this nit-picking? 192.132.210.30 19:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
He is in the Left Communist Category, but no source or citation for that is given. Mdotley 22:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
-Here: "Even at the time there was a reaction against these blatant attempts to reconcile reactionary nationalism with proletarian internationalism. Lenin himself warned against ‘painting nationalism red’. Significantly, Roy criticised the Congress before it was held, and refused to attend what he dubbed as “Zinoviev’s Circus”, while John Reed, the American left-wing communist, also objected bitterly to its “demagogy and display”." (The Baku Congress and the Consequences of Opportunism, Communists and the National Question, Part 3: The Debate during the Revolutionary Wave and the Lessons for Today. http://en.internationalism.org/book/export/html/1595) A
Also "Reed “made no secret of his contempt and hatred for Zinoviev and Radek, whose authority in the Comintern was then pre-eminent” " (Theodore Draper’s Roots of American Communism in Eastman, LR p. 259 qtd. in Goldner, Loren. Max Eastman : One American Radical’s View of the “Bolshevization” of the American Revolutionary Movement and a Forgotten, and Unforgettable, Portrait of Trotsky. 2006. http://home.earthlink.net/~lrgoldner/eastman.html)
‘His feelings about the revolution were now ambiguous: on the one hand, he told Emma Goldman, who had recently arrived aboard The Buford and especially complained about the Cheka, that the enemies of the revolution deserved their fate. However, he suggested that she see Angelica Balabanoff, a critic of the current situation, indicating he wanted Goldman to hear the other side’ I don't think this suggests ambiguity in his feelings so much as a lack of dogmatism and willingness to hear all sides of the debate. And if it *does* suggest ambiguity, then the ambiguity it suggests is in his feelings about the Cheka, not about the revolution itself. 82.23.135.169 ( talk) 22:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Any relation to the powerful, but low-key, Reed family in Las Vegas, NV? Just wondering. Apple8800 ( talk) 20:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
John Reed's position in the Hasty Pudding group is written in Greek or Cyrillic. There is no explanation of the meaning of the word, nor any link to a source which might provide an explanation. Somebody please add one or both.
99.157.72.34 ( talk) 04:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
This still hasn't been explained. Does nobody read Talk until something has been changed? In the hope of generating some interest I've changed something
This content needs reliable sourcing that indicates the significance of the reference in order to be included. Nikkimaria ( talk) 11:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The mod's wiki page and the mod itself are referenced, and the information is objectively true. How is it not properly cited? Do you demand one to need a PHD in Hearts of Iron 4 to confirm it? Drassow ( talk) 15:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Drassow: At the moment you have myself and K.e.coffman opposing this addition, and only yourself supporting it. You're certainly welcome to start a RFC to seek wider input on the matter, but pending a new consensus it ought to stay out. Nikkimaria ( talk) 01:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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added information on attending morristown prep prior to harvard. Actually a segment of the film reds was to be filmed at Morristown beard, but the school did not want the negative attention assocaited with communism at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hl1978 ( talk • contribs) 21:18, September 27, 2005
According to a book on George Bellows I'm reading by M. Haverstock Reed and Bellows travelled from NYC to Philly in 1915 to cover one of Billy Sunday's revivals. That date doesn't exactly jive with him being listed in Europe from 1914 on. If anyone can get the dates correct this is one really interesting hapinstances of history that a famous (or infamous) evangelist, journalist, and painter were all togather at one event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.157.176 ( talk) 03:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that almost the entire article was a copyright violation. It didn't read like an encyclopedia article, and when I googled a phrase, this came out. It's an extract from the book Howard Zinn on History (2000), and I'm pretty sure it's copyrighted. It also turns out that the editor who added this information has also added other articles with dubious copyright violations, see The Masses and New Masses. - Hahnchen 18:56, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
The article claims that reed was the "only American buried in the Kremlin Wall in Red Square"; I was under the impression Bill Haywood's ashes (in part) were also burried there.
- Deus Homoni 09:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
why you accept that 'hahnchen' destroy in an act of barbarism the whole article, swinging the hammer of 'copyrigt law' ? He used only one phrase to be 'pretty sure' ! Let him demonstrate the copyr. violation of every phrase. Beside the wording is common knowledge not owned by single authors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.83.96.101 ( talk) 04:57, February 14, 2006
"Western historians examining Soviet archives after the end of the Cold War discovered that Reed, whose first-hand account of the Russian Revolution has been much-celebrated over the years, in fact was on the Bolshevik payroll, receiving more than $1 million (in 1918 dollars)."
Could I get a cite, a source, a reference, or any sign of validity on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.21.99 ( talk) 16:04, February 23, 2006
I think that Reed was on a payroll for soviet propaganda to Germany, not for his personal project Ten Days That Shook the World. He was working in Smolny with Albert Rhys Williams. Take a look to Louise Bryants Six Red Months or Williams' Trough the Russian Revolution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.251.240.114 ( talk) 15:34, June 1, 2006
{ This assertion is ludicrous. Reed was from a prominent wealthy family. He had access to money without having to risk his life} —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.110.56.206 ( talk) 05:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thats absurd, Reed even went to mexico and became friend with Pancho Villa, no money was payd for him there either. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
201.215.173.92 (
talk) 23:09, June 1, 2006
To be exact, the US dollar figure paid to Reed was 1.008 million. This figure is indeed from the Soviet archives, cited in a monthly accounting of funds paid to agents of the Bolsheviks. This was probably only one of several payments. The source for this information is Dmitri Volkogonov's book "Lenin: A New Biography". I cannot give a page number as I only have the audio book but it is easily found in the index under "Reed, John". An excellent book. 76.93.183.226 ( talk) 22:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think the party itself was illegal. The Espionage Act of 1917 and Sedition Act of 1918 probably made some of their activities illegal (membership in an international party, basically), aside from their actual criminal acts. The Palmer Raids exclusively attacked members of leftist groups, but none of the groups, per se, were made illegal. The article for Workers Party of America says it was "underground", but never illegal. Is this nit-picking? 192.132.210.30 19:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
He is in the Left Communist Category, but no source or citation for that is given. Mdotley 22:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
-Here: "Even at the time there was a reaction against these blatant attempts to reconcile reactionary nationalism with proletarian internationalism. Lenin himself warned against ‘painting nationalism red’. Significantly, Roy criticised the Congress before it was held, and refused to attend what he dubbed as “Zinoviev’s Circus”, while John Reed, the American left-wing communist, also objected bitterly to its “demagogy and display”." (The Baku Congress and the Consequences of Opportunism, Communists and the National Question, Part 3: The Debate during the Revolutionary Wave and the Lessons for Today. http://en.internationalism.org/book/export/html/1595) A
Also "Reed “made no secret of his contempt and hatred for Zinoviev and Radek, whose authority in the Comintern was then pre-eminent” " (Theodore Draper’s Roots of American Communism in Eastman, LR p. 259 qtd. in Goldner, Loren. Max Eastman : One American Radical’s View of the “Bolshevization” of the American Revolutionary Movement and a Forgotten, and Unforgettable, Portrait of Trotsky. 2006. http://home.earthlink.net/~lrgoldner/eastman.html)
‘His feelings about the revolution were now ambiguous: on the one hand, he told Emma Goldman, who had recently arrived aboard The Buford and especially complained about the Cheka, that the enemies of the revolution deserved their fate. However, he suggested that she see Angelica Balabanoff, a critic of the current situation, indicating he wanted Goldman to hear the other side’ I don't think this suggests ambiguity in his feelings so much as a lack of dogmatism and willingness to hear all sides of the debate. And if it *does* suggest ambiguity, then the ambiguity it suggests is in his feelings about the Cheka, not about the revolution itself. 82.23.135.169 ( talk) 22:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Any relation to the powerful, but low-key, Reed family in Las Vegas, NV? Just wondering. Apple8800 ( talk) 20:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
John Reed's position in the Hasty Pudding group is written in Greek or Cyrillic. There is no explanation of the meaning of the word, nor any link to a source which might provide an explanation. Somebody please add one or both.
99.157.72.34 ( talk) 04:52, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
This still hasn't been explained. Does nobody read Talk until something has been changed? In the hope of generating some interest I've changed something
This content needs reliable sourcing that indicates the significance of the reference in order to be included. Nikkimaria ( talk) 11:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The mod's wiki page and the mod itself are referenced, and the information is objectively true. How is it not properly cited? Do you demand one to need a PHD in Hearts of Iron 4 to confirm it? Drassow ( talk) 15:29, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Drassow: At the moment you have myself and K.e.coffman opposing this addition, and only yourself supporting it. You're certainly welcome to start a RFC to seek wider input on the matter, but pending a new consensus it ought to stay out. Nikkimaria ( talk) 01:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)