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No mention of what he died of? Seems odd not to include that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.24.210 ( talk) 07:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
It would flesh the article out to have just a little more on the wife. ThePeerage.com cannot count as a relaible source, since it cites Wikipedia, but it does provide good leads. It says here, citing the 1998 Complete Peerage, that she was the daughter of Douglas H. Fisher of Marbella, Malaga, Spain. An obit of John in the Spanish newspaper El Mundo says she was vegetarian and a non-drinker, and her father was a "constructor afincado" (builder? property developer?). It seems an unlikely pairing. Are there any reliable English sources for these? The Independent obituary by Jessica Berens, which I've just found, says "Francesca Fisher, to whom the marquess was briefly married, was driven halfway over a cliff in the Bentley and left hanging there like the last scene of The Italian Job". (NB it doesn't say who was at the wheel, but gives it as one in a list of examples of life-threatening japes that happened to his entourage.) Although that should be a reputable source, it is mentioned in passing without quotation or dates. A sentence or two about her, how they met, would add to the article. One can assume he was under pressure (internal or external) to marry. Why did he choose her, and why did she accept him? BrainyBabe ( talk) 10:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I have just reverted the deletion of this sentence:
The sentence had been removed by User:Carr1, with the edit summary that it was not accurate. The core content policy of verifiability states that:
If a reliable source can be found to state that the families are feuding, by all means include that, subject to WP:BLP (which obviously doens't apply to the subject of this article, but may to other family members). BrainyBabe ( talk) 06:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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I have scratched my head at what to do with the names in this article. First-hand accounts in the sources from friends and colleagues seem to use "John", but that isn't consistent with our general guidelines on writing for nobility. I have gone with "John" for early life (particularly since "Hervey" can be confused with any number of family members, especially his father), then "the Earl" post 1960 and "the Marquess" post 1985, though occasionally still using "John" where this can still cause confusion. I can't think of a better way of doing this - can anyone else? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:10, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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Pleased to be working with you, Ritchie333. This looks good on my intial check and I found the subject interesting as I never heard of him and know very little about lesser nobles. I intend to have this review done by the end of the week with comments about anything that needs addressed so you can fix, if applicable. Chris Troutman ( talk) 04:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I've worked on this article on and off for ten years; I'm glad it's got to GA. I note that the reviewer can't see the ODNB but assumes good faith. Just for the record, and because I do find the 7th marquess utterly compelling, I'll copy a couple of snippets from there. It begins:
Of all the hundreds of ODNB biographies I've read, I cannot think of another that uses such a pungent term for a one-word life description. Where other subjects would have "sculptor" or "politician" or "saloniere", the biographer can find no positive activity to ascribe to him. The bio only has two paragraphs. The second sentence of the second one turns "speak no ill of the dead" on its head:
And the biographer concludes with a cautionary note to us:
That's us told, then. Carbon Caryatid ( talk) 19:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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No mention of what he died of? Seems odd not to include that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.24.210 ( talk) 07:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
It would flesh the article out to have just a little more on the wife. ThePeerage.com cannot count as a relaible source, since it cites Wikipedia, but it does provide good leads. It says here, citing the 1998 Complete Peerage, that she was the daughter of Douglas H. Fisher of Marbella, Malaga, Spain. An obit of John in the Spanish newspaper El Mundo says she was vegetarian and a non-drinker, and her father was a "constructor afincado" (builder? property developer?). It seems an unlikely pairing. Are there any reliable English sources for these? The Independent obituary by Jessica Berens, which I've just found, says "Francesca Fisher, to whom the marquess was briefly married, was driven halfway over a cliff in the Bentley and left hanging there like the last scene of The Italian Job". (NB it doesn't say who was at the wheel, but gives it as one in a list of examples of life-threatening japes that happened to his entourage.) Although that should be a reputable source, it is mentioned in passing without quotation or dates. A sentence or two about her, how they met, would add to the article. One can assume he was under pressure (internal or external) to marry. Why did he choose her, and why did she accept him? BrainyBabe ( talk) 10:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I have just reverted the deletion of this sentence:
The sentence had been removed by User:Carr1, with the edit summary that it was not accurate. The core content policy of verifiability states that:
If a reliable source can be found to state that the families are feuding, by all means include that, subject to WP:BLP (which obviously doens't apply to the subject of this article, but may to other family members). BrainyBabe ( talk) 06:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
References
I have scratched my head at what to do with the names in this article. First-hand accounts in the sources from friends and colleagues seem to use "John", but that isn't consistent with our general guidelines on writing for nobility. I have gone with "John" for early life (particularly since "Hervey" can be confused with any number of family members, especially his father), then "the Earl" post 1960 and "the Marquess" post 1985, though occasionally still using "John" where this can still cause confusion. I can't think of a better way of doing this - can anyone else? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:10, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Chris troutman ( talk · contribs) 04:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Pleased to be working with you, Ritchie333. This looks good on my intial check and I found the subject interesting as I never heard of him and know very little about lesser nobles. I intend to have this review done by the end of the week with comments about anything that needs addressed so you can fix, if applicable. Chris Troutman ( talk) 04:02, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I've worked on this article on and off for ten years; I'm glad it's got to GA. I note that the reviewer can't see the ODNB but assumes good faith. Just for the record, and because I do find the 7th marquess utterly compelling, I'll copy a couple of snippets from there. It begins:
Of all the hundreds of ODNB biographies I've read, I cannot think of another that uses such a pungent term for a one-word life description. Where other subjects would have "sculptor" or "politician" or "saloniere", the biographer can find no positive activity to ascribe to him. The bio only has two paragraphs. The second sentence of the second one turns "speak no ill of the dead" on its head:
And the biographer concludes with a cautionary note to us:
That's us told, then. Carbon Caryatid ( talk) 19:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)