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-- The Anome 09:09, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Something I discovered today after seeing the Homicide: Life On The Street episode "Black and Blue" (2nd season) for the first time. Munch says the word "patronize" (twice, actually) and pronounces it "pātronize" when talking to Detective Bolander. Interestingly, however, in a first season episode of Law & Order: SVU entitled "Uncivilized", Munch corrects a teenage witness who pronounces the word the same way. Munch explains that the correct pronunciation of the word is "pătronize".
When I first saw the SVU episode, I assumed that Munch's revised pronunciation was correct, though I had never heard it pronounced that way. Curious if anyone knows if "pătronize" really is correct when using the word in that way (as in, "to speak in a patronizing manner"). I would assume that "pātronize" is still correct when talking about "patronizing a retail establishment", and it would seem that the 'wiktionary' pronunciation, as best I can tell (would be nice if there were a key to those IPA symbols) is "pātronize". Grammaticus Repairo 02:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
It says in the article that:
Does anyone know who the other two actors are who have done this many crossovers? I can't think of any. -- ScottyBoy900Q ∞ 22:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Was he not in a Lois & Clark: New Adv. of Superman, as a Metropolis (DC Comics, New York) Detective as well?
Man, the SVU version of Munch is a lifeless abomination. that show sucks Bwithh 04:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
The IMDb clearly does NOT date the X-Files episode as the first appearance. According to the IMDb, the X-Files episode aired in '97, but Belzer had been playing Munch since '93. Minaker ( talk) 10:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
The X Files episode is set in 1989. The Earlist time we see him, not the first, maybe that is what it meant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.14.185 ( talk) 00:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm going through Homicide: Life on the Street again, and I noticed that in the episode "Partners" (S03E11), he actually mentions "The X-Files" as a show, almost three years before he appears on the X-Files. -- Funkychinaman ( talk) 22:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC) "Right, it's 9 o'clock, people are still at home, watching 'The X-Files'."
Belzer first appeared as Munch in HOMICIDE starting in 1993. In 1996 he appeared in A VERY BRADY SEQUEL as a "LAPD Detective" (not as Munch), and in 1999 on MAD ABOUT YOU as "Detective Sharp". In 1994 he was "Inspector Henderson" on several episodes of LOIS & CLARK. According to IMDB, he was John Munch on HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREET (1993-99, many episodes); LAW & ORDER:SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT (1999-2016, many ep.); X-FILES (1997, 1 ep.); HOMICIDE:THE MOVIE (2000); LAW & ORDER (1996-2000, 4 ep.); THE BEAT (2000, 1 ep.); LAW & ORDER:TRIAL BY JURY (2005, 1 ep.); ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT (2005, 1 ep. as Munch, 1 ep. as himself); THE WIRE (2008, 1 ep.); 3d ROCK (2011, 1 ep. as Munch, 2013, 1 ep. as himself); UNBREAKABLE KIMMY SCHMIDT (2015, 1 ep.). I count ten different series. Sussmanbern ( talk) 05:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
http://www.munchology.com is either dead or not up yet, anyone know for sure?
Kirbyrocks 05:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw the SVU episode last night in which Munch confronts Amy Solwey (Marlee Matlin) about the possibility of her buying a black market kidney. She and Munch apparently had some fairly deep connection that I wasn't aware of; can someone elaborate on this for the article? Willbyr 18:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
It says that he was the third actor to appear in six different televison shows, but at the time he had been in seven. Is this a typo or does this need to be researched more?
Ok, maybe not really a plot hole, per se, but if Munch is Jewish (he is) then why would he have the name John? John is a Christian name. The Jewish equivalent would be Jon (Jonathan). Ideas? -- Cao Wei 06:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd also note that John the Baptist was a Jew, much like the Man he followed. 99.231.176.65 ( talk) 03:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know where to get a screencap of this? I'd love to see what his puppet looks like. -- 82.9.43.195 12:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, are we counting the Sesame Street episode where a puppet-likeness of him appears as another crossover so that we can say he appeared on 8 shows instead of 7?!? If so, I think we are on rather shaky ground...
Unless, that is, he actually provided the voice talent for this episode...anyone know? - Grammaticus Repairo 07:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC) According to Richard Belzer himself, Munch has appeared on 11 different programs, the most of any character. This was from TMZ on 9/5/2011. He didn't mention the specific prgrams, but I would assume that Belzer is a good authority.
Can ANYONE find a reliable source on who actually voices the puppet character? Preferabley from a PBS source? The only place I can find any mention of it is in an online blog/Q&A with Dick Wolf in which he states that Chris, Mariska and Belzer will provide voices in the sketch (which he himself approved). - Grammaticus Repairo 03:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
IMDB has him as providing the voice: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001938/ -- 81.102.216.3 15:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The parody of munch was not played by Belzer, but I think it deserves a mention in the article. - Logotu ( talk) 17:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
If he voiced the muppet it should be on here, if he didnt it should be mentioned but not included in the appearance total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.178.105 ( talk) 07:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Munch explains the meaning of "lazy" in episode 4138 of Sesame Street. He does not say his name but is sitting behind his Law and Order: SVU desk. Approximately 14 minutes into the episode.
I'm removing the phrase He is known as the universal cop for televison. Not only is this unsupported, but it's weasel-y. Known by whom? If it is intended to refer to his many appearances in other shows, that's covered in its own section. SixFourThree ( talk) 19:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
(Coincidentally, Belzer's father also killed himself.)
The thing that makes John Munch my favourite SVU charater is his love for civil liberties (He hates the patriot act, and consistently makes comments about due process and civil liberties). In the most recent episode there was even a civil liberties lawyer where they had a conversation about civil liberties.
I am not an expert enough to be the one to make a section on it, but it certainly is deserving of one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.201.84 ( talk) 02:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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Something I discovered today after seeing the Homicide: Life On The Street episode "Black and Blue" (2nd season) for the first time. Munch says the word "patronize" (twice, actually) and pronounces it "pātronize" when talking to Detective Bolander. Interestingly, however, in a first season episode of Law & Order: SVU entitled "Uncivilized", Munch corrects a teenage witness who pronounces the word the same way. Munch explains that the correct pronunciation of the word is "pătronize".
When I first saw the SVU episode, I assumed that Munch's revised pronunciation was correct, though I had never heard it pronounced that way. Curious if anyone knows if "pătronize" really is correct when using the word in that way (as in, "to speak in a patronizing manner"). I would assume that "pātronize" is still correct when talking about "patronizing a retail establishment", and it would seem that the 'wiktionary' pronunciation, as best I can tell (would be nice if there were a key to those IPA symbols) is "pātronize". Grammaticus Repairo 02:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
It says in the article that:
Does anyone know who the other two actors are who have done this many crossovers? I can't think of any. -- ScottyBoy900Q ∞ 22:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Was he not in a Lois & Clark: New Adv. of Superman, as a Metropolis (DC Comics, New York) Detective as well?
Man, the SVU version of Munch is a lifeless abomination. that show sucks Bwithh 04:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
The IMDb clearly does NOT date the X-Files episode as the first appearance. According to the IMDb, the X-Files episode aired in '97, but Belzer had been playing Munch since '93. Minaker ( talk) 10:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
The X Files episode is set in 1989. The Earlist time we see him, not the first, maybe that is what it meant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.14.185 ( talk) 00:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm going through Homicide: Life on the Street again, and I noticed that in the episode "Partners" (S03E11), he actually mentions "The X-Files" as a show, almost three years before he appears on the X-Files. -- Funkychinaman ( talk) 22:20, 4 April 2012 (UTC) "Right, it's 9 o'clock, people are still at home, watching 'The X-Files'."
Belzer first appeared as Munch in HOMICIDE starting in 1993. In 1996 he appeared in A VERY BRADY SEQUEL as a "LAPD Detective" (not as Munch), and in 1999 on MAD ABOUT YOU as "Detective Sharp". In 1994 he was "Inspector Henderson" on several episodes of LOIS & CLARK. According to IMDB, he was John Munch on HOMICIDE: LIFE ON THE STREET (1993-99, many episodes); LAW & ORDER:SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT (1999-2016, many ep.); X-FILES (1997, 1 ep.); HOMICIDE:THE MOVIE (2000); LAW & ORDER (1996-2000, 4 ep.); THE BEAT (2000, 1 ep.); LAW & ORDER:TRIAL BY JURY (2005, 1 ep.); ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT (2005, 1 ep. as Munch, 1 ep. as himself); THE WIRE (2008, 1 ep.); 3d ROCK (2011, 1 ep. as Munch, 2013, 1 ep. as himself); UNBREAKABLE KIMMY SCHMIDT (2015, 1 ep.). I count ten different series. Sussmanbern ( talk) 05:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
http://www.munchology.com is either dead or not up yet, anyone know for sure?
Kirbyrocks 05:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw the SVU episode last night in which Munch confronts Amy Solwey (Marlee Matlin) about the possibility of her buying a black market kidney. She and Munch apparently had some fairly deep connection that I wasn't aware of; can someone elaborate on this for the article? Willbyr 18:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
It says that he was the third actor to appear in six different televison shows, but at the time he had been in seven. Is this a typo or does this need to be researched more?
Ok, maybe not really a plot hole, per se, but if Munch is Jewish (he is) then why would he have the name John? John is a Christian name. The Jewish equivalent would be Jon (Jonathan). Ideas? -- Cao Wei 06:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd also note that John the Baptist was a Jew, much like the Man he followed. 99.231.176.65 ( talk) 03:41, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Anyone know where to get a screencap of this? I'd love to see what his puppet looks like. -- 82.9.43.195 12:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, are we counting the Sesame Street episode where a puppet-likeness of him appears as another crossover so that we can say he appeared on 8 shows instead of 7?!? If so, I think we are on rather shaky ground...
Unless, that is, he actually provided the voice talent for this episode...anyone know? - Grammaticus Repairo 07:01, 5 November 2006 (UTC) According to Richard Belzer himself, Munch has appeared on 11 different programs, the most of any character. This was from TMZ on 9/5/2011. He didn't mention the specific prgrams, but I would assume that Belzer is a good authority.
Can ANYONE find a reliable source on who actually voices the puppet character? Preferabley from a PBS source? The only place I can find any mention of it is in an online blog/Q&A with Dick Wolf in which he states that Chris, Mariska and Belzer will provide voices in the sketch (which he himself approved). - Grammaticus Repairo 03:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
IMDB has him as providing the voice: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001938/ -- 81.102.216.3 15:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
The parody of munch was not played by Belzer, but I think it deserves a mention in the article. - Logotu ( talk) 17:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
If he voiced the muppet it should be on here, if he didnt it should be mentioned but not included in the appearance total. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.178.105 ( talk) 07:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Munch explains the meaning of "lazy" in episode 4138 of Sesame Street. He does not say his name but is sitting behind his Law and Order: SVU desk. Approximately 14 minutes into the episode.
I'm removing the phrase He is known as the universal cop for televison. Not only is this unsupported, but it's weasel-y. Known by whom? If it is intended to refer to his many appearances in other shows, that's covered in its own section. SixFourThree ( talk) 19:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
(Coincidentally, Belzer's father also killed himself.)
The thing that makes John Munch my favourite SVU charater is his love for civil liberties (He hates the patriot act, and consistently makes comments about due process and civil liberties). In the most recent episode there was even a civil liberties lawyer where they had a conversation about civil liberties.
I am not an expert enough to be the one to make a section on it, but it certainly is deserving of one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.201.84 ( talk) 02:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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