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I changed the first appearance from Saga of The Swamp Thing #25 to #37. I own copies of these issues of Swamp Thing. In issue #25 a manifestion of the devil calling himself Jason Blood appears. He resembles John Constantine a bit but is not him. His actual first appearance is in Swamp Thing #37. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.143.236.41 ( talk) 20:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
under film adaptation, the article points to constantine having superpowers in the movie. this seems inaccurate as he only had a unique grasp of the spirit realm to achieve his goals.
Constantine is bisexual; restored LGBT category link. -- Mister Six 22:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
He was possessed on neither of the occasions that have featured in the series, and since he referred to himself having boyfriends in the past, one can assume he was not possessed then, either. But I suspect you knew that.-- Just1Page 00:40, 06 April 2006 (UTC)
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I don't know about that link to the bisexual page...it doesn't really have much on it aside from the 'under construction' sign. Maybe we should put it back once the page is done, but until that time it doesn't really have much of anything to offer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.4.225 ( talk • contribs) 02:56, 2 May 2006 |
Since Constantine is a fictional and complex character, why not- "In issue 51 of Hellblazer ("Counting to Ten"), John reveals that he's had "the occasional boyfriend", whilst in issues 170-174 ("Ashes and Dust in the City of Angels" 1-5), he has a homosexual relationship with billionaire Stanley Manor, albeit as part of an elaborate revenge scheme." (Lifted from "LGBT comic book characters")? not alot of words and objective. My first post- if anyone agrees and edits it, thanks in advance.--Philipgraves7 03:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The Gay League page which pops up in the External Links section is under construction. Consequently, I've removed the link. This is not an attempt to rewrite the character's sexual orientation; the content of the linked page is irrelevant (or it would be, if it had any). I just don't think it's appropriate to include unfinished web pages in the External Links section. If the page is ever completed, I'll happily restore the link myself. In the meantime, anyone thinking of restoring the link is encouraged to actually visit the page and see for themselves. Jack Garfield 07:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with the IP guy, but you all are not bringing any more taste or intelligence to this discussion by flinging the words "homophobe", "bias" and "troll" in all directions. And he did have a point at the start of the dicussion when he said he would go to hell according to Christianity, which is one of the few religions that feature hell, the others of which also take the same stance on homosexuality as Christianity. I used to think Wikipedia was a source of intelligent conversation, not a website where people go to argue with eachother. -- 65.87.242.28 ( talk) 00:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Whilst some of the comments in this section are pretty shocking, but I don't think it's time for this conversation to be drawn to a close: we've resolved the issue of whether JC is bisexual and any other discussion isn't suitable for a wiki talk page. I'm tempted to delete this section, but I'm not sure on the etiquette of that, so in the mean time can anybody reading this please not post rebuttals to ignorant comments made some two years ago? JonStrines ( talk) 09:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I cut out a chunk of relatives. I'm sorry, but most of the people weren't relative. I kept most of the close relations, sans the demonspawn who were only in one arc. Nergal is not a relative. Yes, John knocked up his daughter, but that does not make him notable. There were others, but I may elminate Pyotr as well, since he was only in The Trench Coat Brigade. Joanna should stay, as she's been the focus of a miniseries, and appeared a few times in the Sandman.-- Toffile 20:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The Zippo Lighter John Constantine uses is it the some one. In all the coimcs ?-- Brown Shoes22 06:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I added a section for John's appearances in comics other than Hellblazer and The Swamp Thing, which wouldn't really fit in any existing sections, and wrote up some info on his Sandman appearance for it. It might be a bit excessive in terms of information for a one-issue appearance--if you think so, feel free to edit it down. I'll probably write up a bit on his role in The Books of Magic later.- Polo te t 04:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
don't see him behind metamorpho... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.119.57 ( talk) 06:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I Dont understand how John Constantine's Alter Ego is John Constantine. Typo?
"With typical recklessness, John convinced the group and several occultist friends to try destroying the creature by summoning a demon of their own. Unfortunately, this demon was not under their control and, besides destroying the child's monster, it tormented John's friends and then took Astra herself to Hell - seemingly forever (she was rescued much later in Hellblazer #96). The incident left the group scattered and psychologically scarred."
Astra wasn't mentioned earlier as far as I saw. Who was she? -- 71.118.168.253 18:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I just finished reading Hellblazer up to issue 216 (first issue of empathy is the enemy for anyone keeping track) and I was wondering what everyone thought of a section (possibly in the form of a list) detailing Constantine's romantic relationships. Several of them, Kit, Stanley Manor and Elle the succubus (ok that's more sexual than romantic but you get my drift) have been very important parts of certain plot arcs. Plus the fact that John constantly loses (one way or another) the people he cares most about is a central feature of the series. What's everyone think? RecentlyAnon 21:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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There's been a paragraph added and removed in recent days regarding Lucifer's retirement, Azazel's imprisonment by dream, and what exactly John traded his soul to the three Lords of Hell for.
To explain: 1. Constantine did not trade his soul to Lucifer. The First of the Fallen is Satan/The Accuser/The First Being Created by God. He is not Lucifer in any way shape or form and the Constantine series makes it very clear that he was in Hell before Lucifer fell. So Lucifer's retirement does not affect the status of John's deal at all.
2. John traded his soul to the Lords of Hell because he's famous down there. They each wanted the prestige of having John Constantine in hell.
Also, I believe, the First realized he wasn't a fallen angel and was much more powerful than the other two Lords. He revoked John and he's deal but has (thus far) chosen not to kill Constantine.
Thanks so much for editing.
RecentlyAnon ( talk) 02:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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Edit war is starting up over this again: can somebody do a scan of the section of issue 51 where it mentions John's previous boyfriends? Or do we have a consensus of requesting semi-protection for the page? JonStrines ( talk) 09:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on whether the Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV Series) character Giles was influenced by the comics character John Constantine, or if Giles influenced that character? There are just too many little coincidences to someone like me. They're both Englishmen with reasonable skill in magic (Constantine is much more powerful) but when looking at character histories they have a lot of similarities. Giles was shown to have played guitar in his youth and Constantine was in various punk bands. And more notably both were involved in a botched summoning of a demon in their youth that got friend(s) killed and later came to haunt them in a present day storyline. I'm more inclined to believe that Whedon might have used a little bit of that background when creating his own character but some sort of documentation would be nice. 99.240.146.252 ( talk) 01:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, that's about as tenuous a case of literary influence as I've ever seen offered. GeorgeTSLC ( talk) 19:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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I changed the first appearance from Saga of The Swamp Thing #25 to #37. I own copies of these issues of Swamp Thing. In issue #25 a manifestion of the devil calling himself Jason Blood appears. He resembles John Constantine a bit but is not him. His actual first appearance is in Swamp Thing #37. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.143.236.41 ( talk) 20:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
under film adaptation, the article points to constantine having superpowers in the movie. this seems inaccurate as he only had a unique grasp of the spirit realm to achieve his goals.
Constantine is bisexual; restored LGBT category link. -- Mister Six 22:02, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
He was possessed on neither of the occasions that have featured in the series, and since he referred to himself having boyfriends in the past, one can assume he was not possessed then, either. But I suspect you knew that.-- Just1Page 00:40, 06 April 2006 (UTC)
Off-topic argument about the morality of homosexuality hidden; WP:FORUM — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC) |
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I don't know about that link to the bisexual page...it doesn't really have much on it aside from the 'under construction' sign. Maybe we should put it back once the page is done, but until that time it doesn't really have much of anything to offer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.78.4.225 ( talk • contribs) 02:56, 2 May 2006 |
Since Constantine is a fictional and complex character, why not- "In issue 51 of Hellblazer ("Counting to Ten"), John reveals that he's had "the occasional boyfriend", whilst in issues 170-174 ("Ashes and Dust in the City of Angels" 1-5), he has a homosexual relationship with billionaire Stanley Manor, albeit as part of an elaborate revenge scheme." (Lifted from "LGBT comic book characters")? not alot of words and objective. My first post- if anyone agrees and edits it, thanks in advance.--Philipgraves7 03:11, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The Gay League page which pops up in the External Links section is under construction. Consequently, I've removed the link. This is not an attempt to rewrite the character's sexual orientation; the content of the linked page is irrelevant (or it would be, if it had any). I just don't think it's appropriate to include unfinished web pages in the External Links section. If the page is ever completed, I'll happily restore the link myself. In the meantime, anyone thinking of restoring the link is encouraged to actually visit the page and see for themselves. Jack Garfield 07:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with the IP guy, but you all are not bringing any more taste or intelligence to this discussion by flinging the words "homophobe", "bias" and "troll" in all directions. And he did have a point at the start of the dicussion when he said he would go to hell according to Christianity, which is one of the few religions that feature hell, the others of which also take the same stance on homosexuality as Christianity. I used to think Wikipedia was a source of intelligent conversation, not a website where people go to argue with eachother. -- 65.87.242.28 ( talk) 00:20, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Whilst some of the comments in this section are pretty shocking, but I don't think it's time for this conversation to be drawn to a close: we've resolved the issue of whether JC is bisexual and any other discussion isn't suitable for a wiki talk page. I'm tempted to delete this section, but I'm not sure on the etiquette of that, so in the mean time can anybody reading this please not post rebuttals to ignorant comments made some two years ago? JonStrines ( talk) 09:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I cut out a chunk of relatives. I'm sorry, but most of the people weren't relative. I kept most of the close relations, sans the demonspawn who were only in one arc. Nergal is not a relative. Yes, John knocked up his daughter, but that does not make him notable. There were others, but I may elminate Pyotr as well, since he was only in The Trench Coat Brigade. Joanna should stay, as she's been the focus of a miniseries, and appeared a few times in the Sandman.-- Toffile 20:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The Zippo Lighter John Constantine uses is it the some one. In all the coimcs ?-- Brown Shoes22 06:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I added a section for John's appearances in comics other than Hellblazer and The Swamp Thing, which wouldn't really fit in any existing sections, and wrote up some info on his Sandman appearance for it. It might be a bit excessive in terms of information for a one-issue appearance--if you think so, feel free to edit it down. I'll probably write up a bit on his role in The Books of Magic later.- Polo te t 04:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
don't see him behind metamorpho... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.119.57 ( talk) 06:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
I Dont understand how John Constantine's Alter Ego is John Constantine. Typo?
"With typical recklessness, John convinced the group and several occultist friends to try destroying the creature by summoning a demon of their own. Unfortunately, this demon was not under their control and, besides destroying the child's monster, it tormented John's friends and then took Astra herself to Hell - seemingly forever (she was rescued much later in Hellblazer #96). The incident left the group scattered and psychologically scarred."
Astra wasn't mentioned earlier as far as I saw. Who was she? -- 71.118.168.253 18:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I just finished reading Hellblazer up to issue 216 (first issue of empathy is the enemy for anyone keeping track) and I was wondering what everyone thought of a section (possibly in the form of a list) detailing Constantine's romantic relationships. Several of them, Kit, Stanley Manor and Elle the succubus (ok that's more sexual than romantic but you get my drift) have been very important parts of certain plot arcs. Plus the fact that John constantly loses (one way or another) the people he cares most about is a central feature of the series. What's everyone think? RecentlyAnon 21:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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There's been a paragraph added and removed in recent days regarding Lucifer's retirement, Azazel's imprisonment by dream, and what exactly John traded his soul to the three Lords of Hell for.
To explain: 1. Constantine did not trade his soul to Lucifer. The First of the Fallen is Satan/The Accuser/The First Being Created by God. He is not Lucifer in any way shape or form and the Constantine series makes it very clear that he was in Hell before Lucifer fell. So Lucifer's retirement does not affect the status of John's deal at all.
2. John traded his soul to the Lords of Hell because he's famous down there. They each wanted the prestige of having John Constantine in hell.
Also, I believe, the First realized he wasn't a fallen angel and was much more powerful than the other two Lords. He revoked John and he's deal but has (thus far) chosen not to kill Constantine.
Thanks so much for editing.
RecentlyAnon ( talk) 02:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 16:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Edit war is starting up over this again: can somebody do a scan of the section of issue 51 where it mentions John's previous boyfriends? Or do we have a consensus of requesting semi-protection for the page? JonStrines ( talk) 09:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on whether the Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV Series) character Giles was influenced by the comics character John Constantine, or if Giles influenced that character? There are just too many little coincidences to someone like me. They're both Englishmen with reasonable skill in magic (Constantine is much more powerful) but when looking at character histories they have a lot of similarities. Giles was shown to have played guitar in his youth and Constantine was in various punk bands. And more notably both were involved in a botched summoning of a demon in their youth that got friend(s) killed and later came to haunt them in a present day storyline. I'm more inclined to believe that Whedon might have used a little bit of that background when creating his own character but some sort of documentation would be nice. 99.240.146.252 ( talk) 01:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Honestly, that's about as tenuous a case of literary influence as I've ever seen offered. GeorgeTSLC ( talk) 19:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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