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I don't think there is enough in this article about the relationship of John Hay with President Lincoln, and I have tried to add some.
Andrew Szanton 5/06
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This line is completely inappropriate, and I'm removing it:
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I removed "politician" from the article, seeing little basis for that term, and added "diplomat," seeing considerable basis for that one. Objections? AllanJ 17:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this merely a political biography? The man had a wife and children, too. NickJones 05:36 September 28 2006
I have edited incorrect information about the Hay/Adams house in Washington, D.C. The original houses designed by H.H. Richardson are no longer standing. The building that occupies the site is named the Hay Adams hotel in their honor, but was built after both John Hay and Henry Adams were dead.
In 1904 Hay gave to engraver Haydon Jones a silver match case and the mohogany lap desk which Lincon used to write the hand written part of the gettysburg adress.The typed draft was left in washington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.27.218 ( talk) 04:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Apparently Lincoln had a premonition of his death and mentioned it to Hay, who later wrote it about it in a book. Robert Todd Lincoln had problem with it, he thought it was too personal. In 1881 James Garfield had those premonitions and called upon Robert Todd Lincoln to talk about it, and Robert Todd Lincoln was there at the 6th St. Train Station in DC when Garfield was assassinated. No mention of any of this in the article? -- 98.232.180.37 ( talk) 09:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
John Hay instructed American minister to Turkey, Oscar Straus (politician) to ask Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II for help with the Moro Muslims. The Sultan then sent a letter to the Moros of the Sulu Sultanate telling them not to resist American takeover and cooperate with the Americans at the start of the Moro Rebellion in 1898. The Sulu Moros complied with the order.
http://books.google.com/books?id=vDzjkrTDKjYC&pg=PA405#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=vDzjkrTDKjYC&pg=PA406&dq=Abdulhamid+issued+decree+people+territory+support+America+Muslim+accepted&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2GYZU6m3IonU0QHHmoCQAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Abdulhamid%20issued%20decree%20people%20territory%20support%20America%20Muslim%20accepted&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 20:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Any objection to swapping the lead image for this higher resolution one? It's not as tightly cropped, although, if we must, we could do so. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 01:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
At this point, I think we should go back to the previous image until a better one can be found. The new one doesn't work for reasons stated by two contributors. This isn't to say the previous one is perfect, of course, but it was longstanding and served the purpose good enough. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Re: the statement "He heard War Secretary Edwin Stanton's declaration, "Now he belongs to the ages."", does the reference corroborate that Hay heard it, or does Hay claim to have heard it? That would seem to make a difference in how it's worded. There's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism if it is properly placed. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The fact box at the top of the page shows Hay serving as Secretary of State until July 4, 1909. The article states he died in 1905. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.120.209.2 ( talk) 17:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
In regards to the revert of my edit removing the sentence "She was a Southern sympathizer who apparently destroyed the original.", such a definite statement shouldn't be made when both facts are contentious and debated.
For instance, the earliest mention of Mrs Bixby destroying the letter comes from grandson William A Bixby who in the Aug. 9, 1925 New York Times article here (paywalled) states he doesn't believe the letter survived but also that he has no information on it's actual fate. By the time William's son, Arthur wrote to the New York Sun in 1949 the story had morphed into her destroying the letter.
This is a biography of John Hay and we're discussing part of one paragraph which describes Hay's possible authorship of the Bixby Letter. It would distract too much from the flow of the writing if we were too have digressions on whether or not she was a Copperhead or write a nuanced statement about her maybe destroying the letter. It's also not at all relevant to whether or not Hay was the author of the letter. There's a link to the Bixby Letter article if a reader want to learn more about it's history. Libertybison ( talk) 00:40, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
The text from the source is "The crisis came to a head at the end of June 1844, when anti-Mormon militias from Warsaw and nearby Carthage converged on the Carthage jail ... the vigilantes forced their way into the jail ... Even so, Dr. Hay did join the Warsaw militia as its surgeon. It was only after the governor of Illinois ordered the regiment disbanded that he and several dozen others decided to turn back."". Just for everyone's info.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 01:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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I don't think there is enough in this article about the relationship of John Hay with President Lincoln, and I have tried to add some.
Andrew Szanton 5/06
--Editorial Content--
This line is completely inappropriate, and I'm removing it:
This is not cited. It's the opinion of this author who has no intimate knowledge of the subject.
I removed "politician" from the article, seeing little basis for that term, and added "diplomat," seeing considerable basis for that one. Objections? AllanJ 17:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this merely a political biography? The man had a wife and children, too. NickJones 05:36 September 28 2006
I have edited incorrect information about the Hay/Adams house in Washington, D.C. The original houses designed by H.H. Richardson are no longer standing. The building that occupies the site is named the Hay Adams hotel in their honor, but was built after both John Hay and Henry Adams were dead.
In 1904 Hay gave to engraver Haydon Jones a silver match case and the mohogany lap desk which Lincon used to write the hand written part of the gettysburg adress.The typed draft was left in washington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.27.218 ( talk) 04:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Apparently Lincoln had a premonition of his death and mentioned it to Hay, who later wrote it about it in a book. Robert Todd Lincoln had problem with it, he thought it was too personal. In 1881 James Garfield had those premonitions and called upon Robert Todd Lincoln to talk about it, and Robert Todd Lincoln was there at the 6th St. Train Station in DC when Garfield was assassinated. No mention of any of this in the article? -- 98.232.180.37 ( talk) 09:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
John Hay instructed American minister to Turkey, Oscar Straus (politician) to ask Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II for help with the Moro Muslims. The Sultan then sent a letter to the Moros of the Sulu Sultanate telling them not to resist American takeover and cooperate with the Americans at the start of the Moro Rebellion in 1898. The Sulu Moros complied with the order.
http://books.google.com/books?id=vDzjkrTDKjYC&pg=PA405#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=vDzjkrTDKjYC&pg=PA406&dq=Abdulhamid+issued+decree+people+territory+support+America+Muslim+accepted&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2GYZU6m3IonU0QHHmoCQAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Abdulhamid%20issued%20decree%20people%20territory%20support%20America%20Muslim%20accepted&f=false
Rajmaan ( talk) 20:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Any objection to swapping the lead image for this higher resolution one? It's not as tightly cropped, although, if we must, we could do so. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 01:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
At this point, I think we should go back to the previous image until a better one can be found. The new one doesn't work for reasons stated by two contributors. This isn't to say the previous one is perfect, of course, but it was longstanding and served the purpose good enough. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:11, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Re: the statement "He heard War Secretary Edwin Stanton's declaration, "Now he belongs to the ages."", does the reference corroborate that Hay heard it, or does Hay claim to have heard it? That would seem to make a difference in how it's worded. There's nothing wrong with healthy skepticism if it is properly placed. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 19:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
The fact box at the top of the page shows Hay serving as Secretary of State until July 4, 1909. The article states he died in 1905. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.120.209.2 ( talk) 17:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
In regards to the revert of my edit removing the sentence "She was a Southern sympathizer who apparently destroyed the original.", such a definite statement shouldn't be made when both facts are contentious and debated.
For instance, the earliest mention of Mrs Bixby destroying the letter comes from grandson William A Bixby who in the Aug. 9, 1925 New York Times article here (paywalled) states he doesn't believe the letter survived but also that he has no information on it's actual fate. By the time William's son, Arthur wrote to the New York Sun in 1949 the story had morphed into her destroying the letter.
This is a biography of John Hay and we're discussing part of one paragraph which describes Hay's possible authorship of the Bixby Letter. It would distract too much from the flow of the writing if we were too have digressions on whether or not she was a Copperhead or write a nuanced statement about her maybe destroying the letter. It's also not at all relevant to whether or not Hay was the author of the letter. There's a link to the Bixby Letter article if a reader want to learn more about it's history. Libertybison ( talk) 00:40, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
The text from the source is "The crisis came to a head at the end of June 1844, when anti-Mormon militias from Warsaw and nearby Carthage converged on the Carthage jail ... the vigilantes forced their way into the jail ... Even so, Dr. Hay did join the Warsaw militia as its surgeon. It was only after the governor of Illinois ordered the regiment disbanded that he and several dozen others decided to turn back."". Just for everyone's info.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 01:15, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:C.M. Gilbert. - John Hay, c. 1904.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on October 8, 2016. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2016-10-08. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. — Chris Woodrich ( talk) 09:47, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
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I have just modified one external link on John Hay. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
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