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Question: Should add the NNDB link for Joan Sutherland. All of that data is already on our page. Just wondering.
http://www.nndb.com/people/674/000083425/
Answered my own question: Everyone else missed the IMDB stuff. The NNDB link does not intrude on the layout. Someone else can cut it if they want.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amorrow ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC+10 hours (AEST))
I note there is no mention of Although, she does say she's sorry for saying in public in 1994 that she was not pleased to be interviewed in an Australian post office by a Chinese or Indian to get an Australian passport. - the controversy is recalled more than a decade later in an ABC Profile - note the lead position for the reference to the controversial remarks. Should the remarks be noted? Where - none of the subheadings really fit?-- Golden Wattle talk 21:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Racism is racism ! Such disgusting attitudes should be exposed and pilloried for what they are. She has only expressed regret for uttering such heinous remarks 'in public'. Like most racists, these cowards use weasel words and scurry into dark corners to truly express their views. Leave the comment ALONE ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.81.186 ( talk) 01:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Whoever keeps removing the controversy section can just STOP IT. Face the facts that such antiquated and disgusting racist thinking is actually a crime, and until she publicly apologises for uttering and holding such thoughts and opinions (instead of just regretting making them 'in public'), all wikipedia readers should know that she is racist !Now go and hand out some electoral flyers in St. Marys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.81.186 ( talk) 15:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I have no hatred for Dame Joan. You will note that I do not touch any other section of her page as I do not wish to denigrate her achievements or talents. I merely wish for everyone to be aware of the truth. Whitewashing someones past does society no favours. The only protection that should go on at this page is with the controverst remarks put in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.81.186 ( talk) 13:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
What there needs to be (as explained to you elsewhere) is a third party source showing why it is notable. If all you have written above is correct, then there is a source saying so. Just stating it is so, and putting some media reporting an a single matter is WP:UNDUE, a violation of WP:NPOV. Feel free to add a source that states your assertions (it was strange, it has had writings about it a decade afters, it has had angry letters written) rather than engaging in original research. Shot info ( talk) 02:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it Russell (in the references)?
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I went through the article and I removed superlatives as I saw fit and removed opinionated words and conjecture, such as "perfect" et al. I did this for the integrity of the article, not as an attack on Dame Sutherland, who, as you can tell from my name, is my favorite soprano. Thanks for understanding. Sutherland4l ( talk) 06:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
There is evidence for this name – see this Google search. Nunquam Dormio ( talk) 07:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed that an anon user has, without explanation, removed a reference to Sutherland's vocal line being "mushy". I initially thought this should be reverted as a reliable source was given. However, on examining the text of the source, it actually says her diction was mushy - something quite different. I think therefore the removal of this misleading material in the lead was correct.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 12:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Work | Composer | Role | Date | House | Conductor | Director | Remarks |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Acis and Galatea | Handel | Galatea | June 1947 | house | conductor | director | Concert performance |
… | … | … | … | … | … | … | … |
Joan Sutherland appeared in the 1995 movie 'Dad and Dave: On Our Selection' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112775/ in the staring role of mother Rudd along with Leo McKern who stared as Dad Rudd
Other stars in the movie include Geoffrey Rush
Kind Regards Robert Karl Stonjek —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.167.129 ( talk) 12:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted this edit which added a lengthy quote from an anonymous article on a self-published website: basicfamouspeople.com
Voceditenore ( talk) 15:32, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Isn't this a touch OTT about LTBS: "an exceedingly difficult and demanding aria"? I mean she was actually a professional singer, wasn't she, and the soprano repertoire is, you know, quite wide ... this just sounds a bit wow gosh for an encyclopaedia. If you use language like this, then exactly how long is the list of Exceedingly Difficult and Demanding Arias? 100? 10? Or is LTBS unique in its er er difficult-and-demandingness? I think we're better without this. DBaK ( talk) 21:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
AWB wants to change "Temperentia" to "Temperantia", but I couldn't verify that. Art LaPella ( talk) 01:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Dame Joan was a tall woman. How tall? almost- instinct 09:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
In a string of three edits, User:Rms125a@hotmail.com removed parts of the article she/he deemed "POV, vandalism" and "tangled reflinks sorted".
Apparently, Rms125a@hotmail.com dislikes MOS:NBSP (see here), but edits consistent with Wikipedia guidelines must not be reverted.
The alledged POV statements were sourced; that Rms125a@hotmail.com doesn't like what a "respected biographer" (Rms' words) writes, is no reason for removal.
The attempt to have "tangled reflinks sorted" made matters worse: it resulted in a mix of in-line external links and footnotes. Rms' edits introduced italics for quotes, which is not consistent with WP:PUNCT and WP:MOSQUOTE.
I have reverted (see: WP:BRD) to this version by User:Calliopejen1, but incorporated some uncontroversial elements of later edits. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The sections "Roles" and "Recordings" overwhelm this article. I suggest to split these sections into one ("Roles and recordings of Joan Sutherland") or two separate articles. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
While it may seem odd to link the role of the people who spoke at Sutherland's memorial service, rather than their actual names, it seemed to me that it was the roles that were really notable. The fact that a trio of national leaders gave the addresses (the Prime Minister, the Governor-General and the Governor) was more notable even than the individuals themselves. That is why the roles are linked rather than the incumbents. It was only on second thoughts that I added the names of the incumbents, as I thought that when in the future people looked it the roles, they would not have to calculate who the relevant incumbents had been. Whiteghost. ink 10:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
What exactly do we mean when we say it was the audience that dubbed her "La Stupenda"? Surely they didn't all think of the name at the same time? I suppose we're saying some individual audience member called it out, others followed and hey presto, we have a new epithet.
But the version I've read somewhere is that it was a British journalist, whose name escapes me now, who first came up with the title in a widely-read article. The name soon caught on and audiences found themselves calling for her by this name. Does this ring a bell with anyone? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 11:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
????? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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I removed some of the more egregious peacock wording and added a couple of citation tags. There remains a huge number of assertions unsupported by sources. I don't think every fact needs sourcing, but there's a lot here that smacks of personal anecdote/opinion/criticism. Also fixed a sentence fragment and the time sequence around it. Sutherland was indeed a great figure in music, but I think just the facts will get that across.
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Question: Should add the NNDB link for Joan Sutherland. All of that data is already on our page. Just wondering.
http://www.nndb.com/people/674/000083425/
Answered my own question: Everyone else missed the IMDB stuff. The NNDB link does not intrude on the layout. Someone else can cut it if they want.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amorrow ( talk • contribs) 18:19, 8 August 2005 (UTC+10 hours (AEST))
I note there is no mention of Although, she does say she's sorry for saying in public in 1994 that she was not pleased to be interviewed in an Australian post office by a Chinese or Indian to get an Australian passport. - the controversy is recalled more than a decade later in an ABC Profile - note the lead position for the reference to the controversial remarks. Should the remarks be noted? Where - none of the subheadings really fit?-- Golden Wattle talk 21:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Racism is racism ! Such disgusting attitudes should be exposed and pilloried for what they are. She has only expressed regret for uttering such heinous remarks 'in public'. Like most racists, these cowards use weasel words and scurry into dark corners to truly express their views. Leave the comment ALONE ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.81.186 ( talk) 01:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Whoever keeps removing the controversy section can just STOP IT. Face the facts that such antiquated and disgusting racist thinking is actually a crime, and until she publicly apologises for uttering and holding such thoughts and opinions (instead of just regretting making them 'in public'), all wikipedia readers should know that she is racist !Now go and hand out some electoral flyers in St. Marys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.81.186 ( talk) 15:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I have no hatred for Dame Joan. You will note that I do not touch any other section of her page as I do not wish to denigrate her achievements or talents. I merely wish for everyone to be aware of the truth. Whitewashing someones past does society no favours. The only protection that should go on at this page is with the controverst remarks put in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.81.186 ( talk) 13:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
What there needs to be (as explained to you elsewhere) is a third party source showing why it is notable. If all you have written above is correct, then there is a source saying so. Just stating it is so, and putting some media reporting an a single matter is WP:UNDUE, a violation of WP:NPOV. Feel free to add a source that states your assertions (it was strange, it has had writings about it a decade afters, it has had angry letters written) rather than engaging in original research. Shot info ( talk) 02:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it Russell (in the references)?
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I went through the article and I removed superlatives as I saw fit and removed opinionated words and conjecture, such as "perfect" et al. I did this for the integrity of the article, not as an attack on Dame Sutherland, who, as you can tell from my name, is my favorite soprano. Thanks for understanding. Sutherland4l ( talk) 06:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
There is evidence for this name – see this Google search. Nunquam Dormio ( talk) 07:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed that an anon user has, without explanation, removed a reference to Sutherland's vocal line being "mushy". I initially thought this should be reverted as a reliable source was given. However, on examining the text of the source, it actually says her diction was mushy - something quite different. I think therefore the removal of this misleading material in the lead was correct.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 12:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Work | Composer | Role | Date | House | Conductor | Director | Remarks |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Acis and Galatea | Handel | Galatea | June 1947 | house | conductor | director | Concert performance |
… | … | … | … | … | … | … | … |
Joan Sutherland appeared in the 1995 movie 'Dad and Dave: On Our Selection' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112775/ in the staring role of mother Rudd along with Leo McKern who stared as Dad Rudd
Other stars in the movie include Geoffrey Rush
Kind Regards Robert Karl Stonjek —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.167.129 ( talk) 12:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I have reverted this edit which added a lengthy quote from an anonymous article on a self-published website: basicfamouspeople.com
Voceditenore ( talk) 15:32, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Isn't this a touch OTT about LTBS: "an exceedingly difficult and demanding aria"? I mean she was actually a professional singer, wasn't she, and the soprano repertoire is, you know, quite wide ... this just sounds a bit wow gosh for an encyclopaedia. If you use language like this, then exactly how long is the list of Exceedingly Difficult and Demanding Arias? 100? 10? Or is LTBS unique in its er er difficult-and-demandingness? I think we're better without this. DBaK ( talk) 21:21, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
AWB wants to change "Temperentia" to "Temperantia", but I couldn't verify that. Art LaPella ( talk) 01:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
Dame Joan was a tall woman. How tall? almost- instinct 09:17, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
In a string of three edits, User:Rms125a@hotmail.com removed parts of the article she/he deemed "POV, vandalism" and "tangled reflinks sorted".
Apparently, Rms125a@hotmail.com dislikes MOS:NBSP (see here), but edits consistent with Wikipedia guidelines must not be reverted.
The alledged POV statements were sourced; that Rms125a@hotmail.com doesn't like what a "respected biographer" (Rms' words) writes, is no reason for removal.
The attempt to have "tangled reflinks sorted" made matters worse: it resulted in a mix of in-line external links and footnotes. Rms' edits introduced italics for quotes, which is not consistent with WP:PUNCT and WP:MOSQUOTE.
I have reverted (see: WP:BRD) to this version by User:Calliopejen1, but incorporated some uncontroversial elements of later edits. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The sections "Roles" and "Recordings" overwhelm this article. I suggest to split these sections into one ("Roles and recordings of Joan Sutherland") or two separate articles. -- Michael Bednarek ( talk) 03:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
While it may seem odd to link the role of the people who spoke at Sutherland's memorial service, rather than their actual names, it seemed to me that it was the roles that were really notable. The fact that a trio of national leaders gave the addresses (the Prime Minister, the Governor-General and the Governor) was more notable even than the individuals themselves. That is why the roles are linked rather than the incumbents. It was only on second thoughts that I added the names of the incumbents, as I thought that when in the future people looked it the roles, they would not have to calculate who the relevant incumbents had been. Whiteghost. ink 10:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
What exactly do we mean when we say it was the audience that dubbed her "La Stupenda"? Surely they didn't all think of the name at the same time? I suppose we're saying some individual audience member called it out, others followed and hey presto, we have a new epithet.
But the version I've read somewhere is that it was a British journalist, whose name escapes me now, who first came up with the title in a widely-read article. The name soon caught on and audiences found themselves calling for her by this name. Does this ring a bell with anyone? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 11:29, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
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I removed some of the more egregious peacock wording and added a couple of citation tags. There remains a huge number of assertions unsupported by sources. I don't think every fact needs sourcing, but there's a lot here that smacks of personal anecdote/opinion/criticism. Also fixed a sentence fragment and the time sequence around it. Sutherland was indeed a great figure in music, but I think just the facts will get that across.