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Why is she titled LADY OF SNOWDON? Was that a title conferred upon her by her father? Also, wouldn't she be a Princess of England since she was legitimized by the Pope? Lskr ( talk) 06:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is she known as Lady of Wales instead of Princess of Wales, if her husband is Prince of Wales? Drachenfyre 08:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
In fact Joan, half sister of Henry III, was kept away from the eyes of the world at the royal home Garth Celyn, presumably to hide the fact that she was pregnant. History constantly repeats itself. An example: the son, Michael, born to Princess Margaret. The sister of the Queen of England was hidden from view during her pregnancy at Faenol Hall, near Bangor. BrynLlywelyn 10:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This sentence doesn't make sense, I have removed it for someone else to source and revise. SedatedGodzilla 02:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
In Welsh, Joan's name is written as "Siwan" because that was her real name , she was celtiv but the english call her joan"
The listing of Joan's mother as "Regina Clementina" may not mean "Queen Clemence" - particularly as there is no record of this woman Clemence and she certainly was not the Queen.
Clementia means mercy and also can be used to address someone e.g. "Clementia tua" means "Your Grace". This could mean "Her Grace the Queen".
She is not, however, a daughter of King John and Isabelle of Angouleme, so this does not solve the mystery of who her mother is, but it may be a valid alternative interpretation - only however if the word is clementia rather than clementina. Welys ( talk) 11:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Welys 29 May 08
History recounts that John Lackland "gave" Joan to Llywelyn the Great in 1205. At that time, Joan would have been about 15. Curiously, a number of family trees at Ancestry.com list Joan as having had a baby about a year or two earlier than that by the son of Lord Ralph de Albini. Could there be any truth to this? Might this be why John got her out of England 68.37.241.110 ( talk) 19:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC) BarryB
The article (and linked articles) suggests that WdeB was intended to be Joan's brother-in-law, not her son-in-law, so I have reverted the edit that described him as the latter. If this is incorrect, please explain the relationship here. RGCorris ( talk) 10:17, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
The date of birth is either 1191 or 1192. I see an inconsistency on this page (introduction and box). Versions in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese all use 1191.
ICE77 ( talk) 04:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
If that's the case the box must match the introduction. There must not be different. Then the articles in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese must be corrected as well.
ICE77 ( talk) 19:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
In this article, Llwelyn ap Lorwerth 'the Great' is described as the husband of Joan a.k.a. Siwan, 'Lady of Wales', 'Lady of Snowdon', Princess of Wales'; I was researching the 'ap' 'ab' and it has been suggested in one article different from the following, /info/en/?search=Welsh_surnames, that 'ap' is placed before a consanant, 'ab' before a vowel. When I click on the link from this article for Llwelyn ap Lorwerth, that article page reflects 'Llwelyn ab Lorwerth'. Why is this? 75.134.159.146 ( talk) 20:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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Why is she titled LADY OF SNOWDON? Was that a title conferred upon her by her father? Also, wouldn't she be a Princess of England since she was legitimized by the Pope? Lskr ( talk) 06:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is she known as Lady of Wales instead of Princess of Wales, if her husband is Prince of Wales? Drachenfyre 08:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
In fact Joan, half sister of Henry III, was kept away from the eyes of the world at the royal home Garth Celyn, presumably to hide the fact that she was pregnant. History constantly repeats itself. An example: the son, Michael, born to Princess Margaret. The sister of the Queen of England was hidden from view during her pregnancy at Faenol Hall, near Bangor. BrynLlywelyn 10:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
This sentence doesn't make sense, I have removed it for someone else to source and revise. SedatedGodzilla 02:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
In Welsh, Joan's name is written as "Siwan" because that was her real name , she was celtiv but the english call her joan"
The listing of Joan's mother as "Regina Clementina" may not mean "Queen Clemence" - particularly as there is no record of this woman Clemence and she certainly was not the Queen.
Clementia means mercy and also can be used to address someone e.g. "Clementia tua" means "Your Grace". This could mean "Her Grace the Queen".
She is not, however, a daughter of King John and Isabelle of Angouleme, so this does not solve the mystery of who her mother is, but it may be a valid alternative interpretation - only however if the word is clementia rather than clementina. Welys ( talk) 11:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Welys 29 May 08
History recounts that John Lackland "gave" Joan to Llywelyn the Great in 1205. At that time, Joan would have been about 15. Curiously, a number of family trees at Ancestry.com list Joan as having had a baby about a year or two earlier than that by the son of Lord Ralph de Albini. Could there be any truth to this? Might this be why John got her out of England 68.37.241.110 ( talk) 19:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC) BarryB
The article (and linked articles) suggests that WdeB was intended to be Joan's brother-in-law, not her son-in-law, so I have reverted the edit that described him as the latter. If this is incorrect, please explain the relationship here. RGCorris ( talk) 10:17, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
The date of birth is either 1191 or 1192. I see an inconsistency on this page (introduction and box). Versions in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese all use 1191.
ICE77 ( talk) 04:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
If that's the case the box must match the introduction. There must not be different. Then the articles in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese must be corrected as well.
ICE77 ( talk) 19:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
In this article, Llwelyn ap Lorwerth 'the Great' is described as the husband of Joan a.k.a. Siwan, 'Lady of Wales', 'Lady of Snowdon', Princess of Wales'; I was researching the 'ap' 'ab' and it has been suggested in one article different from the following, /info/en/?search=Welsh_surnames, that 'ap' is placed before a consanant, 'ab' before a vowel. When I click on the link from this article for Llwelyn ap Lorwerth, that article page reflects 'Llwelyn ab Lorwerth'. Why is this? 75.134.159.146 ( talk) 20:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)