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We need to nail down his birthdate. A previous version said he was born in 1965. Which is it? Is there a source somewhere with this info? If not, I vote we just leave off his birthdate until we can verify it. Anyone else? — Frecklefoot 13:42 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
But it's entirely possible that he skipped a grade or two (or even *gasp* flunked a few). We need some source that gives an exact date. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:22, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
That A talented programmer with an entrepreneurial spirit comes from a pcgameworld.com article ( [5]). Can we come up with something a little less plagiaristic? Rick K 21:12, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)
How much was the rocket prototype worth? 40,000 or 35.000$?-FredrikM
Made some substatial edits to get this page out of cleanup - removed quotes and sent them to Wikiquote, removed POV throughout, removed trivia, cleaned up some of the text. Nothing here was terrible, but that which I removed was unencyclopedic or POV. Anyone with problems or offended? Feel free to revert if I've stepped on anyone's toes too much, just let me know on my talk page. Hope this can now be out of cleanup. Niceguyjoey 01:47, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
"Many believe that he was the first to have used 0x5f3759df as the initial guess for finding the inverse square root of a number using Newton's method."... This is interesting, but has no explanation of why it is important for those of us who are not graphics programmers. Feel free to put it back with an explanation if this truly one of his more notable accomplishments. -- Cshay
Sorry about the improper inlining of my comments. As to the arcania, I really do think it clutters any article and makes it difficult to follow. As I said, you don't see the HS GPA or time of birth in other biographical articles. I'm not going to get in an edit war over it of course, but I edited boldly to make the article more focused, and more readable. This article IMHO should center around his groundbreaking role and his innovative inventions in the graphic programming space. There's alot of missing info about this that needs to go in this article. -- Cshay 20:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Seriously though, what's the signifigance of a HS GPA? There's no standardization across schools... here in CA everyone who has half a brain get a high GPA. Adults don't put a HS GPA in their resumes... it's that insignificant. Put it back if you will, but arcania explosion and the resulting loss of focus is one thing I dislike about Wikipedia in general. -- Cshay 21:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
You guys sound young. No one cares about HS GPA except maybe recent HS grads doing dick size comparisons. Any hiring manager can tell you that. Also as I said there are no standardization across schools. Yes some schools it is really hard to get a 4.0, other schools it does not. Focus on the his real achievements. Most software guys are brilliant and get good grades if they feel like it, but very few of them could have created DOOM. -- Cshay 20:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
A random factoid: According to this article, Carmack denies inventing the 0x5f3759df inverse square root approximation hack. And I suppose this wouldn't be the best possible article for that stuff anyway. =) -- wwwwolf ( barks/ growls) 02:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that the link to "Katherine Anna Kang" be changed from a redirect to "John Carmack" (her husband) to her own page (even if only a stub). She is a somewhat prominant figure in Machinima circles, running such events as the annual Machinimation Festival. She also worked for id for a while and runs Fountainhead Entertainment.
Before some suggests that I just do this myself, I'm a new wikipedian and don't know how to edit redirects, and am not really sure how to make a new page either. -- JBolla
Okay, created the article, Katherine Anna Kang. Take a look, enjoy. edit... — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed this section because it has very little to do with who Carmack is and his contributions to programming, 3D graphics and the video game industry in general. It's just a summary of an interview with him on the next-generation consoles which, last time I checked, id Software doesn't even develop for (their engines are for Microsoft Windows). If someone disagress, please discuss here:
— Frecklefoot | Talk 14:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed this section:
because it is unsourced and contains speculation. Where is the source for him programming such games? How do we know that because of the programs he become a game programmer? It's POV and unsourced and doesn't belong in the article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Looking around, I noticed a factual inconsistency with Shawnee Mission School District. This article states that he went to Raymond South, but that it is commonly believed that he went to Shawnee Mission East. The school district's article claims him as an alum. When I Googled him, most sources do say Shawnee Mission East, but of course that's not enough to make an edit. Does anyone have a trusted source on this information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.191.60 ( talk • contribs)
John DOES NOT appear in the 1894 edition of Polaris. John appears in the 1985 edition of Polaris on page 91 as a Freshman (9th grade). John DOES NOT appear in the 1986 edition of Polaris. John appears in the 1987 edition of Polaris on page 160 as a Junior (11th grade). John appears in the 1988 edition of Polaris (page unknown) as a Senior (12th grade). Note: the picture used was a blown up version of the 1987 picture.
Howlingmine ( talk) 01:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I thought it would be a good idea to separate personal information from "Other Items" so it now has "Personal" and "Other" separated. I have a good source that tells me the original information was incorrect so I replaced it with the correct information. I also deleted the detailed information about their son because this type of information is extremely invasive to the minor and it is not relevant to someone wanting to know information about John Carmack. 192.246.40.8 05:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Noticed he was listed as an American Atheist, could we get the reference listed, perhaps an article? -AtheistKingmcKingerson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.38.194.13 ( talk) 08:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Talk:John Carmack directs to this page, so I feel like it's appropriate to talk about it here. John Carmack currently disambigs between this and some church guy; Googling the other John Carmack's full name turns up more about the game programmer than the actual person I'm looking for. Looking at the article, the other Carmack doesn't seem notable at all. I'd really rather John Carmack go directly to the game programmers page; that is who people are looking for. Anyone agree? Chaos on the internet 04:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Carmack did end up porting Wolfenstein 3-D to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System himself. "Masters of Doom" pg. 133 states that Burger Bill, who was contracted by id, failed to deliver. id fired him, and Carmack did the port himself. Madman420 ( talk) 10:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to have both the 'gameography' list and the 'recognition' list to both be in reverse chronological order? When you're reading it, trying to track his history, it feels strange to first read his games, from latest to first, and then his achievements first to last. In my opinion, it breaks the flow of the article. I suggest reversing the chronological order og the 'recognition' list. Thoughts? -- Pinkopf ( talk) 15:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
For a while, this article stated that Carmack was located in Mesquite, Texas. Recently an anon user changed it to Heath, Texas. They stated that "appraisal records clearly state that he is located in Heath, Texas." I don't care where he really is, but we really need a ref for that fact. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
There would appear to be a number of prima facie characteristics indicating Asperger's Syndrome. Is any information on this available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.111.161 ( talk) 14:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Outside of Wikipedia I've never heard of the "D." and the "II" part of his name. What does "D." stand for? Are there any sources for this name (vs. just "John Carmack")?
The article says honored, not an Award (source unavailable), while the "Emmy" page that is linked to says award (but no source). Lots of sources say award but not sure if they are reliable.
[7]: “For the first time in our 59 year history, not all winners will be presented with an Emmy statuette at this year’s ceremony due to litigation with the Hollywood-based Academy of Television Arts & Sciences,” said Peter Price, President and CEO, National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. comp.arch ( talk) 13:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=John_D._Carmack&diff=599480270&oldid=594421174
I looked up the address, is in conflict with the Infobox? I do not care where he lives, just not sure how to read this (and he might have moved). On the other hand should we link to info that gives the address? Would it be illegal in (some other?) countries? And while it's (official) public information (ok then?), is it appropriate/notable and/or legal to include political information about a (non-political) person? What if he (are we sure it is he) has published his views on some message board as he seems to have done, is it then ok? Saw some general info (not Ron Paul or looked for that). comp.arch ( talk) 15:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
"Having ... no belief in luck, fate, karma, or god(s)" strictly speaking would not make him an atheist. Not having a belief in god(s), is not the same as believing that there are no god(s).
To quote the Wikipedia entry on Atheism: "In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities." To quote Carl Sagan: "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed."
Based on the provided quote, we can't determine whether he is an atheist or not. Unless of course so other article confirms it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.221.52 ( talk) 20:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
"Not having a belief in god(s), is not the same as believing that there are no god(s).". This is a true distinction, but irrelevant. You're talking about lacktheism vs atheism. It is either true or not true that a person is convinced god/s exist. That is a true dichotomy. If it is true that a person does not believe in any gods, then it is true they are atheists. There are no people for whom it is true that they do not have a belief in god, but do not also believe that there are no gods. This kind of non-atheist lacktheism only applies to babies and inanimate objects like rocks. If a person says they do not have a belief in gods, that person is what we all would call an atheist. They are absolutely not theists. "Negative" atheism is still atheism. "Weak" atheism is still atheism. "Soft" atheism is still atheism. [1] Volound ( talk) 08:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the initial is included in the article title? "John Carmack" redirects to "John D. Carmack" right now czar ♔ 23:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
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Along with John Romero, Carmack developed a port of Super Mario Bros 3. to PC, which he even offered to Nintendo. There are many resources on this subject, such as this: https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/14/10123754/john-romero-super-mario-bros-3-pc-demo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albs-br ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
John Carmack's Facebook about page now says he is separated. On 2021/10/05 he updated posts such as https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2146412825593223 to add "[edit: at-that-time]" when mentioning his wife. I couldn't find any other mention of his divorce anywhere on the web. Can someone update his "Spouse" information? Lumaras ( talk) 23:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Facebook page now shows 'divorced' [2] KeenAlloy ( talk) 19:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
John Carmack was pictured and tagged as "boyfriend" [3]
John Carmack was pictured and tagged as "beau" [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by User9878 ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
John Carmack posted a tweet on twitter stating he has divorced. He met his new girlfriend through the VR Beat Saber games he would Tweet. [5] [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by User9878 ( talk • contribs)
Yesterday I added details about Carmack's children, being unaware of this old discussion about limiting such information. While Carmack originally disclosed full details about his first son per the reference, some 2.5 years later he pruned it. Whether that makes for a stronger case in restraining said info on Wikipedia I don't know. But fast forward to around 2013 and beyond, dad is tweeting regularly about his oldest son's experiences with technology and programming, most relevantly his first and second video game, published under his own name at http://www.1k3c.com/ . I think that makes name and age/birth-date relevant to the wiki (although the game details themselves were understandably removed). Am I right/wrong?
From 2015 the youngest son is also featuring in dad's tweets, including photos. This photo from 2017 indicates his name is most probably Connor, at age 7. But with no video game connection, I figured this is not (yet) relevant and the source too vague anyway to include it. No source was provided at the time for his birth month/year, btw, but it matches the age difference confirmed by dad.
Another data point surrounded by some uncertainty is Carmack's date of marriage to Katherine Anna Kang. In the latter's article the date was pinpointed to January 5 but recently generalized again. The exact wording was "We are getting married next month, and honeymooning in Hawaii". This suggests the possibility of marrying in Texas first, then going out to Hawaii. But Masters of Doom (p.282, paperback ed.) writes: "They wed in Hawaii in front of a small crowd of family and friends." In Carmack's article the same Jan 5 was entered in May 2015, then expanded two months later to a wedding date of Jan 1 and ceremony in Hawaii on Jan 5. Neither edit was sourced, but they were by anons so we can't ask.
Only three years later Carmack reminisced about Steve Jobs and wrote: "he wanted me to do a keynote that happened to be scheduled on the same day as our wedding." That was January 5. So where did Jan 1 come from? If there's no source, then I propose to rewrite that part around the single wedding date of January 5. Xymph ( talk) 14:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
I highly recommend someone with rollback rights revert the page back to User:Pbrks's version on 26 January 2024. There may have been some minor legitimate contributions from there on, but due to the extensive scattering of vandalism, it'd be best to revert it to then. Further protecting the page is probably best too, as not to waste people's time. SchizoidNightmares ( talk) 22:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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We need to nail down his birthdate. A previous version said he was born in 1965. Which is it? Is there a source somewhere with this info? If not, I vote we just leave off his birthdate until we can verify it. Anyone else? — Frecklefoot 13:42 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
But it's entirely possible that he skipped a grade or two (or even *gasp* flunked a few). We need some source that gives an exact date. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:22, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
That A talented programmer with an entrepreneurial spirit comes from a pcgameworld.com article ( [5]). Can we come up with something a little less plagiaristic? Rick K 21:12, Aug 1, 2004 (UTC)
How much was the rocket prototype worth? 40,000 or 35.000$?-FredrikM
Made some substatial edits to get this page out of cleanup - removed quotes and sent them to Wikiquote, removed POV throughout, removed trivia, cleaned up some of the text. Nothing here was terrible, but that which I removed was unencyclopedic or POV. Anyone with problems or offended? Feel free to revert if I've stepped on anyone's toes too much, just let me know on my talk page. Hope this can now be out of cleanup. Niceguyjoey 01:47, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
"Many believe that he was the first to have used 0x5f3759df as the initial guess for finding the inverse square root of a number using Newton's method."... This is interesting, but has no explanation of why it is important for those of us who are not graphics programmers. Feel free to put it back with an explanation if this truly one of his more notable accomplishments. -- Cshay
Sorry about the improper inlining of my comments. As to the arcania, I really do think it clutters any article and makes it difficult to follow. As I said, you don't see the HS GPA or time of birth in other biographical articles. I'm not going to get in an edit war over it of course, but I edited boldly to make the article more focused, and more readable. This article IMHO should center around his groundbreaking role and his innovative inventions in the graphic programming space. There's alot of missing info about this that needs to go in this article. -- Cshay 20:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Seriously though, what's the signifigance of a HS GPA? There's no standardization across schools... here in CA everyone who has half a brain get a high GPA. Adults don't put a HS GPA in their resumes... it's that insignificant. Put it back if you will, but arcania explosion and the resulting loss of focus is one thing I dislike about Wikipedia in general. -- Cshay 21:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
You guys sound young. No one cares about HS GPA except maybe recent HS grads doing dick size comparisons. Any hiring manager can tell you that. Also as I said there are no standardization across schools. Yes some schools it is really hard to get a 4.0, other schools it does not. Focus on the his real achievements. Most software guys are brilliant and get good grades if they feel like it, but very few of them could have created DOOM. -- Cshay 20:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
A random factoid: According to this article, Carmack denies inventing the 0x5f3759df inverse square root approximation hack. And I suppose this wouldn't be the best possible article for that stuff anyway. =) -- wwwwolf ( barks/ growls) 02:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that the link to "Katherine Anna Kang" be changed from a redirect to "John Carmack" (her husband) to her own page (even if only a stub). She is a somewhat prominant figure in Machinima circles, running such events as the annual Machinimation Festival. She also worked for id for a while and runs Fountainhead Entertainment.
Before some suggests that I just do this myself, I'm a new wikipedian and don't know how to edit redirects, and am not really sure how to make a new page either. -- JBolla
Okay, created the article, Katherine Anna Kang. Take a look, enjoy. edit... — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I removed this section because it has very little to do with who Carmack is and his contributions to programming, 3D graphics and the video game industry in general. It's just a summary of an interview with him on the next-generation consoles which, last time I checked, id Software doesn't even develop for (their engines are for Microsoft Windows). If someone disagress, please discuss here:
— Frecklefoot | Talk 14:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I removed this section:
because it is unsourced and contains speculation. Where is the source for him programming such games? How do we know that because of the programs he become a game programmer? It's POV and unsourced and doesn't belong in the article. — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Looking around, I noticed a factual inconsistency with Shawnee Mission School District. This article states that he went to Raymond South, but that it is commonly believed that he went to Shawnee Mission East. The school district's article claims him as an alum. When I Googled him, most sources do say Shawnee Mission East, but of course that's not enough to make an edit. Does anyone have a trusted source on this information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.93.191.60 ( talk • contribs)
John DOES NOT appear in the 1894 edition of Polaris. John appears in the 1985 edition of Polaris on page 91 as a Freshman (9th grade). John DOES NOT appear in the 1986 edition of Polaris. John appears in the 1987 edition of Polaris on page 160 as a Junior (11th grade). John appears in the 1988 edition of Polaris (page unknown) as a Senior (12th grade). Note: the picture used was a blown up version of the 1987 picture.
Howlingmine ( talk) 01:16, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I thought it would be a good idea to separate personal information from "Other Items" so it now has "Personal" and "Other" separated. I have a good source that tells me the original information was incorrect so I replaced it with the correct information. I also deleted the detailed information about their son because this type of information is extremely invasive to the minor and it is not relevant to someone wanting to know information about John Carmack. 192.246.40.8 05:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Noticed he was listed as an American Atheist, could we get the reference listed, perhaps an article? -AtheistKingmcKingerson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.38.194.13 ( talk) 08:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Talk:John Carmack directs to this page, so I feel like it's appropriate to talk about it here. John Carmack currently disambigs between this and some church guy; Googling the other John Carmack's full name turns up more about the game programmer than the actual person I'm looking for. Looking at the article, the other Carmack doesn't seem notable at all. I'd really rather John Carmack go directly to the game programmers page; that is who people are looking for. Anyone agree? Chaos on the internet 04:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Carmack did end up porting Wolfenstein 3-D to the Super Nintendo Entertainment System himself. "Masters of Doom" pg. 133 states that Burger Bill, who was contracted by id, failed to deliver. id fired him, and Carmack did the port himself. Madman420 ( talk) 10:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to have both the 'gameography' list and the 'recognition' list to both be in reverse chronological order? When you're reading it, trying to track his history, it feels strange to first read his games, from latest to first, and then his achievements first to last. In my opinion, it breaks the flow of the article. I suggest reversing the chronological order og the 'recognition' list. Thoughts? -- Pinkopf ( talk) 15:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
For a while, this article stated that Carmack was located in Mesquite, Texas. Recently an anon user changed it to Heath, Texas. They stated that "appraisal records clearly state that he is located in Heath, Texas." I don't care where he really is, but we really need a ref for that fact. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
There would appear to be a number of prima facie characteristics indicating Asperger's Syndrome. Is any information on this available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.111.161 ( talk) 14:52, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Outside of Wikipedia I've never heard of the "D." and the "II" part of his name. What does "D." stand for? Are there any sources for this name (vs. just "John Carmack")?
The article says honored, not an Award (source unavailable), while the "Emmy" page that is linked to says award (but no source). Lots of sources say award but not sure if they are reliable.
[7]: “For the first time in our 59 year history, not all winners will be presented with an Emmy statuette at this year’s ceremony due to litigation with the Hollywood-based Academy of Television Arts & Sciences,” said Peter Price, President and CEO, National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences. comp.arch ( talk) 13:39, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=John_D._Carmack&diff=599480270&oldid=594421174
I looked up the address, is in conflict with the Infobox? I do not care where he lives, just not sure how to read this (and he might have moved). On the other hand should we link to info that gives the address? Would it be illegal in (some other?) countries? And while it's (official) public information (ok then?), is it appropriate/notable and/or legal to include political information about a (non-political) person? What if he (are we sure it is he) has published his views on some message board as he seems to have done, is it then ok? Saw some general info (not Ron Paul or looked for that). comp.arch ( talk) 15:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
"Having ... no belief in luck, fate, karma, or god(s)" strictly speaking would not make him an atheist. Not having a belief in god(s), is not the same as believing that there are no god(s).
To quote the Wikipedia entry on Atheism: "In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities." To quote Carl Sagan: "An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed."
Based on the provided quote, we can't determine whether he is an atheist or not. Unless of course so other article confirms it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.221.52 ( talk) 20:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
"Not having a belief in god(s), is not the same as believing that there are no god(s).". This is a true distinction, but irrelevant. You're talking about lacktheism vs atheism. It is either true or not true that a person is convinced god/s exist. That is a true dichotomy. If it is true that a person does not believe in any gods, then it is true they are atheists. There are no people for whom it is true that they do not have a belief in god, but do not also believe that there are no gods. This kind of non-atheist lacktheism only applies to babies and inanimate objects like rocks. If a person says they do not have a belief in gods, that person is what we all would call an atheist. They are absolutely not theists. "Negative" atheism is still atheism. "Weak" atheism is still atheism. "Soft" atheism is still atheism. [1] Volound ( talk) 08:31, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the initial is included in the article title? "John Carmack" redirects to "John D. Carmack" right now czar ♔ 23:15, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
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Along with John Romero, Carmack developed a port of Super Mario Bros 3. to PC, which he even offered to Nintendo. There are many resources on this subject, such as this: https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/14/10123754/john-romero-super-mario-bros-3-pc-demo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albs-br ( talk • contribs) 03:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
John Carmack's Facebook about page now says he is separated. On 2021/10/05 he updated posts such as https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2146412825593223 to add "[edit: at-that-time]" when mentioning his wife. I couldn't find any other mention of his divorce anywhere on the web. Can someone update his "Spouse" information? Lumaras ( talk) 23:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Facebook page now shows 'divorced' [2] KeenAlloy ( talk) 19:43, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
John Carmack was pictured and tagged as "boyfriend" [3]
John Carmack was pictured and tagged as "beau" [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by User9878 ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
John Carmack posted a tweet on twitter stating he has divorced. He met his new girlfriend through the VR Beat Saber games he would Tweet. [5] [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by User9878 ( talk • contribs)
Yesterday I added details about Carmack's children, being unaware of this old discussion about limiting such information. While Carmack originally disclosed full details about his first son per the reference, some 2.5 years later he pruned it. Whether that makes for a stronger case in restraining said info on Wikipedia I don't know. But fast forward to around 2013 and beyond, dad is tweeting regularly about his oldest son's experiences with technology and programming, most relevantly his first and second video game, published under his own name at http://www.1k3c.com/ . I think that makes name and age/birth-date relevant to the wiki (although the game details themselves were understandably removed). Am I right/wrong?
From 2015 the youngest son is also featuring in dad's tweets, including photos. This photo from 2017 indicates his name is most probably Connor, at age 7. But with no video game connection, I figured this is not (yet) relevant and the source too vague anyway to include it. No source was provided at the time for his birth month/year, btw, but it matches the age difference confirmed by dad.
Another data point surrounded by some uncertainty is Carmack's date of marriage to Katherine Anna Kang. In the latter's article the date was pinpointed to January 5 but recently generalized again. The exact wording was "We are getting married next month, and honeymooning in Hawaii". This suggests the possibility of marrying in Texas first, then going out to Hawaii. But Masters of Doom (p.282, paperback ed.) writes: "They wed in Hawaii in front of a small crowd of family and friends." In Carmack's article the same Jan 5 was entered in May 2015, then expanded two months later to a wedding date of Jan 1 and ceremony in Hawaii on Jan 5. Neither edit was sourced, but they were by anons so we can't ask.
Only three years later Carmack reminisced about Steve Jobs and wrote: "he wanted me to do a keynote that happened to be scheduled on the same day as our wedding." That was January 5. So where did Jan 1 come from? If there's no source, then I propose to rewrite that part around the single wedding date of January 5. Xymph ( talk) 14:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
I highly recommend someone with rollback rights revert the page back to User:Pbrks's version on 26 January 2024. There may have been some minor legitimate contributions from there on, but due to the extensive scattering of vandalism, it'd be best to revert it to then. Further protecting the page is probably best too, as not to waste people's time. SchizoidNightmares ( talk) 22:16, 19 February 2024 (UTC)