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In a way it doesn't come as a huge surprise that some TV presenter's screen personas were an act, although John Noakes wasn't necessarily the first person many people would have suspected this about. What exactly were his surprisingly bitter comments? PatGallacher 23:19, 2005 August 3 (UTC)
I've added a "Citation Needed" - JonRB ( talk) 09:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Re: "What exactly were his surprisingly bitter comments?" I can't recall the name of the publication, but I distinctly remember reading an interview with Noakes in a UK "teen mag" round about 1984 where he asserted that Biddy Baxter had forced him to 'stuff up' (fail at) his cookery efforts on the Blue Peter show so as to not 'put off' the kids who were watching. Noakes was much more competent in the kitchen than he appeared to be on the show, he claimed in the interview: and that pissed him off. Sounds like there was quite a history of discontent regarding Baxter's direction, for Noakes.
Wasn't Skip actually a son of Shep? 82.45.84.50 ( talk) 21:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
This addition, by an anon ip editor, says this:
I have now reverted four times as the Daily Mail is not considered a WP:RS. If no reliable source can be found, it will have to be removed for a fifth time. WP:3RR does not apply as a reliable source has not been supplied. Martinevans123 ( talk) 23:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
How certain are we that his parents names Frank Bottomley and Nellie Longbottom are correct? http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/15315656.Obituary___John_Noakes__popular_presenter_of_Blue_Peter_in_the_1960s_and_70s/ gives his parents names as Arthur and Sallie, as does http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174614/The-secret-family-rift-Blue-Peter-daredevil-John-Noakes-Painful-separation-parents-spurred-children-s-TV-star-risky-escapades-famous.html. There is a Sallie Bottomley marrying Alfred Noakes in 1947 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_marriages-and-divorces?lastname=noakes&spousefirstname=sallie&spouselastname=bottomley and there is an Arthur Bottomley marrying a Sallie Hampson in 1933 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_marriages-and-divorces?firstname=sallie&firstname_variants=true&spousefirstname=arthur&spouselastname=bottomley with a John W Bottomley being born in 1934 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_births-and-baptisms?firstname=john&firstname_variants=true&lastname=bottomley&mothersmaidenname=hampson. The "John W Bottomley" ties in with info in http://www.famechain.com/family-tree/33235/john-noakes
I wonder which chain of records, mine or the one already in Wikipedia, is the correct one.
Just found this https://www.geni.com/people/Arthur-Bottomley/6000000035224241927 which strengthens details that I have mentioned: Father's name, fact that we was a Freemason.
I totally agree with you that the wrong birth record and parents appears to have been used here. I have found his 1939 register entry which shows him living with Arthur and Sallie Bottomley, and clearly shows his and his mother's surname has been changed at a later point to Noakes. http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f3705%2f3705g%2f015&parentid=tna%2fr39%2f3705%2f3705g%2f015%2f30 149.254.51.123 ( talk) 21:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
149.254.51.123 ( talk) 22:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
and this page shows the marriage of Arthur W Bottomley and Sallie H Hampson in 1933 https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1933&end=1933&sq=3&eq=3&type=Marriages&vol=9a&pgno=1178&db=bmd_1494280030&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTQ5NjA5NjA1NDoyMjBmMzI4MTFmYzhlN2M4ZjJhMzgzZWQyZjQyYzkwODhmZWU3Yjlj&searchdef=type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4%26surname%3DBottomley%26db%3Dbmd_1494280030%26sq%3D1%26given%3DArthur%2520W&action=Find 149.254.51.123 ( talk) 22:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
I've just cited his ODNB entry, published 6 months ago, which clears this all up and confirms the above research. It also shows most of his obits are wrong about his birthplace; while Shelf was where his parents lived, he was actually born in a hospital in Halifax. Crisso ( talk) 19:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about the references on the front page to the findmypast website and in particular the presence of several (not just one) link to their sites sign-in page. This is a commercial website for those wishing to trace family history. It is certainly useful research tool, but the presence of a record on the site does not prove it's validity with resepect to individuals - living or dead. I respectfully suggest that these references be removed as they constitute the results of original private research and it seems to me are sources which are not deemed acceptable to Wikipedia. I have in the past been told that even a copy of a birth certificate is not acceptable evidence. As Mr Noakes is recently deceased I would have thought that there would be plenty of newspaper obituaries that could supply the relevant information. Thank you. John2o2o2o ( talk) 17:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
West Yorkshire did not exist prior to 1 April 1974, therefore the West Riding of Yorkshire is correct. Please do not change, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.159.128.106 ( talk) 22:28, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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In a way it doesn't come as a huge surprise that some TV presenter's screen personas were an act, although John Noakes wasn't necessarily the first person many people would have suspected this about. What exactly were his surprisingly bitter comments? PatGallacher 23:19, 2005 August 3 (UTC)
I've added a "Citation Needed" - JonRB ( talk) 09:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Re: "What exactly were his surprisingly bitter comments?" I can't recall the name of the publication, but I distinctly remember reading an interview with Noakes in a UK "teen mag" round about 1984 where he asserted that Biddy Baxter had forced him to 'stuff up' (fail at) his cookery efforts on the Blue Peter show so as to not 'put off' the kids who were watching. Noakes was much more competent in the kitchen than he appeared to be on the show, he claimed in the interview: and that pissed him off. Sounds like there was quite a history of discontent regarding Baxter's direction, for Noakes.
Wasn't Skip actually a son of Shep? 82.45.84.50 ( talk) 21:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
This addition, by an anon ip editor, says this:
I have now reverted four times as the Daily Mail is not considered a WP:RS. If no reliable source can be found, it will have to be removed for a fifth time. WP:3RR does not apply as a reliable source has not been supplied. Martinevans123 ( talk) 23:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
How certain are we that his parents names Frank Bottomley and Nellie Longbottom are correct? http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/15315656.Obituary___John_Noakes__popular_presenter_of_Blue_Peter_in_the_1960s_and_70s/ gives his parents names as Arthur and Sallie, as does http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174614/The-secret-family-rift-Blue-Peter-daredevil-John-Noakes-Painful-separation-parents-spurred-children-s-TV-star-risky-escapades-famous.html. There is a Sallie Bottomley marrying Alfred Noakes in 1947 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_marriages-and-divorces?lastname=noakes&spousefirstname=sallie&spouselastname=bottomley and there is an Arthur Bottomley marrying a Sallie Hampson in 1933 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_marriages-and-divorces?firstname=sallie&firstname_variants=true&spousefirstname=arthur&spouselastname=bottomley with a John W Bottomley being born in 1934 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_births-and-baptisms?firstname=john&firstname_variants=true&lastname=bottomley&mothersmaidenname=hampson. The "John W Bottomley" ties in with info in http://www.famechain.com/family-tree/33235/john-noakes
I wonder which chain of records, mine or the one already in Wikipedia, is the correct one.
Just found this https://www.geni.com/people/Arthur-Bottomley/6000000035224241927 which strengthens details that I have mentioned: Father's name, fact that we was a Freemason.
I totally agree with you that the wrong birth record and parents appears to have been used here. I have found his 1939 register entry which shows him living with Arthur and Sallie Bottomley, and clearly shows his and his mother's surname has been changed at a later point to Noakes. http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fr39%2f3705%2f3705g%2f015&parentid=tna%2fr39%2f3705%2f3705g%2f015%2f30 149.254.51.123 ( talk) 21:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
149.254.51.123 ( talk) 22:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
and this page shows the marriage of Arthur W Bottomley and Sallie H Hampson in 1933 https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1933&end=1933&sq=3&eq=3&type=Marriages&vol=9a&pgno=1178&db=bmd_1494280030&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTQ5NjA5NjA1NDoyMjBmMzI4MTFmYzhlN2M4ZjJhMzgzZWQyZjQyYzkwODhmZWU3Yjlj&searchdef=type%3DMarriages%26eq%3D4%26surname%3DBottomley%26db%3Dbmd_1494280030%26sq%3D1%26given%3DArthur%2520W&action=Find 149.254.51.123 ( talk) 22:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
I've just cited his ODNB entry, published 6 months ago, which clears this all up and confirms the above research. It also shows most of his obits are wrong about his birthplace; while Shelf was where his parents lived, he was actually born in a hospital in Halifax. Crisso ( talk) 19:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm a bit concerned about the references on the front page to the findmypast website and in particular the presence of several (not just one) link to their sites sign-in page. This is a commercial website for those wishing to trace family history. It is certainly useful research tool, but the presence of a record on the site does not prove it's validity with resepect to individuals - living or dead. I respectfully suggest that these references be removed as they constitute the results of original private research and it seems to me are sources which are not deemed acceptable to Wikipedia. I have in the past been told that even a copy of a birth certificate is not acceptable evidence. As Mr Noakes is recently deceased I would have thought that there would be plenty of newspaper obituaries that could supply the relevant information. Thank you. John2o2o2o ( talk) 17:52, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
West Yorkshire did not exist prior to 1 April 1974, therefore the West Riding of Yorkshire is correct. Please do not change, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.159.128.106 ( talk) 22:28, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
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