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move(d) - re Wiki convention re royal consorts; plus see how her sisters are listed (all incorrectly anyway to my mind) Mowens35 19:58, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have redirected Joan Plantagenet, Queen of Scotland to this page, and placed all three biographies on this page. I now explain my reasons for doing so: 1. As per wikipedia's conventions for the naming of royal consorts: "Past Royal Consorts are referred to by their pre-marital name or pre-marital title, not by their consort name, as without an ordinal (which they lack) it is difficult to distinguish various consorts; eg, as there have been many queen consorts called Catherine, use Catherine of Aragon not Queen Catherine." All three Joans were born (legitimately or otherwise) into the English royal family and all three married foreign rulers.
2. The article "Joan Plantagenet, Queen of Scotland" violates wikipedia naming convention in two ways: firstly, it lists Joan as Queen of Scotland not as a Princess of England, as per above; and secondly, it gives her the surname "Plantagenet", a retroactively applied name that would never have been used during her own lifetime.
3. The third Joan, though illegitimate, was later legitimated by papal decree and as the consort of a reigning monarch she is at least as notable as her half-brother Richard Fitz Roy, who likewise has his own article. Missi 01:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I have converted the page to be more consistent with WP:MOSDAB. A question: are readers going to get to this page when they are looking for the last two Joan's (Wales and Tower)? Would they enter Joan of England for these? If yes, wouldn't the same be said of Joan of Kent?
I've also copied the Sicily project tag to Joan of England, Queen consort of Sicily. I'm not quite bold enough to delete it here. John (Jwy) 18:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
...and, there are several links to this page that should be disambiguated. I've started. Click "what links here" on the article page to see what articles need changing. I've started, but I'm not sure I will last to the end. John (Jwy) 19:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
...and, finally, Joan Plantagenet redirects here. Is there but one Joan Plantagenet or are there several. It seems at various points we have the following four claiming the name:
Is there "officially" only one, and if so, which. And if not, what is a good way to disambiguate them.
John (Jwy) 23:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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move(d) - re Wiki convention re royal consorts; plus see how her sisters are listed (all incorrectly anyway to my mind) Mowens35 19:58, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have redirected Joan Plantagenet, Queen of Scotland to this page, and placed all three biographies on this page. I now explain my reasons for doing so: 1. As per wikipedia's conventions for the naming of royal consorts: "Past Royal Consorts are referred to by their pre-marital name or pre-marital title, not by their consort name, as without an ordinal (which they lack) it is difficult to distinguish various consorts; eg, as there have been many queen consorts called Catherine, use Catherine of Aragon not Queen Catherine." All three Joans were born (legitimately or otherwise) into the English royal family and all three married foreign rulers.
2. The article "Joan Plantagenet, Queen of Scotland" violates wikipedia naming convention in two ways: firstly, it lists Joan as Queen of Scotland not as a Princess of England, as per above; and secondly, it gives her the surname "Plantagenet", a retroactively applied name that would never have been used during her own lifetime.
3. The third Joan, though illegitimate, was later legitimated by papal decree and as the consort of a reigning monarch she is at least as notable as her half-brother Richard Fitz Roy, who likewise has his own article. Missi 01:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I have converted the page to be more consistent with WP:MOSDAB. A question: are readers going to get to this page when they are looking for the last two Joan's (Wales and Tower)? Would they enter Joan of England for these? If yes, wouldn't the same be said of Joan of Kent?
I've also copied the Sicily project tag to Joan of England, Queen consort of Sicily. I'm not quite bold enough to delete it here. John (Jwy) 18:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
...and, there are several links to this page that should be disambiguated. I've started. Click "what links here" on the article page to see what articles need changing. I've started, but I'm not sure I will last to the end. John (Jwy) 19:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
...and, finally, Joan Plantagenet redirects here. Is there but one Joan Plantagenet or are there several. It seems at various points we have the following four claiming the name:
Is there "officially" only one, and if so, which. And if not, what is a good way to disambiguate them.
John (Jwy) 23:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)