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Do we know why she has such a curious forename - and is the h pronounced or silent? 86.164.25.249 ( talk) 08:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
It is pronounced the same as "Joanne", I don't know if it's a Gaelic version. PatGallacher ( talk) 02:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Template:BLP sources is only applied where we have serious, contentious, ongoing disputes regarding bios of living people - no such dispute features either at Talk or in Edit summaries for this article. Further, the information regarding her being born in Anderston, and the primary school she attended, were on her own johann4leader website, which is now offline (johann4leader.org/bio/). However, this info is hardly "contentious"! Is anyone seriously contending that she wasn't born in Anderston, or did not attend that school? No. Thought not. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 11:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
On 21 December 2011 I removed the "Religion" field from the Infobox with the Edit summary: "rm | religion = Roman Catholic per WP:BLP - I have tried, and failed, to find a WP:RS for this; if one can be found, please re-add". A day later a single-edit ip address re-added it (unnoticed by me or seemingly anyone else, at the time). Now duly removed again, and it will stay removed until and unless somebody proves it a) to be true, and b) to be notable, per official policy WP:VERIFY. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 05:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I've found an article from The Daily Record which is apparently her first major interview after taking office. It has some interesting stuff in it that we could use, but but this version from thefreelibrary, and its corresponding HighBeam entry has some of the text missing, so I don't know whether we can use those versions as a reference. Does anyone have the original article from the Record? Paul MacDermott ( talk) 20:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I would be quite interested in expanding this if anyone can help. Ideally we should aim to get all articles about major political figures up to at least GA standard, and as leader of the the largest opposition party at Holyrood she is a potential future First Minister of Scotland. Considering her position this article is fairly short, and needs to be more informative. Currently there is a lot online about her recent political career, but very little concerning her early days as an MSP and her career pre-dating her entry into politics. If anyone can help there give me a shout. Meanwhile, I'll start sifting through the sources and put something together. I'll use Ed Miliband as a template. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 21:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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The SNP government favours forming a currency union with England in the event of a yes vote, something that Bank of England Governor Mark Carney suggested may result in Scotland having to give up some of its powers in return. [1] Lamont raised the issue at First Minister's Questions on 30 January 2014, but attracted criticism from the SNP and pro-independence campaigners after describing Salmond's vision of an independent Scotland as "a list of wee things we could do". [2] Salmond called her use of the phrase "an appalling error of judgement". [1]
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Her middle name given here is probably accurate, but I cannot find a clear source for this. A recent version of this article included a Gaelic version of her name, but it seemed problematic. It was just taken from a Scottish parliament Gaelic website, it did not include her middle name. I understand "Nic" means daughter in Gaelic, it does occur in some Gaelic names, but is adding this the normal Gaelicisation of Lamont (actually of Norse origin) and there could be something contradictory about adding this and not changing the "Mac" (son of) in her middle name. PatGallacher ( talk) 18:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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...That's all for now, I'll review more later.
I've just removed something added a week ago that describes her becoming a member of the National Committee of the National Organisation of Labour Students while she was at Jordanhill College, chiefly because none of the sources actually mention this. I almost didn't spot it, but as this is a BLP anything added needs to come from reliable sources. So as soon as we find one to support the statement then we can pop the information back in. Thanks. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 20:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Speaking shortly before the proposals were launched, Lamont said that Scotland should have "powers for a purpose" not "power for power’s sake", and suggested Labour's plans could "herald a new chapter in Scottish politics". [1]
Report's title, Powers for a Purpose. [2] This is an opinion piece. The phrase is reported widely, but whether it is the report's title is unclear.
She has described the process of her selection to run for the constituency of Glasgow Pollok as "a whole series of accidents". [3] I'm sure there's a place for this somewhere, but not certain exactly where at present.
On 25 February 2014, Lamont and Sturgeon took part in a referendum debate on STV's Scotland Tonight. [1] The discussion quickly descended into an argument in what The Herald's Rosemary Goring later described as "an unedifying spectacle where each tried to land a knock-out blow, and shouted over the other's answers". [2] Lesley Riddoch, writing in The Sunday Post said that the debate was a "shambles" because of its confrontational nature, and because presenter Rona Dougall was not an effective chair. [3]
In August 2014, Lamont helped to launch Women Saying No, a collection of essays by prominent Scottish women arguing for Scotland to stay in the UK. [4]
On 4 September 2014, Lamont told a Herald debate in Glasgow that she would support independence if the UK government moved to close the Scottish Parliament. [5]
Polls showed an increase in support for the Yes campaign as the referendum approached. On 8 September 2014, Gordon Brown set out plans for greater devolved powers for Holyrood in the event of a No vote. Lamont joined Ruth Davidson and Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie in giving her backing to the proposals the following day, but Salmond dismissed them as "a retreading, a repackaging, a re-timetabling" of previous promises. Prime Minister David Cameron and Opposition leader Ed Miliband cancelled their appearance at Prime Minister's Questions to travel to Scotland to campaign for a No vote. [6] On 18 September, Scotland voted to reject independence with a majority of 2,001,926 to 1,617,989. Salmond announced his resignation as First Minister in the wake of the result. Lamont paid tribute to Salmond, describing him as "an immense figure in Scottish political history". [7]
The referendum saw yes majorities in some Labour strongholds, particularly Greater Glasgow, prompting media speculation about Lamont's future as Labour leader. The Guardian's Libby Brooks notes that Labour's strategy during the referendum campaign received criticised for being unfocused, and that many of its supporters felt betrayed by the party's decision to campaign alongside the Conservatives. [8] Lamont told the first post-referendum session of First Minister's Questions that she intended to stay in the position: "When the First Minister is long gone I will still be doing my job on behalf of the people of Scotland." [9]
Miliband's spokespeople described Lamont as “an honourable woman" who "realised it was time for a change in Scotland". [1]
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We can't use the Daily Record here, per WP:BLPSOURCES. -- John ( talk) 10:24, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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Do we know why she has such a curious forename - and is the h pronounced or silent? 86.164.25.249 ( talk) 08:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
It is pronounced the same as "Joanne", I don't know if it's a Gaelic version. PatGallacher ( talk) 02:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Template:BLP sources is only applied where we have serious, contentious, ongoing disputes regarding bios of living people - no such dispute features either at Talk or in Edit summaries for this article. Further, the information regarding her being born in Anderston, and the primary school she attended, were on her own johann4leader website, which is now offline (johann4leader.org/bio/). However, this info is hardly "contentious"! Is anyone seriously contending that she wasn't born in Anderston, or did not attend that school? No. Thought not. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 11:05, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
On 21 December 2011 I removed the "Religion" field from the Infobox with the Edit summary: "rm | religion = Roman Catholic per WP:BLP - I have tried, and failed, to find a WP:RS for this; if one can be found, please re-add". A day later a single-edit ip address re-added it (unnoticed by me or seemingly anyone else, at the time). Now duly removed again, and it will stay removed until and unless somebody proves it a) to be true, and b) to be notable, per official policy WP:VERIFY. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 05:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I've found an article from The Daily Record which is apparently her first major interview after taking office. It has some interesting stuff in it that we could use, but but this version from thefreelibrary, and its corresponding HighBeam entry has some of the text missing, so I don't know whether we can use those versions as a reference. Does anyone have the original article from the Record? Paul MacDermott ( talk) 20:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I would be quite interested in expanding this if anyone can help. Ideally we should aim to get all articles about major political figures up to at least GA standard, and as leader of the the largest opposition party at Holyrood she is a potential future First Minister of Scotland. Considering her position this article is fairly short, and needs to be more informative. Currently there is a lot online about her recent political career, but very little concerning her early days as an MSP and her career pre-dating her entry into politics. If anyone can help there give me a shout. Meanwhile, I'll start sifting through the sources and put something together. I'll use Ed Miliband as a template. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 21:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Possible subjects to be covered in this section:
The SNP government favours forming a currency union with England in the event of a yes vote, something that Bank of England Governor Mark Carney suggested may result in Scotland having to give up some of its powers in return. [1] Lamont raised the issue at First Minister's Questions on 30 January 2014, but attracted criticism from the SNP and pro-independence campaigners after describing Salmond's vision of an independent Scotland as "a list of wee things we could do". [2] Salmond called her use of the phrase "an appalling error of judgement". [1]
References
Her middle name given here is probably accurate, but I cannot find a clear source for this. A recent version of this article included a Gaelic version of her name, but it seemed problematic. It was just taken from a Scottish parliament Gaelic website, it did not include her middle name. I understand "Nic" means daughter in Gaelic, it does occur in some Gaelic names, but is adding this the normal Gaelicisation of Lamont (actually of Norse origin) and there could be something contradictory about adding this and not changing the "Mac" (son of) in her middle name. PatGallacher ( talk) 18:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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I'll start this review today or tomorrow. -- Coemgenus ( talk) 15:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
...That's all for now, I'll review more later.
I've just removed something added a week ago that describes her becoming a member of the National Committee of the National Organisation of Labour Students while she was at Jordanhill College, chiefly because none of the sources actually mention this. I almost didn't spot it, but as this is a BLP anything added needs to come from reliable sources. So as soon as we find one to support the statement then we can pop the information back in. Thanks. Paul MacDermott ( talk) 20:09, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Speaking shortly before the proposals were launched, Lamont said that Scotland should have "powers for a purpose" not "power for power’s sake", and suggested Labour's plans could "herald a new chapter in Scottish politics". [1]
Report's title, Powers for a Purpose. [2] This is an opinion piece. The phrase is reported widely, but whether it is the report's title is unclear.
She has described the process of her selection to run for the constituency of Glasgow Pollok as "a whole series of accidents". [3] I'm sure there's a place for this somewhere, but not certain exactly where at present.
On 25 February 2014, Lamont and Sturgeon took part in a referendum debate on STV's Scotland Tonight. [1] The discussion quickly descended into an argument in what The Herald's Rosemary Goring later described as "an unedifying spectacle where each tried to land a knock-out blow, and shouted over the other's answers". [2] Lesley Riddoch, writing in The Sunday Post said that the debate was a "shambles" because of its confrontational nature, and because presenter Rona Dougall was not an effective chair. [3]
In August 2014, Lamont helped to launch Women Saying No, a collection of essays by prominent Scottish women arguing for Scotland to stay in the UK. [4]
On 4 September 2014, Lamont told a Herald debate in Glasgow that she would support independence if the UK government moved to close the Scottish Parliament. [5]
Polls showed an increase in support for the Yes campaign as the referendum approached. On 8 September 2014, Gordon Brown set out plans for greater devolved powers for Holyrood in the event of a No vote. Lamont joined Ruth Davidson and Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie in giving her backing to the proposals the following day, but Salmond dismissed them as "a retreading, a repackaging, a re-timetabling" of previous promises. Prime Minister David Cameron and Opposition leader Ed Miliband cancelled their appearance at Prime Minister's Questions to travel to Scotland to campaign for a No vote. [6] On 18 September, Scotland voted to reject independence with a majority of 2,001,926 to 1,617,989. Salmond announced his resignation as First Minister in the wake of the result. Lamont paid tribute to Salmond, describing him as "an immense figure in Scottish political history". [7]
The referendum saw yes majorities in some Labour strongholds, particularly Greater Glasgow, prompting media speculation about Lamont's future as Labour leader. The Guardian's Libby Brooks notes that Labour's strategy during the referendum campaign received criticised for being unfocused, and that many of its supporters felt betrayed by the party's decision to campaign alongside the Conservatives. [8] Lamont told the first post-referendum session of First Minister's Questions that she intended to stay in the position: "When the First Minister is long gone I will still be doing my job on behalf of the people of Scotland." [9]
Miliband's spokespeople described Lamont as “an honourable woman" who "realised it was time for a change in Scotland". [1]
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